Model
muda
Posts: 231
Riqqān, Adrār, Algeria
DO MODELS MAKE GOOD STRIPPERS???
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Carmen the MILF
Posts: 964
Sanford, North Carolina, US
Karol Helms wrote:
i have A cups and im 95lbs, whats wrong with that??  I went and looked....Not a Damn thing...wow!
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Andy Pearlman
Posts: 3411
Los Angeles, California, US
Greg Scott wrote:
thats my point, you said it yourself........... everyone you have ever SHOT, as in actually showed up and has a normal life. You found the ones that werent the majority, you found the nugget. Ask her about some of the girls she works with, enjoy. Hey, it might be different across the pond, never know. I'll have to go along with this too, and the part about the drama in their lives). I've known plenty of strippers in LA, FL and Vegas, and the biggest hurdle is actually getting them to believe you're legit (and I understand why that's a problem for them), with the second being giving them a reason to shoot with you. And I'm not talking about GWC stuff, I'm talking about a paying gig for getting published even in my relatively mild calendars. The reality is, for the fees I can pay (reasonable I think, and attractive to most models), I can't compete with what a top girl (which is what I would go after) at a top club in Vegas or FL will make in an evening (plus her sugar daddy?), so what's her incentive? With dancing, there's no printed record of what she's doing (especially if we do topless) like there is with photos, in case the folks back home don't know about her career (which is common in FL with the younger girls). So if you get one to call you, that's a big deal. If you can manage that hurdle, you might have an inside girl who will vouch for you, or better yet, scout for you, which makes subsequent girls at that club easier.
Now yes, once you get them to show up and in front of the camera, they're wonderful to work with, usually (assuming the dark lighting wasn't hiding some fatal flaw) and are usually uninhibited in from the camera (with or without clothes).
I'll tell you one true story... I met a girl dancing at a club in Vegas and struck up a conversation, and gave her my card. She was a bit tipsy and actually gave me her phone number, which I called the next day and of course, she didn't remember me at all. But she came over (I stay at a friends home in Vegas) to meet me - without an escort - and agreed to come back the next day for a shoot. My friend's wife is an excellent MUA and they have a pool, and we had a great shoot - swimsuit and topless (and the photos sold very well). We had a great personality when sober, and at some point she confessed to having a 16 year old daughter, but I must tell you, she looked hot in our pics. The kicker of the day was when she started being concerned about the time. It seems she'd left her boyfriend at home in handcuffs, and she wanted to check up on him, as she had left strict instructions that he was to clean the floor! Besides, she was getting horny and needed a guy, right now.... (not any of us though). Here's a shot of her at my friend's pool, about 10 years ago.
![https://www.apstudio.com/gg/Vegas.jpg]()
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45206
San Juan Bautista, California, US
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Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Womack Photo wrote:
Absolutely...
3 dancers in my port!!
The most difficult part is winning their trust. Be VERY business-like when approaching them, and don't think you are telling them anything they haven't already heard. Have a physical portfolio to show them first thing... Is is harder than winning the trust of some newbie 19 yr old fashion model ?... I have that down pretty well
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Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Karol Helms wrote:
Im a 'stripper' and i also model. I have never been a no call no show, or show up an hour late for any shoot! I guess it all depends on the individual. Ive met other models who were dancers who were fabulous models. But inn my experience, most dancers are flaky and unreliable and ALWAYS late. Just my two cents  I wish you lived closer
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Danger Ninja
Posts: 22238
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
They make great models. The model I've worked with the most is a stripper and all the others I've worked with have done good shoots. They have a lot of confidence and look good. Being that I'm in Portland, the strip club capital of the world, there really isn't a shortage of dancers wanting to branch out into modeling around here. 
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Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
kristenvictoria wrote:
NOT FOR NOTHING BUT YOU ARE SO WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS ....
IT DEPENDS ON THE GIRL HERSLEF..
plus dancers and strippers are 2 differnt things dancers work the higher class clubs and act with class and strippers work in skanky clubs and do extras ,,, theres a couple girls mixed in with both that arent but still...
as for bf thing some do some dont take shit from men ,, but most of them like women ,,,
as for offering on the job if ur legit we can usally tell.. we may or may not do it tho i have turned down pb. and vivd while feautres were at my work
as for being flaky so not ture when it comes to a shoot ...
work yes but its because...
ok we make 1200-2200 in a good night we dont wanna work the next day and we dont have to ... if your boss said u dont have to work and u had the money u needed and more would you?
yes we dont care for the money posing as much cause its next to nothing if u compare but if dancer wants to model too shell do it ..
as far as stripper thing yes ur right we do get mad ....
most the brusies come from working the pole to hard in invert flips and stuff Now , I am truelly confused
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Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Danger Ninja Production wrote:
They make great models. The model I've worked with the most is a stripper and all the others I've worked with have done good shoots. They have a lot of confidence and look good.
Being that I'm in Portland, the strip club capital of the world, there really isn't a shortage of dancers wanting to branch out into modeling around here. I had no idea Portland was the strip club capital of the world ...hmmm
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Harold Rose
Posts: 2925
Calhoun, Georgia, US
I did not find the initial question.. But yes strippers often make very good models.. But yes it is hard to get the stripper out of them... They are more shy than a regular model most of the time... I have the advantage of shooting publicity for several strip clubs in this part of the country... 6 clubs were owned by the same lady, and whenever a new act came in,, she insisted on new photos. and liked a lot of candids to post around the club.. The regular studio ad photos, but then we had our shooting according to what we wanted to do.. the dancers liked this for there was things they wanted, and did not have to pay for it.. We did a lot outdoors in the mountain streams. Yes most were good to work with, and after a short while became quite animated.. they loved the break (usually 4-6 weeks here)...
I just looked up at the negative file on the storage wall, and counted 100 different strippers, and there was not one that I would not welcome back
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Soft Light
Posts: 1787
Melbourne, Florida, US
This is an interesting thread because we produce a strip poker game...and yet in reality, none of our models are strippers (at least not that I know of...) lol
But I think what most have said is true. The really good strippers can earn far more in a day from stripping than they can from working as a model. Honestly, it may also be easier for a stripper to strip than to model...
What would be the incentive if the $$$ isn't there?
Regards,
SL
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photosbydmp
Posts: 3808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia
One of the most versatile models i ever working with was a stripper and a darn good one as she regularly pulled in 2k a shift in vegas, so yes they do.
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J C KUNSTFOTOGRAFIE
Posts: 2691
Los Angeles, California, US
Andy - you deserve a cigar for this expository essay!!! Andy Pearlman wrote:
I'll have to go along with this too, and the part about the drama in their lives). I've known plenty of strippers in LA, FL and Vegas, and the biggest hurdle is actually getting them to believe you're legit (and I understand why that's a problem for them), with the second being giving them a reason to shoot with you. And I'm not talking about GWC stuff, I'm talking about a paying gig for getting published even in my relatively mild calendars. The reality is, for the fees I can pay (reasonable I think, and attractive to most models), I can't compete with what a top girl (which is what I would go after) at a top club in Vegas or FL will make in an evening (plus her sugar daddy?), so what's her incentive? With dancing, there's no printed record of what she's doing (especially if we do topless) like there is with photos, in case the folks back home don't know about her career (which is common in FL with the younger girls). So if you get one to call you, that's a big deal. If you can manage that hurdle, you might have an inside girl who will vouch for you, or better yet, scout for you, which makes subsequent girls at that club easier.
Now yes, once you get them to show up and in front of the camera, they're wonderful to work with, usually (assuming the dark lighting wasn't hiding some fatal flaw) and are usually uninhibited in from the camera (with or without clothes).
I'll tell you one true story... I met a girl dancing at a club in Vegas and struck up a conversation, and gave her my card. She was a bit tipsy and actually gave me her phone number, which I called the next day and of course, she didn't remember me at all. But she came over (I stay at a friends home in Vegas) to meet me - without an escort - and agreed to come back the next day for a shoot. My friend's wife is an excellent MUA and they have a pool, and we had a great shoot - swimsuit and topless (and the photos sold very well). We had a great personality when sober, and at some point she confessed to having a 16 year old daughter, but I must tell you, she looked hot in our pics. The kicker of the day was when she started being concerned about the time. It seems she'd left her boyfriend at home in handcuffs, and she wanted to check up on him, as she had left strict instructions that he was to clean the floor! Besides, she was getting horny and needed a guy, right now.... (not any of us though). Here's a shot of her at my friend's pool, about 10 years ago.
![https://www.apstudio.com/gg/Vegas.jpg]() . . . or at least a totally nude couch dance from one of those "top girls", on the house of course!
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Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Soft Light wrote:
This is an interesting thread because we produce a strip poker game...and yet in reality, none of our models are strippers (at least not that I know of...) lol
But I think what most have said is true. The really good strippers can earn far more in a day from stripping than they can from working as a model. Honestly, it may also be easier for a stripper to strip than to model...
What would be the incentive if the $$$ isn't there?
Regards,
SL Good Question - cuz I really dont feel like paying
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Harold Rose
Posts: 2925
Calhoun, Georgia, US
Garry k wrote:
Now , I am truelly confused I made a reply elsewhere to me the dancers were club cancers. The strippers were feature dancers that put on a show 2 to 3 times a night. You would probably not have phtographed the Features, but I had a contract to do so for the club owners.. I did also photograph the club dancers and we ran a flow of pictures behind the stage.. this is a whole different story.
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T I A
Posts: 14
Clearwater, Florida, US
F Stop Photography wrote:
those I've worked with have been just fine and dandy. a few you have to work a bit with to get that "ultra vixen" look off their face, if that's a look you're not trying to achieve. still. they KNOW the power of using their eyes, and that frequently makes for a good shot! I'm a dancer and I got some comments on my eyes, lol
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Mgaphoto
Posts: 4982
San Diego, California, US
This is like asking if a bank teller or a receptionist would make a good model.. what is the difference what they do? Ant
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KGToops Photography
Posts: 2439
Treasure Island, Florida, US
there called "dancers " damn it
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Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
ANT_ Yes Ive been noticing how well those bank tellers have been posing for me lately ..they seem to always know which is their best side , keeping their chin up , shoulders back etc .. and when they start counting out those 1oo dollar bills for me - sometimes they even give me a sexy pout ....
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Harold Rose
Posts: 2925
Calhoun, Georgia, US
Tre Brown wrote:
DO MODELS MAKE GOOD STRIPPERS??? Usually no.
Model
Anne-Marie R
Posts: 765
San Antonio, Texas, US
Depends on what you're shooting....
One stripper I saw had saggy boobs.
Another stripper I saw was kinda chunky.
But most are fairly decent-looking.
There's a magazine that is circulated in strip clubs where I live where they do feature a stripper in each issue, and the pictures I've seen are fairly decent.
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Marvin Dockery
Posts: 2243
Alcoa, Tennessee, US
Leggy Mountbatten wrote:
In my experience, no. They tend to want to go into their dance routine poses. It sometimes takes a shoot or two to get away from the stripper poses. Most want paid shoots, but that is better for me.
Model
Mz Machina
Posts: 1754
Chicago, Illinois, US
Garry k wrote:
Since starting Photography approx 7 years ago Ive pretty well exclusively shot Fashion and Fashion MOdels ( in addition to music ) but as of recent Ive decided to branch out and do more nude work ...of course mainy fashion models have little interest in this genre ( in my experience ) so I am contemplating other sources ... I have been a dancer since three, and a stripper as well as an occasional dayjobber for 16 years....
Peek a look at my website ( my port is limitted) and see... granted not all strippers make good models...
and not all people with a good camera make good photographers.
It takes more than movement to dance... etc etc
Strippers are people too.. LOL
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Mz Machina
Posts: 1754
Chicago, Illinois, US
KGToops Photography wrote:
there called "dancers " damn it I prefer the term peeler when i am stripping , thank you....
Model
Mz Machina
Posts: 1754
Chicago, Illinois, US
Tre Brown wrote:
DO MODELS MAKE GOOD STRIPPERS??? Rarely.
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Alluring Exposures
Posts: 11400
Casa Grande, Arizona, US
Some do. Some don't. Some do great with one photographer and not so good with another.
Just like any other model :-)
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Alluring Exposures
Posts: 11400
Casa Grande, Arizona, US
That's because you're very appealing when you're stripping... and when you're not! :-D LuxxxNoir wrote:
I prefer the term peeler when i am stripping , thank you....
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Colin Talcroft
Posts: 1078
Santa Rosa, California, US
The have in my experience.
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Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28657
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Tre Brown wrote:
DO MODELS MAKE GOOD STRIPPERS??? Imagine that. A strip club full of hand bras & implied nude only girls..
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Kazmere Photography
Posts: 944
Jacksonville, Florida, US
Garry k wrote:
Since starting Photography approx 7 years ago Ive pretty well exclusively shot Fashion and Fashion MOdels ( in addition to music ) but as of recent Ive decided to branch out and do more nude work ...of course mainy fashion models have little interest in this genre ( in my experience ) so I am contemplating other sources ... What most have said already is true, most strippers love having their picture taken, can give you the sex look, and blah blah blah...But please beware if they have a SLUGGO, and make sure you both are on the same page in WRITING! I've dealt with one and they weren't given permission to sell the images for profit, which they did where most of my buddies go and know my work...So cover your ass...Thankfully and for profit, my lawyer covers my ass for me:)
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jstill
Posts: 44
Martinsburg, West Virginia, US
Model
Constance Ruiz
Posts: 1576
Beaufort, North Carolina, US
hmmm well i am not the best model in the world...i dont post alot of my work on here due to the more adult content of it, but i can say that ive been doing this for a while and when i show up i know how to pose, the photographers always love me, and ive gotten alot of great feedback.
i am a tour dancer....meaning i feature at alot of clubs....and i used to be a normal dancer.....until i was selected for feature acts...i also teach lapdancing to newbies...the club pays me for my time...and i give belly dancing classes and pole dancing classes.
i can honestly say that some of the more professional dancers that tour like i do, would make amazing models, and some already are...but alot of the regular dancers are money grubbing whores who for an extra 20 bucks will suck you off in the back room.
they often dont show up, are late and unreliable and usually have very poorly drawn on eyebrows.
seriously. some are amazing some are horrid. just make sure you choose carefully if you decide to work with one. they are not all the same.
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3PPhotos
Posts: 571
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
My two cents worth; most definitely. Just did a quick headcount and I recall at least 8 different entertainers that I have worked with in the last couple years. They obviously had varying degrees of experience, but as a group, they were without exception; always prompt, always had a great wardrobe, always had a great attitude, and always made for an enjoyable (yet professional) shoot! In fact, I still stay in touch with several of them; just haven't had a chance to shoot with any of them lately because none are local. (time to meet some more, I guess)!
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Constance Ruiz
Posts: 1576
Beaufort, North Carolina, US
and for those of you saying they wont work in the morning....if you pick a great gal who really wants to shoot she will use common sense and not work the night before ...
most my shoots start around 8 in the morning.....so by the time i get ready and get my husbands breakfast made and get him to work....i end up getting up at like 4 AM to get everything done and travel to the shoot.
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Alluring Exposures
Posts: 11400
Casa Grande, Arizona, US
You may not be the best model in the world, but given the chance I'd work with you in a hearbeat! Matter of fact... who has time to wait for a hearbeat!!! Constance Ruiz wrote:
hmmm well i am not the best model in the world...i dont post alot of my work on here due to the more adult content of it, but i can say that ive been doing this for a while and when i show up i know how to pose, the photographers always love me, and ive gotten alot of great feedback.
i am a tour dancer....meaning i feature at alot of clubs....and i used to be a normal dancer.....until i was selected for feature acts...i also teach lapdancing to newbies...the club pays me for my time...and i give belly dancing classes and pole dancing classes.
i can honestly say that some of the more professional dancers that tour like i do, would make amazing models, and some already are...but alot of the regular dancers are money grubbing whores who for an extra 20 bucks will suck you off in the back room.
they often dont show up, are late and unreliable and usually have very poorly drawn on eyebrows.
seriously. some are amazing some are horrid. just make sure you choose carefully if you decide to work with one. they are not all the same.
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Mike Roberts
Posts: 1060
Sheridan, Wyoming, US
Karol Helms wrote:
i have A cups and im 95lbs, whats wrong with that?? You have a wonderfully-proportioned, superbly-conditioned body and a face to go with it. I would work with you any time.
Model
Miss KH
Posts: 27
Charlotte, North Carolina, US
Soft Light wrote:
This is an interesting thread because we produce a strip poker game...and yet in reality, none of our models are strippers (at least not that I know of...) lol
But I think what most have said is true. The really good strippers can earn far more in a day from stripping than they can from working as a model. Honestly, it may also be easier for a stripper to strip than to model...
What would be the incentive if the $$$ isn't there?
Regards,
SL Granted 'stripping' your clothes off is not hard to do, but by no means is being a dancer easier than modeling. Imagine dancing and walking around in 7 inch platform stilletos for 6-7 hours (sometimes more) while having to go on stage 10 times or more a night, plus doing nonstop dances from the time you get there until close.
Dancing for me is like a 7 hour work out. Especially for the ladies who do demanding stage and pole work. Heres a link to one of my performances if your curious as to the athleticism that CAN go into being a dancer. (no nudity, just me practicing at home)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVvb7wW7Xiw
Not to say that modeling isnt hard work either, because it IS!! Its just as demanding, just not in the same way as exotic dancing.
My incentive for modeling is just the joy of having another creative outlet. In my 4 year modeling 'career' I have to say that about 2/3 of the shoots ive done have been TFP.
Sadly alot that has been said in this thread is true. The majority of strippers are money grubbing, manipulative, and flaky.
Im a rare and dying breed. lol
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Miss KH
Posts: 27
Charlotte, North Carolina, US
LuxxxNoir wrote:
I prefer the term peeler when i am stripping , thank you.... I always liked the term 'naked beggars'
hahahhaha!
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Miss KH
Posts: 27
Charlotte, North Carolina, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Imagine that. A strip club full of hand bras & implied nude only girls.. LMAO handbra's
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