Karol Helms wrote:
Im a 'stripper' and i also model.  I have never been a no call no show, or show up an hour late for any shoot!  I guess it all depends on the individual.  Ive met other models who were dancers who were fabulous models.  But inn my experience, most dancers are flaky and unreliable and ALWAYS late.  Just my two cents

I don't think you can paint any segment with a broad brush. I have photographed some secretaries who were great models and some who weren't. The same with waitresses and sales people.

But one thing I can say for certain is that Karol is AWESOME!

Karol Helms wrote:

i have A cups and im 95lbs, whats wrong with that?? 

oh no i didnt mean there was anything wrong with that i ment so can only do glamour some can do more im sorry lol didnt mean it like that

Karol Helms wrote:

i have A cups and im 95lbs, whats wrong with that?? 

Abso-freaking-lutely not a thing :-D

kristenvictoria wrote:

oh no i didnt mean there was anything wrong with that i ment so can only do glamour some can do more im sorry lol didnt mean it like that

ok!  I couldnt tell what you meant from the way your sentence was worded. 

Karol Helms wrote:

ok!  I couldnt tell what you meant from the way your sentence was worded. 

im sorry doll

Garry k wrote:
Do Strippers Make Good Models ?  ...

My point of view hell no !  I can only speak for my area. I have had a few asking me about a shoot and not one of them were worth my time. But like I said this is just my view of the strippers in my area. They are not beautiful and they can't pose to save there lives.

And the long post above mine is right in every way ...

Greg Scott wrote:
reality time.....  (and im at work, grab a soda for this one, im bored. And I speak on this because I literally watched my best friend for 20 years go thru this. I will say this, at first, it was a blast because his stripper girlfriend would bring ALL her friends over... can you say all of us in a pile at 4am!!  but thats only at first).....................................
.....................For the record, Ill work with a stripper if im getting paid too. Otherwise, you have better luck, less drama, less omgwtf, and better results just approaching a wonderful looking lady having a coffee.

WOW!! Every dancer/stripper I have shot has been married or in a perfectly 'normal' relationship.Maybe UK dancers are more settled??
:-)

Greg Scott wrote:
reality time.....  (and im at work, grab a soda for this one, im bored. And I speak on this because I literally watched my best friend for 20 years go thru this. I will say this, at first, it was a blast because his stripper girlfriend would bring ALL her friends over... can you say all of us in a pile at 4am!!  but thats only at first)

the majority of "dancers" (call them strippers, they get insulted, you get knifed!!), when approached, flat out wont do it if you ask them while on the job. They will smile, tell you "oh that would be great!!!!!" you give them a card.... dont hold your breath. And to be honest, I dont blame the girls for acting like that, think about it, they get every come on line, and angle thrown at them daily, 100 times an hour and %99.99999 of it is always bs, so, they have to be jaded to "job" offers because everyone of the "jobs" involves her riding you into the ground in her mind because thats what %99.99999 of them actually DO mean!!  That being said, the more upscale places have their dancers on the walls but you have to have an "in" or catch it just right to get that job.

But wanting to use them for your ideas and projects.... strippers are some of the flakiest, most unreliable people on the planet. Why do you think most clubs charge her to come to work? You think we overbook on here? Ask a club manager how much he over books!!!

Self-esteem and strippers. Myth. Majority of them have NO self esteem. To us non-strippers, it would seem you had to have self confidence out the ass to parade around nude in front of people. Thats us. Most stripper have major, MAJOR issues, and I literally havent met any but a small handful, that can work without the benefit of some type of substance. Its not hard to parade around naked when your wasted, we all have prob done it then too.

Then add to that issue, they either have "the biggest piece of shit in the world for a boyfriend sitting on his ass and living off them" deal, or have "a sugar daddy" that forks over $$$$ a month to support her, both of which think they owner her because they actually do in reality.... be prepared for drama either way. 

How do I mean that? You actually get one to work for you. First time, np (maybe) Second time, np (hopefully). Next thing you know, you are in their world, and hell if i know where that reality is! She will one day show up with a black eye, or saying she had one, where POS boyfriend beat her because the phone got shut off and they were both drunk and had an arguement (ever notice they have enough money to get wasted every night, nails done, hair, but never can have a phone in their name?) and she just needs someone to talk to.... you are now a mark for her.............. until.... pos boyfriend takes her back for the 51st time and she shits all over you because things will be different this time.... thats if your lucky. Other side, she drags you in between her and pos boyfriend/daddy to be her defender of truth and justice and while you're being stalked, "could she stay with you, just for a day or 2 until her girlfriends bitch roomate moves out?" (5 days later, shes gone, half your shit might be as well!).

And here is the best part. They are making $200 to $1000 a night and are always broke as hell. They always need money. Could you loan me $500, ill pay you right back! Want to get rid of a stipper, "loan" her some money then ask for it back more than once, dont let it go, she will be GONE and now your the messed up guy to her. Want to keep her around? Play her "sugar daddy" or treat her like the biggest piece of shit on the planet, she will never leave.

Now saying the above, this is a true representation of the majority of local girls at the local clubs that have been dancing for more than 30 days, even the bigger ones, the term is "house dancer".  Alot of the professional tour dancers have most of their act together, kinda, but most of the time, the only reason their act IS together "or so it seems" is because its not hard to have a phone in your own name when your making 30k a month.   I have known 2 ladies that danced, that actually did something with their lives and their money. Both retired before 30. Neither had to have "help" to dance, neither had some pos boyfriend living off them, neither had a sugar daddy supporting them, they treated it like a job, a fun job, but a job, and both were very well adjust people. They are a tiny minority....

Now, I can already hear the keyboards firing up of the dancers on here that might see this, about to "set me straight". Bring it, if your not the above, you are the .00001% thats not messed up because even you can NOT deny the above as truth for the majority of girls..........or your one of those girls and your pulling the stripper hustling card out and lying like hell and you probably dont know it!!

For the record, Ill work with a stripper if im getting paid too. Otherwise, you have better luck, less drama, less omgwtf, and better results just approaching a wonderful looking lady having a coffee.

dude... you're in Oklahoma

the quality of strippers goes up significantly once you make it out to either of the coasts... you will be surprised at the quality of the strippers here in NY, and a big chunk of them model part-time...

i've only shot a couple of them so far, but both have been pretty good models... they showed on time, and had an advantage of knowing how to look "flirty"... since this is the type of style i shoot, they worked out great...

DRIVE-BY SHOOTING  wrote:

WOW!! Every dancer/stripper I have shot has been married or in a perfectly 'normal' relationship.Maybe UK dancers are more settled??
:-)

thats my point, you said it yourself........... everyone you have ever SHOT, as in actually showed up and has a normal life. You found the ones that werent the majority, you found the nugget. Ask her about some of the girls she works with, enjoy. Hey, it might be different across the pond, never know.

Karol Helms wrote:

i have A cups and im 95lbs, whats wrong with that?? 

Your 95 pounds?
I wanna be that skinny again.
I think I weight 110 from having Mischa.

PashaPhoto wrote:

dude... you're in Oklahoma

the quality of strippers goes up significantly once you make it out to either of the coasts... you will be surprised at the quality of the strippers here in NY, and a big chunk of them model part-time...

i've only shot a couple of them so far, but both have been pretty good models... they showed on time, and had an advantage of knowing how to look "flirty"... since this is the type of style i shoot, they worked out great...

%100 true. I think its more of a mid-west mentality. Chicago, Illinoise, Missouri, Texas, Arkansas, Memphis, a few in Colorado. What I typed, you can see it. lol  but I am willing to bet you real money, you ask your girls that dance about what I typed above, not 1 of them will say, I have never heard of that, and ever single one of them will say OMG there was/is this 1 girl and shes a train-wreck and here comes the story of wacky time. And at first its just this 1 girl out of 20-30 working at their club, then you get them talking more, its that 1 girl, and this one she does, and that one did, and next thing you know, shes talked about majority of the girls and your laughing in dis-belief. 

(all the states above, have friends all over the place and when we used to travel all the time, thats just what we did, go to the strip club)

Robin Thomas wrote:

Your 95 pounds?
I wanna be that skinny again.
I think I weight 110 from having Mischa.

oh no, a whole 110??!!  Weight is just a number.  Its about being healthy, not skinny.

And 110 is by no means fat.

Greg Scott wrote:
reality time.....  (and im at work, grab a soda for this one, im bored. And I speak on this because I literally watched my best friend for 20 years go thru this. I will say this, at first, it was a blast because his stripper girlfriend would bring ALL her friends over... can you say all of us in a pile at 4am!!  but thats only at first)

the majority of "dancers" (call them strippers, they get insulted, you get knifed!!), when approached, flat out wont do it if you ask them while on the job. They will smile, tell you "oh that would be great!!!!!" you give them a card.... dont hold your breath. And to be honest, I dont blame the girls for acting like that, think about it, they get every come on line, and angle thrown at them daily, 100 times an hour and %99.99999 of it is always bs, so, they have to be jaded to "job" offers because everyone of the "jobs" involves her riding you into the ground in her mind because thats what %99.99999 of them actually DO mean!!  That being said, the more upscale places have their dancers on the walls but you have to have an "in" or catch it just right to get that job.

But wanting to use them for your ideas and projects.... strippers are some of the flakiest, most unreliable people on the planet. Why do you think most clubs charge her to come to work? You think we overbook on here? Ask a club manager how much he over books!!!

Self-esteem and strippers. Myth. Majority of them have NO self esteem. To us non-strippers, it would seem you had to have self confidence out the ass to parade around nude in front of people. Thats us. Most stripper have major, MAJOR issues, and I literally havent met any but a small handful, that can work without the benefit of some type of substance. Its not hard to parade around naked when your wasted, we all have prob done it then too.

Then add to that issue, they either have "the biggest piece of shit in the world for a boyfriend sitting on his ass and living off them" deal, or have "a sugar daddy" that forks over $$$$ a month to support her, both of which think they owner her because they actually do in reality.... be prepared for drama either way. 

How do I mean that? You actually get one to work for you. First time, np (maybe) Second time, np (hopefully). Next thing you know, you are in their world, and hell if i know where that reality is! She will one day show up with a black eye, or saying she had one, where POS boyfriend beat her because the phone got shut off and they were both drunk and had an arguement (ever notice they have enough money to get wasted every night, nails done, hair, but never can have a phone in their name?) and she just needs someone to talk to.... you are now a mark for her.............. until.... pos boyfriend takes her back for the 51st time and she shits all over you because things will be different this time.... thats if your lucky. Other side, she drags you in between her and pos boyfriend/daddy to be her defender of truth and justice and while you're being stalked, "could she stay with you, just for a day or 2 until her girlfriends bitch roomate moves out?" (5 days later, shes gone, half your shit might be as well!).

And here is the best part. They are making $200 to $1000 a night and are always broke as hell. They always need money. Could you loan me $500, ill pay you right back! Want to get rid of a stipper, "loan" her some money then ask for it back more than once, dont let it go, she will be GONE and now your the messed up guy to her. Want to keep her around? Play her "sugar daddy" or treat her like the biggest piece of shit on the planet, she will never leave.

Now saying the above, this is a true representation of the majority of local girls at the local clubs that have been dancing for more than 30 days, even the bigger ones, the term is "house dancer".  Alot of the professional tour dancers have most of their act together, kinda, but most of the time, the only reason their act IS together "or so it seems" is because its not hard to have a phone in your own name when your making 30k a month.   I have known 2 ladies that danced, that actually did something with their lives and their money. Both retired before 30. Neither had to have "help" to dance, neither had some pos boyfriend living off them, neither had a sugar daddy supporting them, they treated it like a job, a fun job, but a job, and both were very well adjust people. They are a tiny minority....

Now, I can already hear the keyboards firing up of the dancers on here that might see this, about to "set me straight". Bring it, if your not the above, you are the .00001% thats not messed up because even you can NOT deny the above as truth for the majority of girls..........or your one of those girls and your pulling the stripper hustling card out and lying like hell and you probably dont know it!!

For the record, Ill work with a stripper if im getting paid too. Otherwise, you have better luck, less drama, less omgwtf, and better results just approaching a wonderful looking lady having a coffee.

NOT FOR NOTHING BUT YOU ARE SO WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS ....
IT DEPENDS ON THE GIRL HERSLEF..
plus dancers and strippers are 2 differnt things dancers work the higher class clubs and act with class and strippers work in skanky clubs and do extras ,,, theres a couple girls mixed in with both that arent but still...
as for bf thing some do some dont take shit from men ,, but most of them like women ,,,
as for offering on the job if ur legit we can usally tell.. we may or may not do it tho i have turned down pb. and vivd  while feautres were at my work
as for being flaky so not ture  when it comes to a shoot ...
work yes but its because...
ok we make 1200-2200  in a good night we dont wanna work the next day and we dont have to ... if  your boss said u dont have to work  and u had the money u needed and more would you?
yes we dont care for the money posing  as much cause its next to nothing  if u compare  but if dancer wants to model too shell do it ..
as far as stripper thing yes ur right we do get mad ....
most the brusies come from working the pole to hard in invert flips and stuff

dude... you're in Oklahoma

the quality of strippers goes up significantly once you make it out to either of the coasts... you will be surprised at the quality of the strippers here in NY, and a big chunk of them model part-time...

i've only shot a couple of them so far, but both have been pretty good models... they showed on time, and had an advantage of knowing how to look "flirty"... since this is the type of style i shoot, they worked out great...

sooo ture haha i worked the nyc and 1 queens club .. well and couple in fl too

Greg Scott wrote:

thats my point, you said it yourself........... everyone you have ever SHOT, as in actually showed up and has a normal life. You found the ones that werent the majority, you found the nugget. Ask her about some of the girls she works with, enjoy. Hey, it might be different across the pond, never know.

im married and have a kid  most of us have normal lives and no all dancers dont do drugs ethier

Karol Helms wrote:
Im a 'stripper' and i also model.  I have never been a no call no show, or show up an hour late for any shoot!  I guess it all depends on the individual.  Ive met other models who were dancers who were fabulous models.  But inn my experience, most dancers are flaky and unreliable and ALWAYS late.  Just my two cents

You're stunning!!!

kristenvictoria wrote:

im married and have a kid  most of us have normal lives and no all dancers dont do drugs ethier

i notice you keep saying most alot.. your going to tell me that the above is a fallacy? you have NEVER seen anything like that? Again, ill bet you money, you have not only seen that, you have seen alot of that. Never said all were, but a damn lot are, and you know it

Greg Scott wrote:

i notice you keep saying most alot.. your going to tell me that the above is a fallacy? you have NEVER seen anything like that? Again, ill bet you money, you have not only seen that, you have seen alot of that. Never said all were, but a damn lot are, and you know it

no not alot , cause they usally dont get to work in high end clubs they probally get fored to fast for me to see them lol

Karol Helms wrote:
Im a 'stripper' and i also model.  I have never been a no call no show, or show up an hour late for any shoot!  I guess it all depends on the individual.  Ive met other models who were dancers who were fabulous models.  But inn my experience, most dancers are flaky and unreliable and ALWAYS late.  Just my two cents

And you have been on my list of "Damn, how do I make that shoot work?!" for nearly three years.

"DAMN, How DO I make that shoot work?!

Garry k wrote:
Do Strippers Make Good Models ?

Why not?

Bowls of fruit make good models.



There are good people and bad people everywhere. There are lots of kind and reliable people with good hearts who happen to also be hookers, strippers, etc.

In my humble, but real experience, I would suggest steering clear of those with drug, theft, drama and psychological problems.

Erratic tweekers and their boyfriends/pimps/sluggo's, etc.,  can be a major pain in the ass.

I think anyone who has had stripping experience here will back me up on that.

Garry k wrote:
Since starting  Photography approx 7 years ago Ive pretty well exclusively shot Fashion and Fashion MOdels ( in addition to music ) but as of recent Ive decided to branch out and do more nude work ...of course mainy fashion models have little interest in this genre ( in my experience ) so I am contemplating other sources ...

Not to in any way imply that strippers can't be good models, but, to save yourself some time since you're already a member of MM, there are plenty of us who pose nude and actually have experience with the camera.  And we openly solicit nude work--you don't have to chat us up in a club.

Garry k wrote:
Since starting  Photography approx 7 years ago Ive pretty well exclusively shot Fashion and Fashion MOdels ( in addition to music ) but as of recent Ive decided to branch out and do more nude work ...of course mainy fashion models have little interest in this genre ( in my experience ) so I am contemplating other sources ...

Well they have no problems with nudity. But money drives their world as does playing men for it. Just how do you plan on meeting them? Hopefully not in THEIR environment. And if they are trying to become models (The non adult type) then they will be a lot like any other wannabe. I've had great and awful luck using strippers in my art. The great ones for art nudes are the exception. But try for a bit of naked Human Condition and they are wonderful. I would suppose they would also make fine Glamor and sexy nude models.

PS when I shot model books back in the 80's and 90's I found like 1 in 4 models would willing do the nudes in lieu of payment for the portfolio pictures. Forerunner of TFP I guess. Never met many shy fashion models either. When I was with CBS we did a number of stories and backstage interviews. Had to watch the camera man's "B" roll since undies and nakedness abounded and no one else seemed to think much about it except my horny cameramen. LOL! So I think you are hanging out with the wrong "fashion" models or maybe you are just not asking the right way?

Karol Helms wrote:

Just wanted to chime in that Karol is a fantastic model on of the best I have worked with.


So yes strippers can be good subjects

Garry k wrote:
Since starting  Photography approx 7 years ago Ive pretty well exclusively shot Fashion and Fashion MOdels ( in addition to music ) but as of recent Ive decided to branch out and do more nude work ...of course mainy fashion models have little interest in this genre ( in my experience ) so I am contemplating other sources ...

Just depends, I've never really seen a stripper (around here) who has a great, tone, in shape body that would be great for shooting art nudes.

Grated I'm more worried about strech marks, fat, and other things, not how wide she can spread her legs.

PashaPhoto wrote:
strippers are ok as models... just don't schedule shoots in the am, and you'll be fine...

vince PTP