Kita St Cyr wrote:

It's cute and pretty now, but in it's heyday it was absolutely meant as spank bank material.

Well, yeah, but back then a woman wearing a one piece swim suit was more nudity than most men got to see!    Hell, if they saw a calf they'd be messing their shorts!!!

M5A1 Photography wrote:

Well, yeah, but back then a woman wearing a one piece swim suit was more nudity than most men got to see!    Hell, if they saw a calf they'd be messing their shorts!!!

That's the idea

Missoni Retouching wrote:
Is this normal?

eta: Would you let your daughter do it? Try to answer with at least a yes or no, not another question lol.

Nothing wrong as long as it's tasteful.

Groundwerks Productions wrote:
All 3 of mine are under 18....absolutely not.

Agreed.  Although I don't have children myself.  but, agree with your point.

Kita St Cyr wrote:

It's cute and pretty now, but in it's heyday it was absolutely meant as spank bank material.

Perhaps true....... But we are talking about now (not then)

Chris Macan wrote:

Perhaps true....... But we are talking about now (not then)

Fair enough, but it might be a hint as to why older parents would have a problem with their underaged daughters posing for pinup images.

Kita St Cyr wrote:

Fair enough, but it might be a hint as to why older parents would have a problem with their underaged daughters posing for pinup images.

You mean some older parents.  Not all of us are prudes.

Tim Hammond wrote:

You mean some older parents.  Not all of us are prudes.

of course.

Tracey Carter wrote:
Hell No!!   Legally any adult male or adult female taking pictures of a minor half dress is considered child pornography so it's a very thin line.

Legally speaking I do believe you are talking out of your rectum o.O

M5A1 Photography wrote:

No, what is terrible is that people have gone to such a filthy place in their heads that they can't look at beautiful pictures made by a loving mother of her lovely innocent children living in an innocent place in an innocent time.  If you are looking at it as "porn" then you are the pervert, not Sally or Jock.

*applauds*

Missoni Retouching wrote:
Would you let your daughter do it? Try to answer with at least a yes or no, not another question lol.

I don't have a daughter but for the sake of the argument, probably not, but then again I wouldn't let her drive me car either, or watch certain films. But nonetheless its a stupid part of your argument

Mizz Roxy wrote:

why is that

Need I say more!

sorry for the thread jack btw...

Missoni Retouching wrote:
Is this normal?

eta: Would you let your daughter do it? Try to answer with at least a yes or no, not another question lol.

My sister's halloween costume looked like a pin up outfit...and she's 17. Of course, there are much more innocent variations of the pin up look. I know Shells Bells and Kita have several that are high school age appropriate.

Missoni Retouching wrote:
Is this normal?

eta: Would you let your daughter do it? Try to answer with at least a yes or no, not another question lol.

"Pinup" ranges from very tame (WWII and 50's style) to explicit. Without details, the question is too vague to answer. As is the definition of "normal."

Tim Hammond wrote:

You mean some older parents.  Not all of us are prudes.

Hey that remark resembles me.

Miss Fifi wrote:

Is this sarcasm?

Nope.






(Yes, of course it is!)

Tracey Carter wrote:
Hell No!!   Legally any adult male or adult female taking pictures of a minor half dress is considered child pornography so it's a very thin line.

You, ma'am, are less-than-well-educated on the matter quite obviously.

Tracey Carter wrote:
Hell No!!   Legally any adult male or adult female taking pictures of a minor half dress is considered child pornography so it's a very thin line.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

StarryNight Photography wrote:

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You guys are being too hard on Tracey, at least now she gave us the legal line.  Its half dressed.  I feel so much better knowing that now.

So from now on I will shoot any minor as sexy as I want as long as 50% of their skin is covered.. now where did I put those long gloves, tall socks and ski mask....

NikkiLaShae wrote:
OKAY FIRST...

BEFORE RESPONDING...

KNOW WHAT "PIN-UP" IS  and the categories that fall underneath that such as

retro, glamour, fashion, etc.

And after you understand that...go crazy kids!!

Ok, now...GO!!

~(LaShae) Nikki

It's page 3...

Tracey Carter wrote:
Hell No!!   Legally any adult male or adult female taking pictures of a minor half dress is considered child pornography so it's a very thin line.

You are so so misinformed on this subject.

Harpy_image wrote:

*applauds*

luv ya. 

Chris Macan wrote:

Legally speaking I suspect you don't have a clue what you are talking about,
But that is just my opinion.
And I suspect you don't really grasp what the range of "pin up" is...
but that's another issue as well.

So how about you stop spreading the manure?


If you are not comfortable shooting minors that's fine,
If you want to say you don't think it's a good idea that's fine.
but child porn??? Good god... give it a break.

i hope you see this, please pm me if you do, i am so had with people like that, and fact is that they really need to give it a break as you say. there is a very this line in their mind, and in their dreams. it is there because they say it is. i refer to "them" and the "moral police" and i am so fed up with them. live like they want you to live, and there is no discussing, "they" are a total waste of my time. i had a bit of a discussion here on MM with some that are not comfortable to shoot "beach photography", almost like public "street", but on a public beach. i say the same to them, if you dont want to shoot it for some reason, if you dont think it is a good idea, fine! but i say keep ya mouth shut about those of us that shoot that type of photography, please.

LC Mtl wrote:
I always fell kind of uncomfortable looking at a sexy picture of an underage girl.

Ditto.

M5A1 Photography wrote:
No, what is terrible is that people have gone to such a filthy place in their heads that they can't look at beautiful pictures made by a loving mother of her lovely innocent children living in an innocent place in an innocent time.  If you are looking at it as "porn" then you are the pervert, not Sally or Jock.

Its the "perverts" with their sicko hangups who sexulaize everything that are the problem

Shot By Adam wrote:
I just came here to see who resurrected a thread from 2009.

I blame martians

Jenny Coyle wrote:
It really depends on what sort of pinups you're talking about. Gibson girl style images are innocent enough....

Which is beside the point...
Most well known models were half naked in ads at that age and a bit younger. I can think of more than a few VS models that started at age 14 or 15.... and you can't tell me that men don't use that catalogue for entertainment value.

I will say that letting some bottom of the barrell photographer take poorly lit unflattering photos of your daughter pinup style, will absolutely make her look like a whore. And certainly will not do anything to help her professionally.

I guess I'm saying it's really about the purpose and quality of the images, and the content in them....

I absolutely agree with you!  There are 50's style pin ups and quite a few different styles of other work that falls under the category of "pin up!"  The quality of the photography and the poses from the model play an important role in how images are viewed.  I've photographed many teenagers at 16 and 17 for their zed cards, and acting composites back many years ago when film was all we had to shoot.  Those same models now have teenage daughters of their own and have brought their daughters to be photographed by me.  It's quite an honor!

More recently, I've photographed a 16 year old in lingerie by a Christmas tree while her mom watched.  She "looked" conservative at the time and the images were appropriate for her age.   It's important to consider that with the Internet age, you have to consider that those images will end up on the Internet.   Don't get too wild, or wait until they turn 18.  As soon as she turned 18, she went all Suicide Girls on me by getting tattoos and piercings.  So she can do whatever she wants now.   

Pin up is NOT pornography.  There is a difference and if a photographer does not know the difference, then I question if they should be shooting pin up or teenagers until they do.  There are websites where you can find plenty of good examples of what is appropriate for teenagers in bikinis, lingerie along with pin up styles.  Don't go lumping pin up with pornography!