Photographer
awj photo
Posts: 104
San Diego, California, US
The original intent of this thread was to
find a widely accepted,accurate description
of certain common "styles" so that during
conversations,messages,e-mails and actual photo
shoots,The Models and Photographers
are all on the same page...
So nobody gets offended,embarassed or insulted.
Thanks.
Model
Nikki Magnusson
Posts: 6844
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Frankie wrote:
Ya know what isnt classy? Guys who call girls "skanks".
Its also generally a sign they are misogynistic and sexually intimidated by women. yup..haters for sure..
Photographer
Keith Goodman
Posts: 775
Gainesville, Virginia, US
awj photo wrote:
The original intent of this thread was to
find a widely accepted,accurate description
of certain common "styles" so that during
conversations,messages,e-mails and actual photo
shoots,The Models and Photographers
are all on the same page...
So nobody gets offended,embarassed or insulted.
Thanks. Really like the definitions. For those of us around in the 60's PB style was well defined and is a term useful in establishing limits in modeling. Nice description of the terms. I guess I shoot PBMinus in the "fine art" genre I seek.
Model
Bon voyage MM
Posts: 9508
Honolulu, Hawaii, US
I think those are pretty huge generalizations. Might work for one model, wouldn't work for me. I do Penthouse style, doesn't mean I will shoot with another female (or male) model.
Photographer
Teila K Day Photography
Posts: 2039
Panama City Beach, Florida, US
Frankie wrote:
Ya know what isnt classy? Guys who call girls "skanks".
Its also generally a sign they are misogynistic and sexually intimidated by women. I don't think any reasonable person would subscribe to the idea that men who use the word "skank" are generally intimidated by women nor misogynistic .
More likely that men (and women) who use the word "skank" are.. simply people who use the word "skank".
Photographer
Teila K Day Photography
Posts: 2039
Panama City Beach, Florida, US
Sabrina Maddison wrote:
I think those are pretty huge generalizations. Might work for one model, wouldn't work for me. I do Penthouse style, doesn't mean I will shoot with another female (or male) model. Right on target and logical. I don't know why MM members feel so compelled to use labels as opposed to just making it plainly known what his/her limits are as a model.
Instead of MM models using silly style labels (e.g. "Playboy style"), it's best a model just plainly let a photographer know what his/her limits are.
We ask a model about her *specific* limits- I couldn't care less what "style" it closely resembles because that doesn't tell me diddly.
Either you shoot nude or you don't. Either you show your bits or you don't. Either you go further than just showing your bits or you won't.
Too easy, and leaves nothing up to interpretation or opinion. 
Model
Thi Cee
Posts: 89
Dallas, Texas, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Having worked for all three companies and knowing most of the photographers, editors and art directors for many years, I am not sure that I can agree with such a simple description.
All three companies produce hardcore porn.
Playboy spends more money than the other two combined in porn production.
Penthouse has toned down their level of erotica in the last five years considerably.
Hustler is Hustler . . . nothing new there in years. What you expect is what you get.
What you see in all of these magazines is only a fraction of what is actually shot and the harder images are often used online in their websites.
As far as I know . . . the publisher of Playboy has slept with many more of his models than anyone at Hustler or Penthouse.
Everyone has their own definition of 'sleaze'
KM i agree completely!!
i learn something new everyday 
Model
Thi Cee
Posts: 89
Dallas, Texas, US
awj photo wrote:
The original intent of this thread was to
find a widely accepted,accurate description
of certain common "styles" so that during
conversations,messages,e-mails and actual photo
shoots,The Models and Photographers
are all on the same page...
So nobody gets offended,embarassed or insulted.
Thanks. You can't really have an "accurate" description between the 3 styles.
Everyone can take one word and understand the meaning of it, while some one else can take a completely different direction towards that one word. There are plenty of similarities between the styles. Best thing to do before a shoot, is ask the model or photographer in detail, how they'd describe the definition of the style they want to shoot prior to shooting. Makes it simple enough that no one will be surprised during a shoot.
Here's a break down. Communication between a Model & Photographer is ALWAYS import prior to shooting. There will always be confusion between the two if details are left out...BLAH okok im rambling now! lol
Good Post! 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
awj photo wrote:
The original intent of this thread was to
find a widely accepted,accurate description
of certain common "styles" so that during
conversations,messages,e-mails and actual photo
shoots,The Models and Photographers
are all on the same page...
So nobody gets offended,embarassed or insulted.
Thanks. I just say; is there anything in my port that you aren't comfortable with?
I'd call the work in this portfolio "Playboy level" and some shots I've taken "Penthouse level" but I don't think of anything I do as those "styles."
Photographer
NC Art Photos
Posts: 592
Raleigh, North Carolina, US
awj photo wrote:
These words get used on Mayhem quite often...
Never found a widely accepted definition anywhere though.
Here's mine...
Playboy:Includes full nudity but no spread/open
legs or spread/open butt cheeks...
Any girl/girl pics are smiling/playful only...
Not erotic/sexual.
Absolutely no boy/girl.
Absolutely no "pink".
Absolutely no toys or penetration.
Penthouse:Includes full nudity with some spread/open
legs and spread/open butt cheeks...
Some close-ups of body parts.
Some "pink".
Girl/girl can include kissing,simulated licking
and erotic/sexual poses and expressions.
Usually not explicit though.
Boy/girl only for editorial.Not for feature
layouts and certainly not explicit.(No penises.)
No toys or penetration.
Hustler:Includes full nudity with plenty of spread/open legs
and spread/open butt cheeks.
Some close-ups of body parts.
Plenty of "pink".
Toys and actual penetration a.o.k.
Girl/girl and boy/girl will include very explicit
contact,toys,penises,penetration and ejaculation
and sometimes,urination.
By most standards,Hustler is porn.
Penthouse is erotica.
Playboy is nude glamour.
All these words/terms get used daily on Mayhem yet
have many definitions...And don't forget "Fetish".
What's your definition??? Sorry - I have seen penises in Penthouse. No insertion, ejaculation or urination in Hustler. But I admit I have not looked at either publication in years. Other than those two things the list looks good.
Photographer
bobby sargent
Posts: 4159
Deming, New Mexico, US
I have seen open leg shots in Playboy. Not wide open but the legs are open and you can see everything the girl has. bs
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
MD Art Photos wrote:
Sorry - I have seen penises in Penthouse. No insertion, ejaculation or urination in Hustler. But I admit I have not looked at either publication in years. Other than those two things the list looks good. I suggest you make a trip to your local newsstand and see what Penthouse and Hustler have been up to in the last 5 years.
KM
Photographer
Philipe
Posts: 5302
Pomona, California, US
Playboy, early and mid 80's had some spread shots... Too hairy too see anything though, but tastefully done .. and very sensual.... and depending on the model. Some models show a little more... But its never over done..
Model
Janice Marie Foote
Posts: 11483
Playboy = Gentlemen's Magazine Penthouse = Regular Man's Magazine Hustler = Pervert's Magazine
Photographer
norm la coe photography
Posts: 2062
Naples, Florida, US
you are talking about what the magazines publish. not about the pictures they take and store away in archives to bring out in 20 years when tastes change. take a look at the work of candy loving in playboy originally years ago, and the revealing images that came out later. the definitions you talk about are temporary, the pictures are permanent. if you work with the magazines, remember that.
Model
MarzKiraXoX
Posts: 13
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
May I apply for the playboy style photos
Photographer
Eye of the World
Posts: 1396
Corvallis, Oregon, US
Well, since Playboy no longer publishes that style, feel free. And was it really necessary to resurrect a 7 year old thread just for that comment?
Photographer
FFantastique
Posts: 2535
Orlando, Florida, US
Kira_Marz_xo wrote:
May I apply for the playboy style photos Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
I've been arguing with another tog who has a 3 digit MM number that they are NOT the same!
Now I have ammo to fire at him (he's ex military--he can handle the truth!).
Model
MarzKiraXoX
Posts: 13
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
My apologies I was asked to model in this style and shown this thread for reference
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 3779
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
FFantastique wrote:
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
I've been arguing with another tog who has a 3 digit MM number that they are NOT the same!
Now I have ammo to fire at him (he's ex military--he can handle the truth!). The use of the word "tog" when referring to a photographer is considered an insult.
You may notice that you are the only photographer using that term.
Photographer
Eye of the World
Posts: 1396
Corvallis, Oregon, US
Kira_Marz_xo wrote:
My apologies I was asked to model in this style and shown this thread for reference And I am sorry for coming across as snarky. The forums get so many ancient threads restarted and the new comment rarely adds anything to the discussion so I jumped on it without much consideration. Since the styles shown by Playboy etc. have morphed over the years, I would suggest simply being upfront in your profile in more descriptive terms just what kind of content you will shoot. Things such as "no open leg" or "no genital exposure" are easily understood by most everyone. Words such as "tasteful" are vague. Is Playboy style old Playboy or new Playboy? And many more people will see your profile than will ever read this thread.
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