PBK Photography wrote:
Was reading another thread and this question came to mind...

Do you (photographers) require all (or a majority) of your TF* work to be some form of nude? Full, implied, topless included

Do you (models) give in to photographers (that you really want to shoot with) who will only shoot under those conditions?

Me- I used to require them during my first year or so but only with those who were comfy doing them. Not that it makes it excusable but we all make mistakes. Currently, I no longer require nudes to shoot a model TF* (I just require a one time sitting fee and will shoot models TF* for as long as we want to continue working together). I shoot some that are minors and I see no reason to not keep it a level playing field.

So everyone, what are your policies/practices?

Again as usual, please keep the smart ass remarks to your self. Just want to see where everyone stands on this issue.

Thanks!

For shoots that do not require nudes, I do not require nudes.
For shoots that require nudes, I require nudes.

Roxy Mae  NFB wrote:
lemme get this right in order to shoot on a tf* basis i would have had to shoot nude?(according to your old policy)....wow

I dont think he is the only one that has or had a policy like that

Roxy Mae  NFB wrote:
lemme get this right in order to shoot on a tf* basis i would have had to shoot nude?(according to your old policy)....wow

Yeah. It sounds like you have to pay a sitting fee or pay with your tits.

The Main Man wrote:

I dont think he is the only one that has or had a policy like that

I never asked you to get naked.

The Main Man wrote:

I dont think he is the only one that has or had a policy like that

That policy would seem to really limit the number of models willing to shoot.

The Main Man wrote:

I dont think he is the only one that has or had a policy like that

i mean if i was a non nude model then i wouldnt even considering working with him. especially back when i first started with a policy like that i would have written him off

PYPI FASHION wrote:

Yeah. It sounds like you have to pay a sitting fee or pay with your tits.

lol sounds like GWC talk to me

PYPI FASHION wrote:

I never asked you to get naked.

Sigh....I know, I just willingly do it

Roxy Mae  NFB wrote:
lemme get this right in order to shoot on a tf* basis i would have had to shoot nude?(according to your old policy)....wow

To clarify- Yes (bad policy) It was only if you were willing (poor excuse) but the upside was I did learn how to do them well and that what most of my clients still come to me for.

Bill Mason Images wrote:
That policy would seem to really limit the number of models willing to shoot.

Well, Lets ask the op then. Ahem, Mr. OP, with your old policy, how many models still shot with you?

EDIT: and which 'nude' thread was it exactly? There must have been like 5 or 6 threads complainin about havin to get nakey just to get shot goin on today

Roxy Mae  NFB wrote:

lol sounds like GWC talk to me

Yep! It was GWC talk!

See, I do still have a sense of humor even when getting bashed.

Roxy Mae  NFB wrote:

lol sounds like GWC talk to me

Well at least he's upfront about it. Saves everyone a lot of time.

PBK Photography wrote:

To clarify- Yes (bad policy) It was only if you were willing (poor excuse) but the upside was I did learn how to do them well and that what most of my clients still come to me for.

I'm curious...how did your policy contribute to your learning how to shoot the nudes well? I fail to see a logical connection.

The Main Man wrote:
My first ever shoot here was for nudes. I wouldnt say I gave in, but I felt that I had to start somewhere

and we appreciate the work! ;p

The Main Man wrote:

Well, Lets ask the op then. Ahem, Mr. OP, with your old policy, how many models still shot with you?

Actaully... several still will. Most had no desire to model and they still dont. They eventually became paying clients. They were wanting nudes for their significant others and figured they would for the free photos.

Those that I dont shoot I just lost touch with.

There are a couple I just recently made contact with again and they are looking forward to shooting with me again. Never had a bad experience. The few who did change their mind after showing up to the shoot about shooting nude still got shot. I just stayed within their comfort zone. I learned quickly that a bad nude shot, is still a bad shot and therefore not usuable.

The policy didnt stay in effect for very long but it was there no the less

Bill Mason Images wrote:

I'm curious...how did your policy contribute to your learning how to shoot the nudes well? I fail to see a logical connection.

Well, Model got the images they wanted. At the same time, he got to practice shooting naked women. I would think thats how he learned. The more models that approached=the more Nakey women he got to practice with

PBK Photography wrote:

To clarify- Yes (bad policy) It was only if you were willing (poor excuse) but the upside was I did learn how to do them well and that what most of my clients still come to me for.

i can see it now

"No TF* unless you are willing to show me your tities, otherwise here are my rate:...."


so other words pay me to photographer you clothed which is not fun or exciting or show me your tities so i can be "excited" about the shoot. lol

Bill Mason Images wrote:

I'm curious...how did your policy contribute to your learning how to shoot the nudes well? I fail to see a logical connection.

I had several girls come to me willing to shoot nude. Trial and error until I figured out what looked right and what didnt.

PBK Photography wrote:
Was reading another thread and this question came to mind...

Do you (photographers) require all (or a majority) of your TF* work to be some form of nude? Full, implied, topless included

Do you (models) give in to photographers (that you really want to shoot with) who will only shoot under those conditions?

Me- I used to require them during my first year or so but only with those who were comfy doing them. Not that it makes it excusable but we all make mistakes. Currently, I no longer require nudes to shoot a model TF* (I just require a one time sitting fee and will shoot models TF* for as long as we want to continue working together). I shoot some that are minors and I see no reason to not keep it a level playing field.

So everyone, what are your policies/practices?

Again as usual, please keep the smart ass remarks to your self. Just want to see where everyone stands on this issue.

Thanks!

Not being a smart ass here, but I really can't address the question of "where I stand" until I clear this up.  You asked models in general if they would "give in" to a photographer requiring nudes... what about models that shoot exclusively nudes or prefer them? (I've worked with many that operate this way)  In that case, they would be "giving in" to shoot clothed...  it just always seems the photographer gets the label of the hunter and the model the hunted.  Models seek out photographers as well.

PYPI FASHION wrote:

For shoots that do not require nudes, I do not require nudes.
For shoots that require nudes, I require nudes.

See thats the way I think about it. If I have shoot in mind that would normally require some degree of nudity but I find a girl who would fit the physically but doesnt care to shoot nude, I'll modify the shoot for her and get it done.

Frances Jewel wrote:

and we appreciate the work! ;p

*blushes* Thank you

Robert Randall wrote:
You are a somewhat confusing person. Your shoot criteria seems at least distorted, and some of the statements you made on your folio page escape me. For instance, what does this mean... "As you can see through my work, I am NOT your typical picture taking photographer. I direct all shoots."

Thank you for pointing that out... I hadn't gone as far as looking at his port yet.

Roxy Mae  NFB wrote:

i can see it now

"No TF* unless you are willing to show me your tities, otherwise here are my rate:...."


so other words pay me to photographer you clothed which is not fun or exciting or show me your tities so i can be "excited" about the shoot. lol

I SWEAR I have seen that before!

Sackett Studios wrote:
what if the photographer has plenty of awesome clothed fashion and glamour photos in his portfolio and already makes money from it, but is really wanting to jump into the nude photography, but he doesn't have any?

is it wrong for him at that point to only offer nudes for tfp?

- Travis Sackett
www.TravisSackett.com

I would say it would be appropriate as long as he/she stated the reason. Otherwise it could look bad.

See how I'm getting bashed and I admitted to the policy and this was a few years ago!

Svend wrote:

Not being a smart ass here, but I really can't address the question of "where I stand" until I clear this up.  You asked models in general if they would "give in" to a photographer requiring nudes... what about models that shoot exclusively nudes or prefer them? (I've worked with many that operate this way)  In that case, they would be "giving in" to shoot clothed...  it just always seems the photographer gets the label of the hunter and the model the hunted.  Models seek out photographers as well.

To clarify- This would be for those who under normal circumstances would not shoot any form of nude.

PBK Photography wrote:

See thats the way I think about it. If I have shoot in mind that would normally require some degree of nudity but I find a girl who would fit the physically but doesnt care to shoot nude, I'll modify the shoot for her and get it done.

Please don't say you think the way I do. It's embarrassing for me.

PBK Photography wrote:
See how I'm getting bashed and I admitted to the policy and this was a few years ago!

I've done a lot of stupid things in the past. Fortunately, it never occurred to me to voluntarily admit to them on a public forum without even being asked.

PBK Photography wrote:

To clarify- This would be for those who under normal circumstances would not shoot any form of nude.

Aha...  That's an important clarification.

I still can't answer that question, as it doesn't apply to me.  At least I understand your direction a little more though.

Robert Randall wrote:
You are a somewhat confusing person. Your shoot criteria seems at least distorted, and some of the statements you made on your folio page escape me. For instance, what does this mean... "As you can see through my work, I am NOT your typical picture taking photographer. I direct all shoots."

You know, I have to say, I love seeing Bob's post in pretty much any forum. I have no idea if that avatar is you, nor does it matter... but it always adds a bit of je ne' sai qua to the thread.



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