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Posted by Andre Knudsen: If one goes to an interview would they bring anyone with them, Modeling is a job, would one bring your mother, boyguy, or your pet to work Elementry watson Jul 18 05 08:01 pm Link The thing I hate is when the photographer says I cant bring an escort, but, will mention that his wife or another model will be there. Okay? If I can't have an escort there then you cant have your wife or another model there either. It is only fair. Jul 18 05 10:52 pm Link Posted by Leila: Posted by Mary: Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Prostitutes have body gaurds because they put themselves in dangerous situations, are we talking about modeling or prostitution? I think we should come up with a term for people who have no idea what they are talking about... It appears I hit a nerve, god I hate it when that happens Jul 18 05 11:36 pm Link Posted by CO Model Amber: There is a certain wierd logic to this statement that I like. Jul 18 05 11:51 pm Link Posted by Mary: Very cute! Jul 18 05 11:57 pm Link Posted by bencook2: Posted by Naomi Jay: Naomi Jay is right. The "Real" fashion world that so few of us participate in makes your average sicko GWC look like Mr. Rogers. A very good friend of mine who just graced the walls of Aber. and Fitch got attacked by what she thought was a gay make up artist. He turned out to be quite strong and quite hetero. But, she got away. But, her story illustrates my point exactly, she is the first to tell you that she put herself into that situation. All the escorts in the world will not help if you make bad decisions. While I appreciate your attempt to decide what my "boundaries" should be, I have to tell you that here in the Good ole US "we" don't all think alike. I spend a lot of time communicating with erotic/fetish/porn artists and models around the globe and I can tell you that pretty much every democratic nation has a healthy alternative art industry, especially the US. To attempt to denigrate it by saying that "those other people over there" are behind it is...a symptom of something I don't really like to think about. Jul 19 05 01:02 am Link Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: I see the future......... the great whooolerikerdkjdska sees the future.......... Melvin will write children's books. Jul 19 05 01:11 am Link I've had a few bad experiences with models bringing escorts when I first started out. One model brought her boyfriend who was an absolute pain in my @ss. I didn't think I would have any problem since I am a female photographer, but he was very distracting to the model, kept making comments better reserved for their own private time, and wanted to approve every shot that I did. This was a paid shoot for a car calendar so, to say the least, I was extremely annoyed and the model didn't end up in the calendar because she looked distracted in all the shots. I have since learned my lesson. I don't tell anyone that they can not bring a chaperone or friend, but when shooting a female, I don't allow boyfriends or any men in the studio when shooting. I try to have as many phone conversations before the shoot as possible, and if the model lives close, I like to meet with her first. Then she feels comfortable with me and doesn't feel the need to bring a "bodyguard". It's not always a bad situation when a model brings a chaperone. It really just depends on the model and whether she has a professional attitude about the shoot. Jul 19 05 10:03 am Link Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: Posted by bencook2: Posted by Naomi Jay: Naomi Jay is right. The "Real" fashion world that so few of us participate in makes your average sicko GWC look like Mr. Rogers. A very good friend of mine who just graced the walls of Aber. and Fitch got attacked by what she thought was a gay make up artist. He turned out to be quite strong and quite hetero. But, she got away. But, her story illustrates my point exactly, she is the first to tell you that she put herself into that situation. All the escorts in the world will not help if you make bad decisions. While I appreciate your attempt to decide what my "boundaries" should be, I have to tell you that here in the Good ole US "we" don't all think alike. I spend a lot of time communicating with erotic/fetish/porn artists and models around the globe and I can tell you that pretty much every democratic nation has a healthy alternative art industry, especially the US. To attempt to denigrate it by saying that "those other people over there" are behind it is...a symptom of something I don't really like to think about. God Bless You Brother! Jul 19 05 10:48 am Link I'm one of those models that has an "always escorted" note on my profile. I started modeling before I was 18 so I had to bring an escort. I got used to and comfortable used to it. My escorts would only talk to me if they were helping me change or it was during a break. I continue to bring escorts now just because that is what I'm used to. However, I don't demand that they sit in the same room as the pictures. That's rediculous and for me it IS distracting. But if there is somekind of reception area or waiting room that is within earshot I don't see the problem. I've also done a shoot where I had a "phone check-up" which I dsicussed with the photographer beforehand. I called when I got there and then someone called me 2 hours later to make sure I was still "okay". If I didn't pick up the phone they knew to come to the shoot and make sure I was okay. I talked this over with the photog before hand had the call scheduled during our lunch break. I was also to call the second I left. This was very easy and I felt comfortable with it. Jul 19 05 03:19 pm Link Gee another escort vote thread, oh goodie. Sigothers on any level, parent of a adult model, both verbotten. 90%=Idiots, and distracting ones at that. Fingering your equipment. Looking over your shoulder, trying to direct whats happening, distracting the living shit outta the model, hell how about pulling a point and shoot and doing such over your shoulder? Yeah...the idiot knows who it was. A sig other going spazz, being physically threatened by some dolt....and while few admit it, more photogs than you think been ripped off by scam artists, than models have been accosted. They just are loathe to publicly admit it. Sorry to the 10%, but it just aint worth any money or time. Wouldnt matter if your paying me. You expect a quality job. I know what works for me. If I cannot deliver the images you expect, then Im not going to take the job. Sister, friend, cousin fine, but out of the room and not on a line of vision. MUA is present, nearly without exception. If a model is uncomfortable, that doesnt make for an appealing shoot anyhow. So I vote NO. lol Cherrystone Jul 19 05 03:40 pm Link It IS possible to have unobtrusive escorts, even if they happen to be your BF. My boyfriend, whom I've been with for 6 years has come on several shoots with me and he always removes himself from the studio and fiddles on his laptop or reads, he doesn't even look at me while shooting...nothing could be more boring to him, but he's there in case something shady presents itself. There are many scary people in the world and some of them can be photographers, it's never a bad idea to have someone else around (esp. a male) who can look out for you. If a photog forbade an escort (although, I might not ALWAYS request one), then they could forget shooting with me. There are many great photogs out there who DO allow escorts. Jul 19 05 11:22 pm Link I've had escorts on my shoots that have been out of the way when necessary and "in the way" when asked. By that I mean holding reflectors, turning lights on and off, unplugging things, moving things, making backdrops level, etc. When the escort is my boyfriend it doesn't seem to affect my performance. After being together for four years, and knowing him for five there's very little to be shy about and no approval to seek. Other times the escort is one of my closest female friends and as we've done shoots together we've pretty much seen all of the goods on one another so it's really no big deal. She models too, so it's nothing we haven't seen or done before. If a photographer insists on NO escorts/chaperones/bodyguards (whatever you might want to call it) that does send up a red flag. There should be some leeway in there to allow for unobtrusive additions. We're all human and as such are unpredictable and imperfect. That's not to justify anyone's unprofessional or criminal conduct, but rather to say that you never know about a person. This doesn't apply so much to models being sent to shoots through an agency, if you are working with professional and reputable people they will more than likely send you to professional and reputable photographers and assignments. However, it's always good to tell someone where you are going, what you are doing, a number to contact you (your own cell phone or what have you) and an estimated time of return. Safety first. Jul 20 05 12:17 am Link OK I will give you safety first. No question about that. BUT if we are doing two models in the shot so what gives this escort the right to stand there and watch the other model while she is NUDE? If she is not comfortable with this excort standing there looking at here what about her feelings in this matter? Are her feelings and wants to be thrown away just so some excort can stand there and get an eye full of another naked girl? The second model has her right to have a shoot conducted in a safe way also. What does this escort bring to this type of shoot? who's rights are to be upheld model 1 or model 2? Bring the excort if you have to but when it comes time to shoot he is out of there. And do not expect me to have to pay for him being there either. I have offered models money for the shoot but some want more to cover the boyfriend being there. I even heard from a friend that one time the model said to just send 2 tickets and deduct the ticket from the cost of the fee. So when they got there she decided not to shoot with the photographer but her and the BF had a few days of HOLIDAY in a new city at the poor photographers expense. Forget that. If you want to work with me fine. If not that is fine also. But when we go out on location with 2 models and 3-5 photographers nobody has any escort, BF, H, girlfriend as an excort. If you are not safe or feel safe with 8 people there then you do not need to be modeling for me. I can and will always find models who are not this way and they still feel safe and sound. Just check my model references and there you have it. bs Jul 20 05 07:11 am Link Posted by bobby sargent: You've got to love Bobby's approach... straight forward, no nonsense... are you listening models? You ought to be, otherwise there really is someone else in the queue. Jul 20 05 10:57 am Link I would definely agree to shooting without an escort given numerous models on the shoot and other "staff". A paid commercial shoot is a whole different thing...Then safety isn't an issue. Also if it's strictly clothed stock type or fashion photos. But I tend to do more along the lines of fetish, erotic and artistic shoots and to me it's for fun not for pay. And there's a huge nude factor in there... I agree too with the rights to privacy for any other model posing nude, I am fairly confident but if someone is uncomfortable with anyone but the photographer being in the room then DEFINITELY keep everyone but Photog out of room. I can't imagine expecting someone to pay for my escort to come with me that's a personal expense not a photographers expense... Jul 20 05 11:16 am Link Posted by RStephenT: Posted by bobby sargent: You've got to love Bobby's approach... straight forward, no nonsense... are you listening models? You ought to be, otherwise there really is someone else in the queue. As for me, I likely wouldn't require an escort if I were shooting with another model. If I were shooting with her I'd try and speak with her first to get comfortable and we'd discuss what we'd do beforehand should something go awry. Also, if there are just going to be multiple people there anyway, no of course I'm not going to take n escort. The odds that everyone would be involved in some sort of model heist would be highly unlikely, I'm not paranoid to a fault. Jul 20 05 11:17 am Link absolutely no problem, i show them ware the bathroom and kitchen are and tell them to clean it up.... Jul 20 05 05:42 pm Link After a model was murdered in Philly by a photographer that I was scheduled to work with.. I always bring an chaperone. I always bring the same person, it is someone I trust and have gotten quite comfortable with.. Worse comes to worse.. if they are distracting have them stay in a nother room where you can't see them. Jul 20 05 08:34 pm Link I've gone to all of my shoots with an "escort' namely my boyfriend. He's helped with holding reflectors, moving lights backgrounds, helped with zippers and corsets so he's my assistant really. So far no photographer has had a problem with it (and those that were into computers liked him better than the liked me! :-) ). For those who have had reservations about it I give them a "Sean Resume". Basically a list of photographers who my prospective photographer can contact for a "behavior report" if you will...so far no objections. Suggestion : (please don't nail me to the cross for it:-) )Photographers if you are "iffy" about a prosepective models chaperone require the model to give you some other photographers to contact to see how smoothly it went...especially get names of people who had shot the same genre you are looking to shoot. Just a thought. Jul 20 05 09:09 pm Link Posted by Joelle: I could deal with that approach, seems like a reasonable alternative particulary when you are dealing with the dreaded "boyfriend"... grin... except on a commercial shoot. Jul 20 05 09:55 pm Link Posted by bobby sargent: Goodness no! If I'm shooting with another model that's pretty much my "escort". I wouldn't compromise another model's comfort level just so that I felt taken care of. Moreover, I've pretty much shot with other models who are friends, I don't really want my boyfriend there checking out my naked friends, ha ha! For the most part I think we're on the same page here. Jul 20 05 10:08 pm Link One of the good things about being under 18 is that no one has a problem if my mom comes along  . And if they do, well, I'm not going to shoot with them! Until I'm 18, my mother has the last word on whether I even do a shoot. Jul 20 05 11:07 pm Link Hey Xi. I like your mom already. She is ok in my book. Tell your mom I give her 2 thumbs up in her approach to your modeling. bs Jul 21 05 12:14 am Link Bottom line is this. This is INTERNET booking. A photographer who rejects escorts is either full of themselves (thinking land-based rules apply here) and probably not someone you want to work with or someone far creepier with ulterior motives who you definitely don't want to work with. I use sites like this primarily for networking and for booking shoots for the sole pleasure of photography. The few times I've had commercial gigs, contacting a model through a web site or email was never a consideration. I placed a phone call to an agency, told them what I needed and so on. Only then would I not expect an escort. Very different levels of business with very different expectations. Jul 21 05 03:51 am Link Bring an escort, I don't care. Two assistants beats one any day. Jul 21 05 06:04 pm Link I will ALWAYS have somone with me no matter what. BUT i tell them basicly to stand in a corner till im done and if they dont listen then they get to wait out side. Im there for a shoot not to chitchat with them, i can do that any time. A shoot is a shoot. Im there for a reason. Jul 26 05 01:12 am Link Posted by Boyd Hambleton: What a load of unmitigated CRAP. Jul 26 05 01:51 am Link Again i would like to state Modeling is safer than flying.. the safest form of transportation.. Its Scarey to think that all models think photographers are murderers.. Why would anyone work in such a dangerouse profession for tfp..or even pay!! Beauty is such a frailty Jul 26 05 02:15 am Link I am male model and I escort 9 diff female models to there shoots, I never butt in unless I am asked to or the model says the code word that we make before the shoot, you can never know who is a pervert or not one, and you never know a photographer may be decent with one model and a pervert with another, so I say let a model bring an escort but its best that the escort is in the industry because he/she would know whats going on and would most prob not get in the way. Jul 26 05 02:17 am Link No escorte. its not professional. its like you need someone to hold your hand! Jul 26 05 02:29 am Link For me I don't have a escort AKA babysitter, I have an assistant who drives me to shoots. He helps me get ready also. He will carry my clothing and make-up or whatever I need. (I normally do my own make-up since I have make-up artist experence.) I see nothing unprofessional about that. Some photographers seemed bothered that he is a male. But he is all I got when I comes to someone supporting my modeling career. He is also helpful on driving me where I need to be. He stays out of the way. Normally, when shooting he will sit back and read a magazine until I ask for him to help. Sometimes he is great for holding mirrors and moving props. I think I have it made pretty well since he is my unpaid assitant. He just wants to be there to help me become a sucessful model. Him and I agree if a photographer has a problem with him being there they might be shady. Since most models higher on the ladder have paid helpers. I am just lucky enough to have one who is willing to do it for free. Well, I normally feed him when he takes me to my shoots. Jul 26 05 02:43 am Link o yea I also help them with there makeup and help carry there stuff and move props, oh and I also drive them, I do not ask them for money, and some of them do feed me too. Jul 26 05 02:49 am Link I have 3 years of karate and fighting experience. I reccomend it to all women, models or not. that being said... I do not always bring an escort... but sometimes I wish I had. I won't work with someone who says no escort. I will work with someone who asks that if I choose to bring an escort, that person be female. I understand its nothing personal--that some girls (esp ones gotten on internet bookings) are not quite professional enough to pose for the camera or not bring an overprotective male friend, though I am. It is understood that my escort be professional and non obtrusive. I do want a situation that is blissfully comfortable for both myself and the photographer so we get the best images. Personally, my bf is my escort of choice. He's a personal trainer, so he is protection but equally important hes useful. He helps with wardrobe, reflectors, carries heavy things, gets coffee... He has come on location and lifted me up onto logs up in the air we wanted to shoot me on that I'd never been able to crawl up onto alone. In a pinch, with a little oil, his chest can double as a backdrop. *LOL* You get the idea... I know this situation isnt always the norm, but.. it is for me. Jul 26 05 04:15 am Link Posted by justyna_b: amen, i have only been to one shoot by myself and will not do it again. until this day i am having problems getting my images from him....it's been bout a month now....i ahve always been told to be bring an escort to feel more comfortable. Jul 26 05 04:35 am Link |
