Greg Kolack wrote:
Angela gone poof...

Perhaps she has taken the place of the miners in Chile to stay hidden from sight for awhile...

Probably a wise move.

Perhaps she is too busy clicking "delete" in her inbox.  I would expect an inflammatory  and factually challenged article like hers to generate a lot more direct commentary besides the content of this thread.

Luccia wrote:

I agree with both of those. 

but hey! I use MM for a lot of freelance work.  Just depends on how smart you are about using it.


I like you

I hope you liked what came before the quotes, because the rest is what I found funny. And after looking at your port, if a photographer does not at least politely try to hit on you, then they have no blood in their veins, or are gay. And not sure gay would stop them.

Shot By Adam wrote:

GCobb Photography wrote:
She is selectively approving comments as well.

Yep. I made a comment regarding her damage control and it is still awaiting moderation.


But a model going ANYWHERE and expecting to be a supermodel overnight is watching too much television and has the IQ of a termite. ModelMayhem has nothing to do with that.

Stop insulting termites!
Unwarranted and deserves brigging.

Greg Kolack wrote:
I get the idea her "article" and involvement in this thread has done exactly what she planned it to do - an enormous amount of traffic to her site that she would not have gotten otherwise. 9 pages worth here and probably hundreds, if not thousands of visits.

So while everyone is bashing her and making comments on her site that she simply is deleting, everyone is falling neatly into her ploy and giving her the attention she was looking for - so who is the idiot? Her for writing this, or us for being tricked into giving her the attention she wanted?

I actually don't think this is the work of a clueless moron everyone is claiming - I think it's the work of a savvy PR ploy.

Glad you agree with what I said much earlier.
And even before me, somebody suggested not going to her site, so as to not give her any traffic..like that suggestion was going to work once things got rolling. However even a clueless moron can stumble onto a gold mine. Just look at the people who get elected.

Worst part is this killed their credibility, when something good could have been done. Same as some clothing manufactures will now only hire normal sized models. And a ban of the anorexic look it proposed. Somebody help with sources as they escape me. They could have (not likely) gotten some movement towards more petite models being used. The anorexic movement and enforcement can be justified on health issues. Petite is another issue.

And the reason the fashion industry gets so hot and bothered is because IT IS A SCAM, in the act of convincing people to follow a useless, artificial trend. See several earlier posts.

And this despite that I will agree that beautiful people in beautiful clothes, look, well...beautiful.
And for the nude models, it is far, far harder to look beautiful with no clothes. So for those who do it, my humble admiration.

Greg Kolack wrote:
I get the idea her "article" and involvement in this thread has done exactly what she planned it to do - an enormous amount of traffic to her site that she would not have gotten otherwise. 9 pages worth here and probably hundreds, if not thousands of visits.

So while everyone is bashing her and making comments on her site that she simply is deleting, everyone is falling neatly into her ploy and giving her the attention she was looking for - so who is the idiot? Her for writing this, or us for being tricked into giving her the attention she wanted?

I actually don't think this is the work of a clueless moron everyone is claiming - I think it's the work of a savvy PR ploy.

The OP is on her friends list!   
She is on his friends list!
It looks like a conspiracy!

g r e g g o r i o  wrote:
Bella Petite is the "go to " for  FASHION!

all the 4' 9" llamas already know this!

PS - the are  REALLY BIG IN JAPAN!

 

... oh wait, you're serious aren't you

Jay Pegg wrote:
I was at a fashion magazine head office a while back. I was wearing my MM t-shirt. When they saw it the editor went to the website of one of the photographers listed by H3D whereupon they all started laughing at that photographer's work which says something about how MM, and the people on it, is perceived by the UK fashion media.

Why in god's name would you wear an MM t-shirt to a fashion mag office?

Why in god's name would you wear a t-shirt to a fashion mag office?

Luminos wrote:

Why in god's name would you wear an MM t-shirt to a fashion mag office?

Why in god's name would you wear a t-shirt to a fashion mag office?

  Yes, WHY?

Luminos wrote:

Why in god's name would you wear an MM t-shirt to a fashion mag office?

Why in god's name would you wear a t-shirt to a fashion mag office?

Actually, I forgot I had it on, I was just dropping in to deliver some photos from LFW to the ed who's a friend of mine. He also offered me an 8 page spread which, very annoyingly, I had to turn down.

Jay Pegg wrote:
I was at a fashion magazine head office a while back. I was wearing my MM t-shirt. When they saw it the editor went to the website of one of the photographers listed by H3D whereupon they all started laughing at that photographer's work which says something about how MM, and the people on it, is perceived by the UK fashion media.

Ouch.

Renard Photography wrote:
I was sent this article
There is Irony in the air I think,.

just passing it along don't shoot the messenger.  If someone else posted this already you have my apologies.

http://bellapetite.com/model-mayhem-for … l-ego.html

PLEASE CHECK THE CORRECTIONS TO SEE WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE AND DIDN'T WRITE BEFORE PERSONALLY BASHING ME. (its in a blue box) The article was a collab piece and the correct writer has been listed. Thanks to the few people who didn't personally bash me.
   I WAS ASKED TO HELP COLLAB ON A PIECE ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A WORKING MODEL AND THE DANGERS OF SOME SITES SUCH AS MODEL MAYHEM TO HELP ASPIRING MODELS.
   NOW THE ARTICLE IS CORRECTED AND I HOPE YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT I WAS NOT TRYING BE BASH ANYONE JUST HELP!   


God Bless you all!
Angela Phillips

Angela G Phillips wrote:
PLEASE CHECK THE CORRECTIONS TO SEE WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE AND DIDN'T WRITE BEFORE PERSONALLY BASHING ME. (its in a blue box) The article was a collab piece and the correct writer has been listed. Thanks to the few people who didn't personally bash me.
   I WAS ASKED TO HELP COLLAB ON A PIECE ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A WORKING MODEL AND THE DANGERS OF SOME SITES SUCH AS MODEL MAYHEM TO HELP ASPIRING MODELS.
   NOW THE ARTICLE IS CORRECTED AND I HOPE YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT I WAS NOT TRYING BE BASH ANYONE JUST HELP!   


God Bless you all!
Angela Phillips

I might suggest you actually read what WE wrote here. You obviously started this to people to a site which makes lame and innacurate promises to young girls about the fashion industry. Talk about a scam. Maybe you could advise them CORRECTLY rather than push your BS argument that you think you're going to change a whole worldwide industry because you weren't born with attributes to fit into it.
I also wish you'd spend time on your own site moderating messages rather than trying to justify unjustifiable behavior.

What I wrote on your site:
I find it completely ironic that a website which caters to “models” under 5’5″ tall who aspire to be fashion models would try to bash one of the most successful modeling sites on the Internet today. Your lack of understanding about the site borders on retardation.

I might suggest you create a website next to cater to all the 48 year old white guys under 5’7″ tall who aspire to be NBA centers.

The Article wrote:
One of the most misleading model-oriented websites on the internet is called Model Mayhem.

How is Model Mayhem misleading people?

The Article wrote:
This is simply a website that takes advantage of those hoping to break into the fashion and entertainment industry through enticing subscribers with paid memberships to view your photos.

With FREE portfolios? How is offering free membership taking advantage of people?

The Article wrote:
A fashion photographer familiar with the site says, “Model Mayhem has destroyed the meaning of what a real model is and it has made every girl feel like she can be a model because her pictures are posted.”  This photographer goes on to say, “Model Mayhem is a known dating website and is a sexual predators dream to entice women to take their clothes off, all in the pursuit of becoming a model.”

Care to name this un-named source so you can have some credibility? Is it your friend who posted the link to your article in the first place?



I'm VERY glad to see you took out some of the more nasty references you made to the talent here on Model Mayhem, but you are still very much wrong with your assertions and accusations.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
The OP is on her friends list!   
She is on his friends list!
It looks like a conspiracy!

Totally!

Actually she was very nice about it and tried to explain her side of the story.  I was pretty amazed that she even has a site on this god forsaken evil depraved site.  But she friended me even though I may have brought down lightning and actually like this site.

I have been active in trying to shut scams down in this business for a long time, I've been around for a while and done a few things to do right by our business, this was just too much Irony and the sad fact is that scams will always be around as long as there are people who are gullible, stupid, too lazy to check up on things or so egotistic that they will believe the flattery poured into them even as they are emptied of their money.

This site and the internet in general is like the real world, there are some nice parts and some parts where caution is advised, but it is the only world we have (for now) and we should embrace it.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Hi, Chili,

I would disagree.  MM is a great place to be seen here's why.
A stand alone site very often has little to no traffic.  Why would
anyone go there but a site like this one or omp or MI.  Offers models
and photographers a way to be seen cheap or free.  No, Ford or DNA
or Click isn't looking here for talent but....

I know for a fact several models have booked decent non nude work
here;  fashion and commercial.  I know some shooters who have
had Art directors see their work here and contacted them.  One of our
alumni was in Zoom magazine a few months back several have been
featured in American Photo, Photo (The French version) as well as
PDN.

A Black nude art model was featured on the cover of NUDE magazine.
I recall a NY model being found here and then signed to a agency.
Her profile is gone now.  This isn't to say that its common for models
here to do much beyond working with goofs like me but being seen
is the key and can lead to good things.

tony, im sorry but i do not "recall" any of those events taking place, im not saying they didnt, but they werent big enough 'news' to be seen by me at least, i would really be interested in seeing a thread of tear sheets from people who were "found" on MM

that being said, i have "found" and used only 2 models in the 5-6 years ive been here to appear in a magazine, now i have used "many" other models from MM for magazine work, or MBFW work, etc but i did not "find" them here on MM first, is the point im making, they gave me their MM#'s after the fact, to turn around and say put a portfolio on MM and you will be discovered/seen by Elite, Ford, IMG, Ed Hardy, True Religion, Vogue, Editors, casting agents, etc etc is more of a scam/ploy

what MM should concentrate on billing themselves as more truthfully, is that MM is the premiere place to for the serious hobbyist and enthusiasts to meet, and learn, and network with some professionals who have accounts here

imagine me trying to recruit HS athletes to play on my football team in the Bayside Queens flag/touch league and promising them that NFL pro scouts and college scouts will see them...now there are some former NFL players and college players in the league i play in, but they werent discovered in the league is the point

Angela G Phillips wrote:
PLEASE CHECK THE CORRECTIONS TO SEE WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE AND DIDN'T WRITE BEFORE PERSONALLY BASHING ME. (its in a blue box) The article was a collab piece and the correct writer has been listed. Thanks to the few people who didn't personally bash me.
   I WAS ASKED TO HELP COLLAB ON A PIECE ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A WORKING MODEL AND THE DANGERS OF SOME SITES SUCH AS MODEL MAYHEM TO HELP ASPIRING MODELS.
   NOW THE ARTICLE IS CORRECTED AND I HOPE YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT I WAS NOT TRYING BE BASH ANYONE JUST HELP!   


God Bless you all!
Angela Phillips

On October 5th, 2010 BellaPetite.com published an article which you wrote.  The public at large knows that you wrote the article because your name appeared as the byline:



I am now confused.

Are you saying that you did NOT write the article and only claimed that you were responsible by signing your name as the author? 

As of this evening it appears that, Ann Lauren, Editor-in-CHIEF (sic) wrote the article, not you.  If Ms. Lauren felt that you were a co-author, it is customary to provide that credit.  Given her position with BellaPetite.com, it can only be assumed that she wrote the article alone.



I am going to leave the question of the article's authorship and your motivation for claiming authorship alone for the moment. Given the poor grammar consistent within the article(s) and bellapetite.com, I will also forgo the larger discussions of intellectual integrity, plagiarism, and the patent disingenuous attack on ModelMayhem members and management.

What I find truly objectionable is the consistent invocation of the Lord and/or God on in your written communication.   

Having been raised within Christian Orthodoxy, I'm pretty comfortable with interpreting the ideals espoused by Christianity as being extremely concerned with personal integrity and truth.





I am curious how you are able to rescind the apparent inconstancy of both deed and word with respect to your now disputed authorship and the banner of Light you choose to wave?

If you didn't write the article, why would you have allowed your name to be used as the author credit?

Last question if you really feel the way that you say that you do (which sounds to me like you wrote the article), why haven't you had the integrity to close your profile on Model Mayhem?

shadowscaught wrote:
... why haven't you had the integrity to close your profile on Model Mayhem?

It is ironic that anyone with such complaints about Modelmayhem would stick around, huh?

In addition to being a photographer, I am also a writer and so I have something to say about this.  Words and images are magnified by use of the Internet.  We can now spread information through out the World at lightening speed. Sensationalism has taken priority while accuracy, respect, and integrity were left behind long ago.  The price of speed and sensationalism has been a lack of sustainability. Truths, half truths and lies shall be replaced by new information while most words written have lost impact.  No one will remember much of any of this thread given enough time. 

Will Modelmayhem outlast Bellapetite?  Time will tell!

Chili wrote:
i would really be interested in seeing a thread of tear sheets from people who were "found" on MM

take a look at my covers and editorial pieces, about 1/2 were people I had met on MM. Nickie was liked so much by the creative director he booked her for their food issue, using wardrobe made by another person found on MM.

My MUA contacts were all made through MM.

Kelly, who is coming out in November of Pasadena magazine was booked through her agency, but I first worked with her through MM.

The Article wrote:
A fashion photographer familiar with the site says, “Model Mayhem has destroyed the meaning of what a real model is and it has made every girl feel like she can be a model because her pictures are posted.”  This photographer goes on to say, “Model Mayhem is a known dating website and is a sexual predators dream to entice women to take their clothes off, all in the pursuit of becoming a model.”

BodyPainter Rich wrote:
Care to name this un-named source so you can have some credibility? Is it your friend who posted the link to your article in the first place?

Photographer Peter Baratti was quoted extensively in that article, though I cannot say for certain that he said the above comments.  The authors of the article are so busy with censoring, soon there will be no article left.

BodyPainter Rich wrote:
I'm VERY glad to see you took out some of the more nasty references you made to the talent here on Model Mayhem, but you are still very much wrong with your assertions and accusations.

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Angela G Phillips wrote:
Hello All. It is me, the one responsible for the article on Bella Petite.

First, I want to apologize for any one that I offended as that was not my intentions!
  After a discussion with a few models who had been scammed on Model Mayhem and a few things that happened on set for an editorial for Dalia MacPhee, I was asked to write the article to try to bring clarity.

I will be the first to say that I use model mayhem but I now know what is legit, worth the time, etc.  I WAS NOT BASHING ANYBODY ON MODEL MAYHEM AS THEIR ARE TONS OF TALENTED MODELS, PHOTOGS, MUAS, HAIRSTYLISTS, ETC.
  BUT we all know there is tons of room for scams, work that is sketchy, and a great place for predators.
My hopes are the mm will start allowing agencies, publications, etc so we can make it more legit.
I can honestly say I am trying to help others as much as myself and would never try to hurt anyone. 
Anybody who knows me can say how helpful, kind, humble, and caring that I am.

I truly apologize to anyone I have offended and wish every single one of you the best.
  What we are trying to do with Bella Petite is get the industry to realize that 70% of women in the US are 5'7 and under, holding 10million in buying power...so we need to tap into this market to create more opportunity for everyone involved.

  GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

Angela Phillips

suuuuure.