Stephen Markman wrote:
Huh?

What?

You NEED to have a Release?

Whoever is shooting you determines whether they need you to sign a release.  And, if they determine that they DO need a Release, they will provide it.  Often, they will require you AND your parent to sign the form.

But, I have never heard of a photographer expecting a model to provide HIM/HER with a Release.

It's not your job.

You may want to clarify WHY you think this is the case.  You may also need to contact the photographer for further clarification.

^^This^^

Stephen Markman wrote:
Huh?

What?

You NEED to have a Release?

Whoever is shooting you determines whether they need you to sign a release.  And, if they determine that they DO need a Release, they will provide it.  Often, they will require you AND your parent to sign the form.

But, I have never heard of a photographer expecting a model to provide HIM/HER with a Release.

It's not your job.

my mom is not going so I just wanted to give him a release for permission from her.

You may want to clarify WHY you think this is the case.  You may also need to contact the photographer for further clarification.

London Sinclair wrote:

The odds of a photographer worth his weight in salt signing a release you hand them is extremely slim to none.

Again, you ought contact him to get this straight.

Cherrystone wrote:

The odds of a photographer worth his weight in salt signing a release you hand them is extremely slim to none.

Again, you ought contact him to get this straight.

I don't want him to sign it, I want my mom to sign it to show shes giving me permission

London Sinclair wrote:
I don't want him to sign it, I want my mom to sign it to show shes giving me permission

Ahem....I don't think your catching the point here. HE needs to supply you with the release to sign.

Good releases are crafted by and approved by attorneys for many photographers. They will NOT likely sign anything you provide him with. Release are structured in different ways depending on the situation.

For that matter, has it been indicated by the photographer he is expecting a release from you?

Call or write him, and ask him how he wants to handle it.

Vito wrote:
You're all missing the point. She's really looking for a permission slip to have her mom sign that she knows what is going on.

That's probably why release is in the thread title, right?

Aoxomedia wrote:
So you're not going to have a major there for the shoot itself. That could be OK in the UK ( maybe ) but I'm not sure it's OK in the US of A. But I'm prepared to be proved wrong.

BTW good luck with the shoot - you have potential in my eyes.

Ive shot untold minors for senior portraits without a parent being there.

JoshuaDavisPhotography wrote:
Typically model release forms for minors are signed by a parent - you don't need a permission slip to shoot with another photographer.

you cannot speak for all photographers when you say that. I am certain that there are a few floating around who will demand permission slips for all minors that they shoot. You may think it foolish but who cares what you think? If that photographer demands a permission slip from models who are not accompanied by a parent..it's their right to make it a condition.  And the model's choice to either comply or find another shoot.

JennMichelle wrote:
Your mother should be signing the photographer's release, as you are not old enough to legally sign for yourself. If she isn't going to the shoot, you need to have it sent to you ahead of time.

+1

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
you cannot speak for all photographers when you say that. I am certain that there are a few floating around who will demand permission slips for all minors that they shoot. You may think it foolish but who cares what you think? If that photographer demands a permission slip from models who are not accompanied by a parent..it's their right to make it a condition.  And the model's choice to either comply or find another shoot.

Don't be so quick to think people are being judgmental. I require that the parent be present when working with minors, I realize others might have lower standards and some might think I'm being overzealous, I'm just trying to give some general advice.

London Sinclair wrote:
I have a shoot tomorrow and I need to have a release form signed by my mom giving me permission to shoot. can someone or a few of you email me what you use. I'll message you my email address if you can help. Thanks

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A "Minor Model Release" is a little different and many photographers don't keep those handy.  They should but some don't. 

Here is a link where you can find a "Minor Model Release"

Minor Model Release

ei Total Productions wrote:
Why are we beating this girl up.  It sounds like the photographer had told her she needs a release signed by her parent if she wants to shoot with him.  It sounds like the photographer hasn't provided it.

It could well be that the photographer is the one at fault here, not the OP.

But in the MM world this is just anther excuse to argue about shooting minors, parental consent, escorts, 2257, and what is/isn't age appropriate.

ei Total Productions wrote:
Why are we beating this girl up.  It sounds like the photographer had told her she needs a release signed by her parent if she wants to shoot with him.  It sounds like the photographer hasn't provided it.

It could well be that the photographer is the one at fault here, not the OP.

I think I'm just fun to beat up.

ei Total Productions wrote:
Why are we beating this girl up.  It sounds like the photographer had told her she needs a release signed by her parent if she wants to shoot with him.  It sounds like the photographer hasn't provided it.

It could well be that the photographer is the one at fault here, not the OP.

Could you please point out where anyone is beating her up?  Unless you consider correcting her and informing her as to how the industry works as "beating her up."

She isn't a "girl."  she is a 17-year-old young woman, more than capable of searching these forums, the internet, or reading up and getting accurate info on her own.

Don't defend her inability to do her own research by attacking those who are attempting to correct her.


The the OP:
The photographer either wants you to have a guardian with you at the shoot to sign his release, or you need to go back to him and ask him for his release.

Most likely he won't accept you bringing a signed release with you as he hasn't witnessed the signing of the document and anyone could have signed it.

(PS: all of that can be found just by searching the forums)

End answer: Go back and ask the photographer.  It is his shoot, not our's.

London Sinclair wrote:

I think I'm just fun to beat up.

Pretty easy target.

If the photographer needs your mom to sign something, he should provide it. Does he require a model release from your mom or do you simply want to bring a permission slip just in case he asks?

Cherrystone wrote:

Ive shot untold minors for senior portraits without a parent being there.

I don't know your business model, but I wouldn't think you'd need released images for senior portraits. No?

John

ei Total Productions wrote:
Why are we beating this girl up.  It sounds like the photographer had told her she needs a release signed by her parent if she wants to shoot with him.  It sounds like the photographer hasn't provided it.

It could well be that the photographer is the one at fault here, not the OP.

David Cajio Photography wrote:
Could you please point out where anyone is beating her up?  Unless you consider correcting her and informing her as to how the industry works as "beating her up."

I'm sorry, I have read most of this thread.  The tone of the posts speak for themself.  I agree with you, entirely that most of the posters here are trying to correct her.  The problem is that A) the language of the posts have all been harsh; and B) nobody has explained to her, in simple terms, and in a single post, what the issue is here.  It is all bits of pieces which sound like "Hey dummy, don't you get it?"

I read her post and it was quite clear what was going on.  She has a shoot tomorrow and she is shooting with some naive photographer whose been reading the MM forums.  He's dutifully demanding a release, signed by the parent, because that is what he has been told to do.  He has no idea what a release is for, if he actually needs one, if he needs one, why he needs it and why he would need a parental signature.  He just knows (at least in his mind) that he has to have one of these mystical documents or the sky will fall if he shoots her.

He in turn tells her he won't shoot her unless he brings one.  The poor OP, trying to do what she is been told she has to do, comes to the forum and seeks help.  She is only 17.  We have 50 year old photographers here who have no idea what a release is for, when it is needed and why you need it when you do.  If so many photographers here don't understand, why would we expect the OP to understand?

Stephen started the thread trying to explain it all to her, but I don't think he realized that the photographer was clueless.     From there the thread just devolved into harsh words repeatedly telling her the same thing, which she probably understands now, but never got to the root of the whole issue.  The photographer has no idea why he is asking for a release, and if he did, he would provide her with one to sign.

So London, do you get it?

John Allan wrote:

I don't know your business model, but I wouldn't think you'd need released images for senior portraits. No?

John

if you are going to use them in any public way, yes you do.   No different than with shooting models.

ei Total Productions wrote:

ei Total Productions wrote:
Why are we beating this girl up.  It sounds like the photographer had told her she needs a release signed by her parent if she wants to shoot with him.  It sounds like the photographer hasn't provided it.

It could well be that the photographer is the one at fault here, not the OP.

I'm sorry, I have read most of this thread.  The tone of the posts speak for themself.  I agree with you, entirely that most of the posters here are trying to correct her.  The problem is that A) the language of the posts have all been harsh; and B) nobody has explained to her, in simple terms, and in a single post, what the issue is here.  It is all bits of pieces which sound like "Hey dummy, don't you get it?"

I read her post and it was quite clear what was going on.  She has a shoot tomorrow and she is shooting with some naive photographer whose been reading the MM forums.  He's dutifully demanding a release, signed by the parent, because that is what he has been told to do.  He has no idea what a release is for, if he actually needs one, if he needs one, why he needs it and why he would need a parental signature.  He just knows (at least in his mind) that he has to have one of these mystical documents or the sky will fall if he shoots her.

He in turn tells her he won't shoot her unless he brings one.  The poor OP, trying to do what she is been told she has to do, comes to the forum and seeks help.  She is only 17.  We have 50 year old photographers here who have no idea what a release is for, when it is needed and why you need it when you do.  If so many photographers here don't understand, why would we expect the OP to understand?

Stephen started the thread trying to explain it all to her, but I don't think he realized that the photographer was clueless.     From there the thread just devolved into harsh words repeatedly telling her the same thing, which she probably understands now, but never got to the root of the whole issue.  The photographer has no idea why he is asking for a release, and if he did, he would provide her with one to sign.

So London, do you get it?

+1. It def seems the photog is the confused one if he required you to bring this, because anyone can sign that and just bring it to a shoot with them, so it's not exactly the best way to go about getting permission to shoot a minor. It seems you need to speak with the photographer asap and figure out what it really is he needs. Good luck with your shoot! You're a gorgeous girl ^_^

London Sinclair wrote:

I don't want him to sign it, I want my mom to sign it to show shes giving me permission

lol this is a PERMISSION SLIP, not a release

I think you are taking the word "Release" too literally, it isn't unchaining a leash on your neck from a fence

R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
lol this is a PERMISSION SLIP, not a release

I think you are taking the word "Release" too literally, it isn't unchaining a leash on your neck from a fence

Not to cause a stir, but what would a permission slip really show anyway? Does Target ask for one when a minor comes in and goes shopping? Does White Castle demand one when a minor comes in and gets a crave case?

Seems kind of odd here.



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

f11 Productions  wrote:
Model Release Agreement for a Minor

Yeah, but if the dude doesn't know what he is doing, and/or doesn't know why he needs something like that, then why reward him with more rights when all it seems he really wants is a permission slip thing to say it's ok for her to be there?



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
Not to cause a stir, but what would a permission slip really show anyway? Does Target ask for one when a minor comes in and goes shopping? Does White Castle demand one when a minor comes in and gets a crave case?

Seems kind of odd here.



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Really? seriously? now you're being silly. A minor can't sign a release, a parent has to, because they are not of age to sign a legal document. So if that is the case, why would it be so stupid to think that you would need a parent's permission to attend the shoot in the first place? Like others have said there are most likely photographers out there who require parent's permission for their own safety.  My whole point is, if the parent is acting as the second legal party in a photoshoot for a minor, it is not so crazy to think that some photogs require parent's permission in the first place?

Cait Chan wrote:
Really? seriously? now you're being silly. A minor can't sign a release, a parent has to, because they are not of age to sign a legal document. So if that is the case, why would it be so stupid to think that you would need a parent's permission to attend the shoot in the first place? Like others have said there are most likely photographers out there who require parent's permission for their own safety. It is quite possible for someone to turn around a try to sue a photog if they feel their child was put into something compromising, or sold their prints without an agreement etc. My whole point is, if the parent is acting as the second legal party in a photoshoot for a minor, it is not so crazy to think that some photogs require parent's permission in the first place?

It's possible for them to sue even if a permission slip is signed. Also, I'm not quite sure how a release (in it's traditional and virgin form) would protect someone from being sued.

Meh, I'll just PM someone about this.



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

f11 Productions  wrote:
Model Release Agreement for a Minor

The parties to this release agreement are:

Names:________________________________________________________

Physical Address: ___________________________________________

Telephone Number and Email Address: _______________________

(Hereinafter referred to as "the Parent/Guardian" and contracting on behalf of the Minor named below)

Names:________________________________________________________

(Hereinafter referred to as "the Model")

AND

Names:________________________________________________________

Physical Address: ___________________________________________

Telephone Number and Email Address: _______________________

(Hereinafter referred to as "the Photographer")

Whereas for valuable consideration hereby acknowledged as received, the Parent/Guardian on behalf of the Model granted the Photographer permission to photograph and/or film and sound record the Model and furthermore grant permission to use the resulting work ("theWork") according to the terms stated hereunder:

1.    Any permission granted to the Photographer shall extend to his/her successors, legal representatives, licensees and assigns and shall be irrevocable and perpetual without any further or additional claim for compensation by either the Model or the Parent/Guardian.

2.    Permission is specifically granted for the Work to be edited, altered, distorted, used in whole or in part, in conjunction with other images, graphics, text and sound in any way whatsoever and without restrictions.

3.    Permission herein granted is absolute and final and shall not be subject to further inspection or approval by either the Model or Parent/Guardian at any stage in the use of the Work.

4.    Use of the Work shall be unrestricted as to location, quantity or frequency, may be for any purpose and in any medium whatsoever, whether foreseen or unforeseen at this time, except where such use is in contravention of the law.

5.    Use of the Work may be in conjunction with the Model's own or fictitious names.

6.    The Photographer shall own all rights in the Work which shall accrue to the benefit of his/her successors, legal representatives and assigns.

7.    Notwithstanding the above, the following uses are specifically noted and agreed to, and specific exclusions for use listed here shall take precedence and restrict the use of the Work accordingly:

8.    The Parent/Guardian warrants having read and understood this Model Release Agreement and warrants being the Parent or legally appointed Guardian of the Model, and being of legal age and competency and with every right to enter into an agreement on behalf of the Model.

9.    With full knowledge of the above, the Parent/Guardian acting on behalf of the Model here by releases and shall hold harmless the Photographer and his/her successors, legal representatives, licensees and assigns from all claims or damages including but not limited to defamation or violation of right of privacy or publicity, resulting from or associated with the use of the Work.

10.    The Parent/Guardian agrees that the provisions contained herein shall be binding upon the Parent/Guardian and Model as well as their collective successors, legal representatives and assigns.

11. This Agreement shall be construed, interpreted and governed in accordance with the laws of the State of ___________ and should any provision of this Agreement be judged by an appropriate court as invalid, it shall not affect any of the remaining provisions whatsoever.

12.    The parties agree that any or all parts of this agreement may be submitted to the other party in legible and recordable electronic form and upon acknowledgment of receipt by the receiving party shall become valid parts of the agreement.

Signed at __________________ on this _____day of ___________________20____

Parent's/Guardian's Signature: _______________________________

Signed at __________________ on this _____day of ___________________20____

Photographer's Signature: _______________________________

This only a moron would sign.

try this.
http://www.dpcorner.com/all_about/releases.shtml
http://www.nyip.com/ezine/techtips/model-release.html
http://www.danheller.com/model-release-primer.html
http://www.lawdepot.com/contracts/model-release-form/