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Falsely saying "worked with Vogue Italia" ~rant~
I don't rant so this is a first. Through different posts here, we've voted for each others pix on a gallery open to submissions for showing your work on the Vogue Italia web site. Very cool way to get some pix in a high profile web site , and the images ( small jpgs) are water marked with the cool Vogue Italia logo. I haven't posted any yet but will. So yesterday I saw a MM photographer in England, saying they worked for numerous magazines including Vogue Italia. There they had posted an image, they retrieved the image, and are using that for false promotion of work. Misleading models etc, in my opinion is fraud. I remember all too well when I left Vancouver , all the local photographers would say , oh I worked in Europe, for so many months. In the end the truth was they were on holidays, traveling around with a back pack, shooting some snaps, doing some tests. Never did they work here, especially not in Paris. It is not that easy. Very few really came to Paris and ever worked! Yet this probably still continues today. There are few MM photographers who have or ever will work with Vogue Italia. As much as we'd all like to! Now how do you feel about photographers lying about themselves, to convince others of their greatness that doesn't exist? /rant May 16 11 10:41 pm Link Same way I feel about lying about their age weight etc lol.. May 16 11 10:48 pm Link
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Reason: violates rules Comments: Spam May 16 11 10:49 pm Link I understand your frustration Neil. May 16 11 10:51 pm Link I've submitted to Vogue Italia website but no, it's not right to say based on that, that you're been published or worked with vogue italia. although they do choose photo of the day. if your image was chosen, would you say you've been 'published' on vogue italia's website?......hmmm May 16 11 10:51 pm Link WTF (mate)? May 16 11 10:51 pm Link Caveat emptor It is the internet, too. While a bit unsavory, it is not unexpected. "I worked for National Geographic" could mean I went door-to-door trying to sell their magazine. Résumés without references are not worth much, and a boastful claim without a portfolio to back it up is just that. May 16 11 10:53 pm Link Neil Snape wrote: I'm used to it. There are plenty of egos going around. Most i know they are jive talking as soon as they open their mouths. In fact, there are quite a few who hang around here is you have noticed them? May 16 11 11:00 pm Link Published with classic print magazines isn't the same as on line or web stuff. Even picture of the day is not published, it's just a blog post. Until there is a wide subscription base for on line magazines, I'm not going to consider anything I've done for any on line magazine to be published. Even if I post to Vogue Italia , and if I won the prestigious honour of picture of the day, I cannot consider that to be published. Since I have worked for oh so many world wide ad campaigns just because the ads were published in Vogue, etc , does that say that I can list them? Nope, if one lists magazines, you need to have done a published editorial series. Yet times are changing. Still does this go beyond simple misleading? May 16 11 11:01 pm Link I've been published in a few vogues around the world...never seen the pics in print,but I have been payed for them.I don't say I have been "published in Vogue"...because they were press photos of zero artistic talent. I can even say I have worked in Paris...but only once of quality lol.But worked in France plenty...but yet again I don't advertise it because it is pretty much crap rent paying work of zero artistic value...I might only be two hours from Paris but my location SUXS!!!. "Still does this go beyond simple misleading?" ...probably. May 16 11 11:21 pm Link Neil Snape wrote: I wouldnt have the balls to say I had worked for Vogue Italia unless I had been hired for a legit editorial.... submitting on their website & claiming that equates to working for VI is BS! May 17 11 12:15 am Link Neil Snape wrote: Hell yes. Very misleading. May 17 11 12:21 am Link Know Idea wrote: What would you do about very misleading? May 17 11 12:26 am Link Neil Snape wrote: I lose respect for such people who say they worked in PARIS, when really, they were just tourists. Very sad. I keep running into such photographers that think they are great, when really, anyone can buy DSLR these days and start 'shooting.' I have it too, but I don't go around saying I am a photographer. May 17 11 12:33 am Link S de Varax wrote: I would say published online vs. published in magazine. There is a big difference on what goes into their magazine and online. Ehhh... May 17 11 12:35 am Link Neil Snape wrote: "Anybody can be anybody on the INTERNET... and that includes MM." May 17 11 12:37 am Link Know Idea wrote: Neil Snape wrote: Hard to say. It is M/M after all; where heros in their own mind May 17 11 12:39 am Link Neil Snape wrote: Um, post a rant on MM? May 17 11 12:43 am Link KamillaF wrote: Images posted to on line vote style galleries are NOT published period. May 17 11 12:43 am Link Yeah it is a nice watermark. I got a few on their site. I know you can translate it but it is nice to practice reading Italian. Especially the part about if they do no approve some of your pics after a couple of days, you should delete them. Sounds slightly less severe in Italian. lol. As to your topic, yes it is very misleading to use that as a credit. May 17 11 12:44 am Link Raoul Isidro Imaging wrote: I just do that because people tend to run away screaming when they see my face May 17 11 12:49 am Link Frozen Instant Imagery wrote: Exactly. Nothing bothers me more than false representation luring models for exploitation or worse. May 17 11 12:50 am Link Neil...Don't worry about it. Not worth the waste of energy. You know as well as I, that all you need to do in most cases is just look at the images to know if that person was published in VOGUE, Harper's BAZAAR, ELLE etc. It is a VERY SMALL world and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to find out the truth. Believe me Neil, I know. In fact, I was once at a club in Paris and I was with a group of people and about two persons over from me was a girl who was claiming emphatically that she just worked with me for BAZAAR etc, well what did I do,I turned to her and said "I overheard you just worked for BAZAAR! Wow that's great, congratulations!" I turned back and thought, wow that must have made her day. But I have no recollection of ever working with her. May 17 11 01:05 am Link yeah...I see alot of people on FB posting thier 'Vogue italia' contest pics and images and saying they've been published on Vogue Italia... I never go and burst thier bubble and say its just a website contest.. but sometimes, the responses they get from people make me cringe abit.... I have entered that contest and have photos on there but I'm not going around parading that I am published in Vogue italia... I know that would totally be a lie.. and they do to..they just don't care.. May 17 11 02:09 am Link so, what youre saying is, I can be published in Italian Vogue? awesome. [sarcasm] im with neal on this. May 17 11 02:22 am Link Don't get me wrong. I will someday post to the gallery , I read via FB Vogue Italia daily , I grew up with the same magazine spending a fortune buying it in Vancouver. I actually suggest people do post there. I also think it is very cool to have the logo in the images saved out and use them for what you will. The danger and the thing that bugs me is listing Vogue Italia in a profile page, in a way that to me , is luring, lying, and done on purpose to do something that is way beyond self flattery. Same goes for any who purport to shoot for say Playboy and to be able to get "models" in there, when all along they're trying to get into somewhere else. And that is just the beginning. May 17 11 02:31 am Link This is like photographers who have a couple of paparazzi shots on their ports of famous actors, maybe walking down the street or making a public appearance somewhere, and then say stuff like "I shot with so-and-so." It just makes them look like they have fragile little egos and delusions of grandeur. May 17 11 02:36 am Link Valentine Laroche wrote: Yup agreed. May 17 11 02:43 am Link I don't think photographers can actually use the vogue italia logo on their images anywhere else except on the vogue italia website or else it'll be considered trademark infringement May 17 11 02:52 am Link Point taken but I know at least two photographers here who HAVE been published in Italian Vogue and I have seen them. Had the privilige of working with one of them. So that is just my experience so it is possible! May 17 11 02:56 am Link S de Varax wrote: You're probably right. May 17 11 02:58 am Link I work in Europe all the time. Well ... does TFCD count? May 17 11 02:58 am Link Just out of interest - have you ever won Neil ? May 17 11 03:01 am Link Eliza C wrote: Point being? May 17 11 03:03 am Link
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