Forums > Critique > Your Worst image. Ask and I'll tell you why.

Model

Christina Josephine

Posts: 121

Warsaw, Indiana, US

ikonas wrote:

Welcome to MM Josephine. You've got already a great start on your port. Keep in mind that a port is always stonger if it does not include variants - see rule [1] provided in the guidelines of my original post on page 1 of this forum. Thus, I recommend removing images 2 and 3 as the related fan image is stronger.

You have several very strong images, this one is one of them for your intense expression and beauty.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121018/15/50807f2d0330e_m.jpg

Good luck!

Thank you so much for the advice. I'll start cleaning house!

Oct 28 12 06:38 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Maria Panina wrote:
I'd like to hear your opinion

Hello Maria, please note that I have already reviewed your port on page 4

Oct 28 12 06:47 pm Link

Model

Winnie L

Posts: 5868

Singapore, Singapore, Singapore

Do tell.

Oct 28 12 08:37 pm Link

Photographer

Apples Photography

Posts: 1

London, England, United Kingdom

Ok Lets Hear it ?

Oct 29 12 08:05 am Link

Model

Megan Camille

Posts: 40

Honolulu, Hawaii, US

me!

Oct 29 12 09:39 am Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Winnie L wrote:
Do tell.

Hello Winnie,
I think most ports can be greatly improved by eliminating the use of composite images, including your port. Composite is likely to be judged by its worst image. See rule [1] in my original post on page 1. Now I am not going to ask you to delete them, but avoid them in the future. For example in this collage I think it would be better if you posted only the bottom image
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101106/06/4cd55b8a019ea_m.jpg


Ditto for this image - the bottom one is by far the best
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091027/22/4ae7cfe14e096_m.jpg

And this one as as well. Top two images are ok, but the bottom one is superb
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110524/20/4ddc70ea76d1f_m.jpg

You.ve got several great images including this one for your pose and the light providing a great ambiance
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100706/23/4c34236c512e5_m.jpg

And this portrait is superb
\https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100621/04/4c1f4d98b9a4d_m.jpg

Oct 29 12 10:18 am Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Apples Photography wrote:
Ok Lets Hear it ?

Greetings Mr Apples, since you seem to be just starting out, I will try to be gentle. I prose deleting the three bare breasted ladies images. These seem just nudies, with no unique concept behind. The ladies are beautiful, but the photography is mediocre. Keep shooting, keep reading and I know you will grow and get better. I was there before.

I find this image superb on several levels including her beauty, makeup, and great light. Keep shooting like that.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121029/07/508e9815921ff_m.jpg


This image is creative and fun
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121027/04/508bbfda7b4cc_m.jpg

Oct 29 12 10:24 am Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Megan Camille wrote:
me!

Welcom to MM Megan,
You seem to be on the right track. Your stats are great, the photography is technically good, your poses and expressions are quite strong. Perhaps delete this one as the sister image is very similar
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121029/08/508ea5ab59c89_m.jpg

I love this portrait as it is captivating and your beauty is natural, down to earth.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121029/09/508ea8ad9ddf7_m.jpg

Have fun

Oct 29 12 10:29 am Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

HERE IS A TIP FOLKS: Hide all your images except keeping your top 20. Take note how much your port has improved. (You can recall hidden images anytime)

Oct 29 12 10:33 am Link

Makeup Artist

ImageBeautique

Posts: 169

Sheffield, England, United Kingdom

Once your back at it id love to know your thoughts

Thankyou!!

Oct 29 12 01:16 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

ImageBeautique wrote:
Once your back at it id love to know your thoughts

Thankyou!!

Thanks for stopping by. I love compact ports and yours is one of them. You show a range of your beautiful work quite effectively. Truthfully I would not remove any image. Besides your AVI which of course is superb, I would also like to highlight this portrait for the makeup, light and beauty
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121018/14/508075990ed74_m.jpg

Oct 31 12 04:28 pm Link

Model

Rochelle Remy

Posts: 54

Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

me please :-)

Oct 31 12 05:17 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Rochelle Remy wrote:
me please :-)

Greetings Rochelle and welcome to MM!
You have some great images however you've got few weak ones and variants that need to go to help move your port a notch up.

Firstly delete this and few more in this series of images which feture you in the same dress, even though it it a lovely classy one. In this particular image your expression is weak
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121030/12/5090261848633_m.jpg

Keep this one in the series as I love your attitute and it nicely displays your thin waist
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121030/12/50902920a02c3_m.jpg


And keep this one too, but remove the rest - rule [1] in my original post
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121031/15/5091aac99ae1a_m.jpg

I think you should also can this one as it makes you look quite older and is not flattering to your beauty
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121031/15/5091aa43ca6d1_m.jpg

I absolutely love your expression and beauty here.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120102/20/4f02871506f47_m.jpg

Oct 31 12 07:14 pm Link

Photographer

Matt 333

Posts: 54

Fairfax, Virginia, US

Great idea. Looking forward to your comments.

Nov 01 12 07:47 am Link

Model

Kimmi Fox

Posts: 81

London, England, United Kingdom

Not sure if I've posted in this or not, the thread is so long!!! So apologies if I have.

As I've recently started out, any critism would be good, would love to know what to keep, what should go, how to present myself better with what I have available.

I know I have a few variables, so opinions on which is the best out of them would be great

Nov 01 12 08:04 am Link

Photographer

Summer Polonsky

Posts: 2

Bellevue, Washington, US

I'd love to have your feedback!

Nov 01 12 02:58 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Matt Hildebrandt wrote:
Great idea. Looking forward to your comments.

Hello Matt, it is unusual and refreshing to see a port primarily fpcusing on wedding photogrphy here. Your images are captivating and I do not see much violations fo the basic guidelines spelled out on page 1.  So I will depart from my usual critique and focus on the wedding part.

While most of your images are of good quality, the models, their dresses and location are great, I have the immpression that the brides are models as they all are credited a MM members. It would be a good idea to display, at least several, if not all, your actual customers, This would give more credibility to your work. In the same vein, I propose showing bride/groom images and bridesmaids/best men.

Back to the original topic of this forume - what to delete? I propose one to remove would be this one. It is a beautiful image, but you posted already the same bride in the same dress with the piano. If you read my previous commentary and the guidelines on page 1, you will see that I disapprove of variants as they dilute the power of one's port.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120118/20/4f1797c8a6d0e_m.jpg

I would also propose deleting this one as her expression and pose are awekward.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121016/18/507e09b9e770b_m.jpg

This one is one of my favorites for the super composition
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120119/11/4f186ebc85bdb_m.jpg

An I love the blissful epression here
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120325/19/4f6fcf9e41af6_m.jpg

Nov 01 12 05:10 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Kimmi Fox wrote:
Not sure if I've posted in this or not, the thread is so long!!! So apologies if I have.

As I've recently started out, any critism would be good, would love to know what to keep, what should go, how to present myself better with what I have available.

I know I have a few variables, so opinions on which is the best out of them would be great

Hello Kimmi and welcome to MM. I see you are on a good start in your portfolio building. Like majority of your peers who start out, you posted multiple variations of the same theme which davalues a port, as it confuses the viewer. the 6 images with your orage hair are great, but they are too similar. I propose deleting 4 of the 6.

I also recommend deleting this one as there is no discernable concept and it does not show you in the best way. Another hint that this image is week is the few comments it received, actually only one in 600 views.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30167851

Also remove this variant
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120927/07/506460440cc1d_m.jpg


THis one is one of my favorites for your captivating expression, dungeon location which is appropriate for the concept, and great light
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30423653

This one is my favorites from the orange series.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30082325

I also like this implied as it is a great display of your many tattoos
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120927/07/50645c424a229_m.jpg

I would like to give you my opinion about your open crotch image. I think these sort of imges devalue one's port as imagination is always better than seeing the actual thing. These do of course get comments, but not from real photographers, but rather from the lechers lurking on this site.

Nov 01 12 05:25 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Summer Polonsky wrote:
I'd love to have your feedback!

Welcome to MM Summer. Like the previous port I just commented on was unique in its wedding theme, yours is unique in that it focuses on instrument playing. You light your subjects well, and your overall photography skills are good. Not great, but that will come in time, I am sure based on what I see.

Your port is compact, you have no variants, so I would not delete any images at this time. Only start deleting as you create better images in the future.

I have one suggestion. Bring your new fashion shoots indoors, and your instrument playing outdoors. Just for the sake of your port diversification.

As far as my favorites, I love her thoughtful expression and the shadow
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120908/16/504bd75f810d3_m.jpg

Here the afternoon sun provides just the perfect backlighting through her translucent dress. Keep shooting like that.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120908/16/504bd66e3966d_m.jpg

Nov 01 12 06:26 pm Link

Model

Maggie Xia

Posts: 452

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Hey there! I just updated my port and would love to hear your opinion smile

Nov 01 12 07:35 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Emmiq wrote:
Hey there! I just updated my port and would love to hear your opinion smile

Welcome back Emily!

I see you added 5 or 6 cool images since last month. I do especially like your first image as it is sexy and it adds casual  look to your port.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121031/20/5091eb2777f1a_m.jpg

You've posted two variant images and as you know I am not a fan of that. I recommend deleting this one as your expression here is not as strong or as alluring as in the sister image
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121031/21/5091fdc09d8ec_m.jpg

I also am not a fan of the following image, which I realize you already had posted the last time I reviewed your port but I missed it. While it is artistic, I love your shadow, the humor and the drama, your figure seems a bit stunted due to your pose.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120727/05/50128b2cd2582_m.jpg

My favorite in your port is this one, you know why, but that's just between you and I wink
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121020/20/50836e49aabe9_m.jpg

Nov 02 12 01:45 pm Link

Model

Maggie Xia

Posts: 452

Atlanta, Georgia, US

ikonas wrote:

Welcome back Emily!

I see you added 5 or 6 cool images since last month. I do especially like your first image as it is sexy and it adds casual  look to your port.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121031/20/5091eb2777f1a_m.jpg

You've posted two variant images and as you know I am not a fan of that. I recommend deleting this one as your expression here is not as strong or as alluring as in the sister image
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121031/21/5091fdc09d8ec_m.jpg

I also am not a fan of the following image, which I realize you already had posted the last time I reviewed your port but I missed it. While it is artistic, I love your shadow, the humor and the drama, your figure seems a bit stunted due to your pose.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120727/05/50128b2cd2582_m.jpg

My favorite in your port is this one, you know why, but that's just between you and I wink
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121020/20/50836e49aabe9_m.jpg

Got it! thank you very much!

I'm going to delete the 1st pic right away but I think i'll hang on to the 2nd until i find something similar (as cool) to replace it smile

Nov 03 12 07:34 pm Link

Model

Account Is Not Valid

Posts: 1744

Durango, Colorado, US

I'm game if you're still going! c:

Nov 03 12 07:48 pm Link

Model

Emily L 92

Posts: 15

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

I would really appreciate you looking through mine! plus any tips or criticisms! I'm new to all this and really appreciate the feedback!

Nov 03 12 10:15 pm Link

Photographer

Michele Bowers

Posts: 18

Cedar Rapids, Iowa, US

me please.

Nov 03 12 10:19 pm Link

Photographer

Matt 333

Posts: 54

Fairfax, Virginia, US

Ikonas,

Thanks for the feedback. All are valid points that I'm going to heed.

This is a kind thing for you to do. Cyberspace would smell better if there were more people who lend their peers constructive criticism like you're doing in this thread! Perhaps you should consider giving classes under or like Scott Kelby, et al.


ikonas wrote:
While most of your images are of good quality, the models, their dresses and location are great, I have the immpression that the brides are models as they all are credited a MM members. It would be a good idea to display, at least several, if not all, your actual customers, This would give more credibility to your work. In the same vein, I propose showing bride/groom images and bridesmaids/best men.

Nov 04 12 06:23 am Link

Photographer

Randall Photography

Posts: 514

Los Angeles, California, US

I'm down smile

Nov 04 12 09:46 am Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Matt Hildebrandt wrote:
Ikonas,

Thanks for the feedback. All are valid points that I'm going to heed.

This is a kind thing for you to do. Cyberspace would smell better if there were more people who lend their peers constructive criticism like you're doing in this thread! Perhaps you should consider giving classes under or like Scott Kelby, et al.



Matt, your kind comment is much appreciated. I find what I do here quite enjoyable, however getting feedback like yours makes things doubly rewarding and this is what keeps me going smile
All the best,

Nov 04 12 04:14 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Randall Photography wrote:
I'm down smile

Hello Randall, thanks for stopping by. Your models are gorgeous and you know how to capture their beauty in creative ways, and in lovely locations. You show great control and understanding of light, depth of field, composition, etc. So I find it a bit of a challenge to critique a body of work of as high caliber as yours and thus I need to judge you by a higher standard.

In light of what I just said, I propose deleting three images.

Here, while your model is beyond gorgeous, I dont find a unique concept besides the fact that she is wearing boots in her naked state. However, you already used this concept in another image, and thus I consider this a variant - rule [1] of my guidelines on page 1. What actually really bothers me is the apparent irregularity in her boobs appearance. Or perhaps it's an illusion? Regardless, one breast seems a bit droopier than the other. A simple edit might correct this situation.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30431176

In the next image, while the model is lovely and so is her corset, her expression seems a bit stiff, and so does her pose. Having received only one comment in 100 views also hints at the image weakness - for more on this topic, see rule [4] in my guidelines dealing with comment to view ratios.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120719/18/5008bacd66763_m.jpg

Another image that does not meet the high standard of your port is this one. The model has the body of a goddess, however I find the lighting mediocre. Even though we know we have to use a reflector or a flash as fill-in in such shots, it should not be obvious one used a flash. In this image it is too evident. Furthermore, I see squarish shadows on top of her breasts, almost an artifact of photoshop work? With all the comments and lists, I doubt you will delete it, but you wanted my opinion, right?
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110321/22/4d88312539263_m.jpg

In contrast to the above image, the light in the next one is absolutely superb and hence I chose it as one of my favorites
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110221/10/4d62af6ae85a2_m.jpg

Another one that deserves honorable mention is this one, for its divine natural light
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100604/11/4c0945fe786df_m.jpg

Great work overall, and thanks for being a gatekeeper!

Nov 04 12 05:01 pm Link

Photographer

Randall Photography

Posts: 514

Los Angeles, California, US

ikonas wrote:

Hello Randall, thanks for stopping by. Your models are gorgeous and you know how to capture their beauty in creative ways, and in lovely locations. You show great control and understanding of light, depth of field, composition, etc. So I find it a bit of a challenge to critique a body of work of as high caliber as yours and thus I need to judge you by a higher standard.

In light of what I just said, I propose deleting three images.

Here, while your model is beyond gorgeous, I dont find a unique concept besides the fact that she is wearing boots in her naked state. However, you already used this concept in another image, and thus I consider this a variant - rule [1] of my guidelines on page 1. What actually really bothers me is the apparent irregularity in her boobs appearance. Or perhaps it's an illusion? Regardless, one breast seems a bit droopier than the other. A simple edit might correct this situation.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30431176

In the next image, while the model is lovely and so is her corset, her expression seems a bit stiff, and so does her pose. Having received only one comment in 100 views also hints at the image weakness - for more on this topic, see rule [4] in my guidelines dealing with comment to view ratios.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120719/18/5008bacd66763_m.jpg

Another image that does not meet the high standard of your port is this one. The model has the body of a goddess, however I find the lighting mediocre. Even though we know we have to use a reflector or a flash as fill-in in such shots, it should not be obvious one used a flash. In this image it is too evident. Furthermore, I see squarish shadows on top of her breasts, almost an artifact of photoshop work? With all the comments and lists, I doubt you will delete it, but you wanted my opinion, right?
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110321/22/4d88312539263_m.jpg

In contrast to the above image, the light in the next one is absolutely superb and hence I chose it as one of my favorites
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110221/10/4d62af6ae85a2_m.jpg

Another one that deserves honorable mention is this one, for its divine natural light
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100604/11/4c0945fe786df_m.jpg

Great work overall, and thanks for being a gatekeeper!

Thanks! Yea I've been meaning to try a different image from the corset series, trying to really pare back on any that aren't getting much attention.

The first girl I think literally JUST got her boobs done like a week before, now that they've settled a bit I plan on shooting her again, that was her second shoot ever and her first time posing nude smile

And surprisingly the blue bikini is from a silver reflector that is very close to her. I think I was shooting when the sun was too high. I have some newer ones of this girl, just waiting for the green light from her to post them. I think the squareness is from shadow created by her top and the reflection angle. Also critiquing is why I'm here wink i like to only showcase my best.

I do a lot like your favorite, just simple gridded octobox standing against the white wall in my dining room haha. And I've tried recreating the second one but it has to be a specific time of year and the light has to be perfect from that angle also I think it was dusty that day to have the light filter like that

Nov 04 12 05:40 pm Link

Model

Kay K

Posts: 7

BOISE, Idaho, US

I would love to know (:

Nov 04 12 06:51 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Randall Photography wrote:
Thanks! Yea I've been meaning to try a different image from the corset series, trying to really pare back on any that aren't getting much attention.

The first girl I think literally JUST got her boobs done like a week before, now that they've settled a bit I plan on shooting her again, that was her second shoot ever and her first time posing nude smile

And surprisingly the blue bikini is from a silver reflector that is very close to her. I think I was shooting when the sun was too high. I have some newer ones of this girl, just waiting for the green light from her to post them. I think the squareness is from shadow created by her top and the reflection angle. Also critiquing is why I'm here wink i like to only showcase my best.

I do a lot like your favorite, just simple gridded octobox standing against the white wall in my dining room haha. And I've tried recreating the second one but it has to be a specific time of year and the light has to be perfect from that angle also I think it was dusty that day to have the light filter like that

Randall, I appreciate your feedback. I think it is very instructive for the readers of this forum to learn the photographer's thought process, methods used, and challenges encountered in creating a particular image.

Nov 05 12 10:43 am Link

Model

Megan Camille

Posts: 40

Honolulu, Hawaii, US

me please

Nov 05 12 12:24 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Kayleen Klauser wrote:
I would love to know (:

Hello Kayleen, and welcome to MM. Since you only have four images, there is nothing to remove at this point. Your images are professionally done, they are all diverse in dress and location and your poses are good. It is evident that your beauty and form are on your side.

One apparent weakness to point out is your expressions. You need to show more emotion, more excitement, sensuality, allure, etc. This is something for you to work on. In modeling and glamour photography it is often the expression that makes or breaks an image, and ranks higher in importance over light, composition or other technical detail. Good news is that this will normally come in time with enough practice, and experience where you are relaxed and totally comfortable with your photographer.

This B&W is my favorite for good photography, great wardrobe, and your beautiful features.
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121026/00/508a42c6d66f7_m.jpg

Good luck to you, I know you will do well. You are welcome to come back here after you have posted more work.

Nov 05 12 12:52 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Megan Camille wrote:
me please

Hello Megan, I've just posted your critique last week on this very same page. Have you read it? If so, did you find it constructive? I welcome your feedback before I embark on a second review.

Nov 05 12 01:00 pm Link

Model

Elena Antonia Pappas

Posts: 946

Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

Such a busy year at university that I have not done much modelling work...need to do a shoot or two....advice on my port???

Thank you

ELENA

Nov 05 12 01:01 pm Link

Photographer

Krukis

Posts: 36

London, England, United Kingdom

oki, go for it

Nov 05 12 02:12 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Elena Antonia Pappas wrote:
Such a busy year at university that I have not done much modelling work...need to do a shoot or two....advice on my port???

Thank you

ELENA

Hello again Elena. You may recall I did your port review (page 17) and I see you have deleted the images which I recommended. So your port is in pretty good shape right now as you have no variants, your poses are good, etc.  So now lets take the next step.

While your images project your beautiful figure and face quite well, I think your port includes too many lingerie and bikinis shots. This is sort of a variant in theme. It would be constructive for you to diversify and include such things as interesting wardrobe, night shots, artistic images, or you can go in any number of other directions. Once you start adding these new images, you can also delete some of your bikinis to the point of leaving only half as many as you have now - the viewer or potential client will still get the point that you are in great shape without getting them bored.

I've already pointed my favorite the last time. This one is another:
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/26612705

Nov 05 12 05:12 pm Link

Model

Lakin S

Posts: 308

Ashland, Kentucky, US

Hola!
I need some help choosing the worst of the top 3 rows, plz & ty.

Nov 05 12 05:24 pm Link

Photographer

ikonas Boston

Posts: 736

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Krukis wrote:
oki, go for it

Hello Krukis, let me tell you the good news first. Your port subject is unique on MM, that is it provides images of naked girls on the streets of London taken under natural light conditions - that is street lamps. Your little tramps look sexy in their nocturnal urban environment. The uniqueness of your port makes it captivating.

Now for the bad news. Many of your images are too small. Too late now, but in the future move to a larger format. Next issue is a common one on MM and deals with variant images - you've got too many. For example, delete this one as its related image is much stronger (better pose)
The uniqueness of it makes it captivating.

Here is another one that should go for the same reason
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100517/08/4bf160ccb5e99_m.jpg

This one is one of my favorites for the pose, the model's beauty and the red background
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/26264749

Love this one too, for the model's nice form and pose and for the weirdness of this concept.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/29064399

Have fun shooting, but try not to get arrested smile

Nov 05 12 08:07 pm Link