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Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

Hi. big_smile



Breathe.


Hi again.





No, but seriously.

It's not just the nudity, (or is it?) that makes you choke on your words?
It's not just insecurity about your work (or is it?) that makes you not give any (or hardly any) feedback, is it?

I've encountered a few 'shy' people who just were so terrified of doing anythin wrong, upsetting the model (in that case me) in some way, or calling body parts by ...well, not what I'd call them.

For example, I shot with a lovely, very decent hobbyist the other week, and he, like many at some point said 'hold that' and 'do that again'.

No biggie.
I do.
He's not happy but can't say what exactly I'm not replicating to the wanted pose.
He shows me two images, pretty much the same pose, except there's a nipple (yeah mine!) in one of them.

So I look at him and go 'so you want that pose, but with the nipple exposed?' .  I think he was close to fainting at that point. Just from the 'N' word.

Yup, it's what he wanted, but couldn't say it.


Dears.

It's okay.

I appreciate you wanting to be respectful.

But it's a little like when going to the doctor, or the butcher:
if you don't know your parts, or you're too timid to call them by their names (or the names you've agreed upon, if it's really awkward) you'll be cooking stew instead of steak, and you'll be taking home ointment for hemorrhoids instead of eyedrops.

K? borat



ETA:

The gentleman in question, after we chatted about, you know, body parts and respect and stuff, had indeed the gumption to strap me into a nice waist cincher without problems.  Again borat

Dec 07 12 02:48 pm Link

Photographer

SPV Photo

Posts: 789

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Eurocat wrote:
Dear Shy Photographers!

Eeek!

*hides*

Dec 07 12 03:00 pm Link

Photographer

B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

Miss, please!!

Cover your... um... lady garden! yikes




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

Dec 07 12 03:05 pm Link

Photographer

TrianglePhoto

Posts: 582

Chicago, Illinois, US

Well, I've been known to have issues with communication...

I'm far more visual than verbal...

Sometimes I'm reduced to grunting and waiving my hand vaguely in the direction of the body part that needs to be moved/adjusted.

Luckily, I usually have an assistant available who will translate for me to the model...

It isn't elegant, but it seems to get the job done...

Dec 07 12 03:05 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Miss, please!!

Cover your... um... lady garden! yikes

lol

Dec 07 12 03:17 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

TrianglePhoto wrote:
Sometimes I'm reduced to grunting and waiving my hand vaguely in the direction of the body part that needs to be moved/adjusted.

Luckily, I usually have an assistant available who will translate for me to the model...

It isn't elegant, but it seems to get the job done...

I take that over a guy nearly fainting upon the word 'nipple'. big_smile

Dec 07 12 03:18 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

TrianglePhoto wrote:
Well, I've been known to have issues with communication...

I'm far more visual than verbal...

Sometimes I'm reduced to grunting and waiving my hand vaguely in the direction of the body part that needs to be moved/adjusted.

Luckily, I usually have an assistant available who will translate for me to the model...

It isn't elegant, but it seems to get the job done...

Awesome. Why am I imagining you dropping the shoulder of your t-shirt and exposing a nipple to instruct the model?

To the OP...I see a screenplay in your future. You can call it, I don't know, maybe A Faint Image?

Dec 07 12 03:18 pm Link

Photographer

Gabby57

Posts: 424

Coppell, Texas, US

LOL,
Speaking as a hobbyist, I readily admit that models of your caliber are a little (more than a little) intimidating to a hobbyist.  It sounds like you handled it with generosity and understanding, bravo!

Dec 07 12 03:24 pm Link

Photographer

ForeverFotos

Posts: 6644

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Isn't this problem what laser pointers were designed to overcome http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-evil-grin-smileys-429.gif

Dec 07 12 03:25 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

ForeverFotos wrote:
Isn't this problem what laser pointers were designed to overcome http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-evil-grin-smileys-429.gif

Oh God no! I tried that once and my cat went ballistic and scratched the shit out of the models, well, ya know, can I say this word here? nipples .

Dec 07 12 03:27 pm Link

Photographer

ForeverFotos

Posts: 6644

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

Oh God no! I tried that once and my cat went ballistic and scratched the shit out of the models, well, ya know, can I say this word here? nipples .

That's why I don't allow cats in my studio LOL

Dec 07 12 03:29 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 27961

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I'm not shy!  I have photographed more than nipples.   big_smile

Dec 07 12 03:32 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

ForeverFotos wrote:
That's why I don't allow cats in my studio LOL

I bet you'd make an exception for Eurocats.

Dec 07 12 03:33 pm Link

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Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6308

New York, New York, US

Eurocat wrote:
Hi. big_smile



Breathe.


Hi again.





No, but seriously.

It's not just the nudity, (or is it?) that makes you choke on your words?
It's not just insecurity about your work (or is it?) that makes you not give any (or hardly any) feedback, is it?

I've encountered a few 'shy' people who just were so terrified of doing anythin wrong, upsetting the model (in that case me) in some way, or calling body parts by ...well, not what I'd call them.

For example, I shot with a lovely, very decent hobbyist the other week, and he, like many at some point said 'hold that' and 'do that again'.

No biggie.
I do.
He's not happy but can't say what exactly I'm not replicating to the wanted pose.
He shows me two images, pretty much the same pose, except there's a nipple (yeah mine!) in one of them.

So I look at him and go 'so you want that pose, but with the nipple exposed?' .  I think he was close to fainting at that point. Just from the 'N' word.

Yup, it's what he wanted, but couldn't say it.


Dears.

It's okay.

I appreciate you wanting to be respectful.

But it's a little like when going to the doctor, or the butcher:
if you don't know your parts, or you're too timid to call them by their names (or the names you've agreed upon, if it's really awkward) you'll be cooking stew instead of steak, and you'll be taking home ointment for hemorrhoids instead of eyedrops.

K? borat

I think I want to marry you when I grow up!

I had a tough time getting started shooting nudes.  Fortunately, several young women, most of them young enough to be my granddaughters, took me by the hand (figuratively) and helped me grow up.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.

Dec 07 12 03:33 pm Link

Photographer

ForeverFotos

Posts: 6644

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I bet you'd make an exception for Eurocats.

you're right, but.......for all others.......

http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/5-7/w2pS3hyFdn-6.png

Dec 07 12 03:35 pm Link

Photographer

BlueMoonPics

Posts: 4429

New York, New York, US

I take a very hands on approach. big_smile tongue borat
j/k

Dec 07 12 03:36 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
To the OP...I see a screenplay in your future. You can call it, I don't know, maybe A Faint Image?

*sigh* not soon enough.


Dec 07 12 03:39 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

Gabby57 wrote:
LOL,
Speaking as a hobbyist, I readily admit that models of your caliber are a little (more than a little) intimidating to a hobbyist.  It sounds like you handled it with generosity and understanding, bravo!

*blush*

Very kind.

Yeah, I didn't flinch much and asked him to call things what they're called. At the doctor's office, if necessary. -_-

Dec 07 12 03:40 pm Link

Photographer

JSMphotos

Posts: 367

Bentonville, Arkansas, US

lol - too funny Eurocat!

I know when I started shooting models it took me a little while to get used to communicating... but that was only because I was used to shooting dance competitors in action. wink

Dec 07 12 03:45 pm Link

Photographer

Tyler Q.

Posts: 5

Hampton, Virginia, US

Lovely stuff. I find that I'm still shy when working with any women...no matter how much clothing is involved. But then again, I'm just as shy to ask ANYONE to work with me!

But I guess it really does seem funny from the other side. Thanks for your insight.
~Q.

Dec 07 12 03:46 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

Rays Fine Art wrote:
I think I want to marry you when I grow up!

I has warm fuzzy.

Dec 07 12 03:48 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Eurocat wrote:

*sigh* not soon enough.


Dec 07 12 03:48 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

ForeverFotos wrote:

you're right, but.......for all others.......

http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/5-7/w2pS3hyFdn-6.png

*blinks*

You make excepshion? That's certainly good to know!

Dec 07 12 03:49 pm Link

Photographer

DG at studio47

Posts: 2365

East Ridge, Tennessee, US

I'm fortunate? 30yrs in medicine, massage therapist, artist.......I might do a double take on the license at some point, then forge ahead with "correct anatomical" language. Please tilt right so that the light can profile your nipples and breasts! fantastic!, now bring your knees to your chest--oops, left breast popped out! please push that back in. thanks....btw, lovely labia..........."Soft Kitty, warm Kitty, little ball of fur.................

Dec 07 12 03:52 pm Link

Photographer

ForeverFotos

Posts: 6644

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Eurocat wrote:

*blinks*

You make excepshion? That's certainly good to know!

You are exceptional, are you not ? smile

Dec 07 12 03:52 pm Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 38557

Portland, Oregon, US

Gabby57 wrote:
LOL,
Speaking as a hobbyist, I readily admit that models of your caliber are a little (more than a little) intimidating to a hobbyist.  It sounds like you handled it with generosity and understanding, bravo!

Ironically, experienced, professional models are often going to be BETTER prepared for such situations, and while some intimidation might be natural, they are also frequently able to not only shrug it off but be helpful, far more helpful, than someone with less experience.

Think about it this way... if you have to work with someone, is it easier or harder to work with someone who already knows what they are doing?

Now, as far as the OP is concerned, that is a different matter...




she's just scary

Dec 07 12 04:02 pm Link

Photographer

Kev Lawson

Posts: 7829

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Rays Fine Art wrote:
I think I want to marry you when I grow up!

Eurocat wrote:
I has warm fuzzy.

Its just gas... it will pass in time lol

oh, btw, the OP was cute smile

Dec 07 12 04:16 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

ForeverFotos wrote:
You are exceptional, are you not ? smile

*purrrrr**

Flattery will get you....well. hehe.

Dec 07 12 04:17 pm Link

Photographer

ArtisticGlamour

Posts: 3846

Phoenix, Arizona, US

What a beautiful Original Post. So nice to read something like that for a change.

Dec 07 12 04:24 pm Link

Photographer

Toto Photo

Posts: 2791

Belmont, California, US

Enjoyed that OP immensely.

Dec 07 12 04:30 pm Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24315

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

your nude figure is beautiful and its not going to make me uncomfortable..
(or anyone else's nude female body for that matter)

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Dec 07 12 04:30 pm Link

Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 4279

Vineland, New Jersey, US

I'm probably more shy than most everyone else. It's hard to know what will or will not be deemed disrespectful, especially as a newby ... But there is a difference between being shy and unable to communicate.  I had to learn how, too, as it didn't come naturally.

  For me, it was even harder to say some things because I wasn't shooting nudes. I turned the corner on a day when I told a model I wanted her to lose her bra straps. She opted to take the whole thing off.

  Thank you for this bit of "advice" though. I will put it to good use.

Dec 07 12 04:30 pm Link

Photographer

MN camera

Posts: 1861

Saint Paul, Minnesota, US

I've only encountered...awkward situations a couple times. 

Once was quite long ago.  I was nervous (and still a college student!) and thankfully, the young lady I was working with was very out-front, bold even, and took the lead.

Another was more recent.  I told a clothed model that while I, as an average guy, didn't really mind being able to see up her skirt, it may not have been what she was going for.  She handled it with aplomb.

I think women are a bit more comfortable with themselves than us guys are with them.

Dec 07 12 04:32 pm Link

Photographer

JD Liddil

Posts: 98

North Haven, Connecticut, US

I feel much better now. I am not the only spazz

Dec 07 12 04:45 pm Link

Photographer

PhotographybyT

Posts: 7692

Monterey, California, US

The only way to help a photographer overcome his shyness is to let him (or her) face his shyness head on! tongue (lol)

Dec 07 12 04:47 pm Link

Photographer

AZELESSAR

Posts: 656

Brentwood, California, US

In pointing out a nude picture of you I accidentally touched the computer screen ... I kinda feel like I should send you flowers now.
Where should I send them wink

Dec 07 12 04:55 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 10313

Santa Ana, California, US

Eurocat wrote:

*purrrrr**

Flattery will get you....well. hehe.

nipples? smile

Dec 07 12 04:56 pm Link

Model

Jordan Bunniie

Posts: 1693

Los Angeles, California, US

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Miss, please!!

Cover your... um... lady garden! yikes




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

lol

Dec 07 12 05:21 pm Link

Photographer

IMAGINERIES

Posts: 692

New York, New York, US

My first female nude exposure,was when I was sixteen years old at a life drawing class in Paris....Sixty some years later I find some models are perfectly comfortable
being nude  and other feel "naked" and vulnarable being "nude". I feel I have to adjust my choice of words according to their feeling being
without clothe. No big deal....

Dec 07 12 05:29 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3548

Columbus, Ohio, US

DougBPhoto wrote:
Now, as far as the OP is concerned, that is a different matter...


she's just scary

*taps foot*

...the OP is watching you!

Dec 07 12 05:33 pm Link