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John Photography

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … d-cab.html

Well she could have ruined the guys life if they believed her story. I wonder how many other cases like this are out there that have slipped by the cracks.

Jul 07 13 04:27 am Link

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Vivus Hussein Denuo

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Bitch should be sentenced to the amount of time he would have spent.

Jul 07 13 04:35 am Link

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KonstantKarma

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Hickory, North Carolina, US

Not uncommon.  It's easy and tempting to take advantage when the system is skewed in your favor.

I recommend checking out the Men's Rights Initiative on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/TheMensRightsInitiative

Jul 07 13 05:51 am Link

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Mares

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Maitland, New South Wales, Australia

You need to be all sorts of crazy to cut your own face in order to accuse some random guy of assault.

Jul 07 13 05:58 am Link

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Raoul Isidro Images

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Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Very smart of the dude to use his smart phone.

Police were smart enough to believe the evidence on the smart phone.

Smart phones have really come a long way from being just smart phones.

Great story of instant smart justice.

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Jul 07 13 06:12 am Link

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sjx

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Mares wrote:
You need to be all sorts of crazy to cut your own face in order to accuse some random guy of assault.

Good point!

Apparently, she wanted to avoid paying the cab fare.

Jul 07 13 06:25 am Link

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Mares

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Maitland, New South Wales, Australia

sjx wrote:

Good point!

Apparently, she wanted to avoid paying the cab fare.

I wonder how much she's been paying her lawyer now too.

Jul 07 13 06:37 am Link

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AdelaideJohn1967 wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … d-cab.html

Well she could have ruined the guys life if they believed her story. I wonder how many other cases like this are out there that have slipped by the cracks.

Yes, women are well aware of the double standards between them and men. There are many men who are victims of women.

If a man accuses a woman of assault, at most the woman is questioned. If a woman accuses a man of assault, he's arrested.

Jul 07 13 07:02 am Link

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Srefis Limited

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I love her facebook quotes "Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself" and "what goes around comes around" that's for sure!

Jul 07 13 07:24 am Link

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Jules NYC

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Good.

What a smart man for recording that ride.
My heart goes out to him, he alone in a cell crying.

sad

Jul 07 13 08:19 am Link

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Elizabeta Rosandic

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Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

And let the misogynist posts begin!

Jul 07 13 08:24 am Link

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Jules NYC

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Jail is no joke.
It can be worse than prison.

Even for a day.

Jul 07 13 08:28 am Link

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Not good!

Jul 07 13 08:33 am Link

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udor

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Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And let the misogynist posts begin!

Nah, I am not sure that will be the case here.

Really, think about it... the mere accusation of rape by a woman, even if it's not true, will start a machinery that will bury the man for life... prison, sex offender database etc.

Rarely women retract.

Some men are afraid to approach women because they don't trust them anymore.

It's not that rape doesn't happen... of course it does..., but false accusations also happen... and men usually don't have a chance of a fart in the wind.

Jul 07 13 08:57 am Link

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ontherocks

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the feminists i know claim this is rare but i wonder about that. i think both men and women are capable of doing horrible things (we all have a dark side).

and this is why a rush-to-judgement, zero tolerance policy doesn't work. sometimes people lie. you have to work to get to the truth. and if you can't get to the truth (it's just he-said, she-said) maybe you need to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, at least until other witnesses come forward with similar stories.

what we really need is a reliable lie detector. wouldn't that change everything? if like on the tv shows there are people among us who can spot lies then maybe each police department needs one on staff.

Bare Essential Photos wrote:
Yes, women are well aware of the double standards between them and men. There are many men who are victims of women.

Jul 07 13 09:06 am Link

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Jules NYC

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ontherocks wrote:
i think both men and women are capable of doing horrible things (we all have a dark side).

Yes, but to ruin someone's life?

A greater part of strength comes from good.
Even with the failings of human character, to offensively ruin someone's life with ill-intent is a serious crime.

You'd have to do something truly evil to get the mojo out.

Jul 07 13 09:11 am Link

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Elizabeta Rosandic

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Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

udor wrote:

Nah, I am not sure that will be the case here.

Really, think about it... the mere accusation of rape by a woman, even if it's not true, will start a machinery that will bury the man for life... prison, sex offender database etc.

Rarely women retract.

Some men are afraid to approach women because they don't trust them anymore.

It's not that rape doesn't happen... of course it does..., but false accusations also happen... and men usually don't have a chance of a fart in the wind.

Yup, false accusations happen to a lot of people for a lot of things. People are unfairly persecuted all the time whether it be for rape or something else.

What I'm more concerned about is the number of actual rapes that go unreported- something like 80%. That means we have a lot of rapists walking around who've gotten away with their crime and are likely to be repeat offenders due to such.

Jul 07 13 09:15 am Link

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It's hard to find truly accurate statistics, but the FBI has estimated that about 8% of rape/assault accusations are fraudulent. In fact, most everyone agrees that false rape and domestic violence allegations are much less common than previously thought.

The bigger concern, in my opinion, is the still prevalent and over-exaggerated/unfounded perception that rape/assault victims are inherently unreliable.

Jul 07 13 09:15 am Link

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Elizabeta Rosandic

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Skydancer Photos wrote:
It's hard to find truly accurate statistics, but the FBI has estimated that about 8% of rape/assault accusations are fraudulent. In fact, most everyone agrees that false rape and domestic violence allegations are much less common than previously thought.

The bigger concern, in my opinion, is the still prevalent and over-exaggerated/distorted perception that rape/assault victims are inherently unreliable.

+1

Excellent point.

Jul 07 13 09:16 am Link

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Nemi

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KonstantKarma wrote:
Not uncommon.  It's easy and tempting to take advantage when the system is skewed in your favor.

I recommend checking out the Men's Rights Initiative on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/TheMensRightsInitiative

WOW.
An MRA page? Seriously?
Good lord.

It's very uncommon, read some statistics.

Jul 07 13 09:16 am Link

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Jules NYC

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Skydancer Photos wrote:
It's hard to find truly accurate statistics, but the FBI has estimated that about 8% of rape/assault accusations are fraudulent. In fact, most everyone agrees that false rape and domestic violence allegations are much less common than previously thought.

The bigger concern, in my opinion, is the still prevalent and over-exaggerated/unfounded perception that rape/assault victims are inherently unreliable.

False accusation is exactly that and forever stains.

I remember a former band member telling me that my girlfriend had Herpes. She is my friend, not my lover but ever since then I wondered if she really had it.

I mean with a good lawyer you can get off most anything these days. I wouldn't even think of dating someone that had a rumor about rape, disease, etc.

That is how it screws up your life.

Jul 07 13 09:19 am Link

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Elizabeta Rosandic

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Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
Not uncommon.  It's easy and tempting to take advantage when the system is skewed in your favor.

I recommend checking out the Men's Rights Initiative on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/TheMensRightsInitiative

Nemi wrote:
WOW.
An MRA page? Seriously?
Good lord.

It's very uncommon, read some statistics.

MRA's are like that spoiled cousin who always got her own present at someone else's birthday party: it's such a childishly self-serving concept it's almost satirical.

Jul 07 13 09:19 am Link

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Jules NYC

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Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:

KonstantKarma wrote:
Not uncommon.  It's easy and tempting to take advantage when the system is skewed in your favor.

I recommend checking out the Men's Rights Initiative on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/TheMensRightsInitiative

MRA's are like that spoiled cousin who always got her own present at someone else's birthday party: it's such a childishly self-serving concept it's almost satirical.

That analogy was really good.

Jul 07 13 09:20 am Link

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Skydancer Photos

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Internet accusations and myths notwithstanding, my personal experience working with and/or supporting victims (and perpetrators) of rape, sexual assault, molestation, and abuse is about the same as the stats I cited above. About 1 out of 10 allegations turns out to be unfounded. One problem with that is when it does occur, even though it's rare, it can be emotionally and personally distressing and lead to a "girl cries wolf" mentality. I have been personally involved in 4 cases in which the accuser lied. One was a good friend and it was extremely extravagant... the "stalking" went on for almost 9 months, my friends and I set up nightly sleepovers so that she would not be alone, the stories and incidents got increasingly bizarre and scary, and the ultimate "attempted rape" allegedly occurred in broad daylight on a walking trail up on a university campus. When it became obvious that she was being charged for her false accusations, it took a while for the shock and disbelief to subside.

That said, 9 times out of 10, when someone reports a rape or assault, it's a legitimate report. So, let's not victimize the victims, let's support and assist them through their ordeal.

One national resource that I recommend is RAINN, the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization. http://www.rainn.org/ They have a ton of information and resources available, including a 24 hour hotline staffed by trained volunteers who are very experienced in providing help and assistance.

Jul 07 13 09:34 am Link

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Shon D.- Homme

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AdelaideJohn1967 wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … d-cab.html

Well she could have ruined the guys life if they believed her story. I wonder how many other cases like this are out there that have slipped by the cracks.

A number that pales in comparison to rapes that have actually occurred, rapes in which the assailant was brought to justice, and/or rapes that were never reported.

Jul 07 13 09:39 am Link

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Shon D.- Homme

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Virginia Beach, Virginia, US

Nemi wrote:

WOW.
An MRA page? Seriously?
Good lord.

It's very uncommon, read some statistics.

EXTREMELY uncommon.

Jul 07 13 09:39 am Link

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ontherocks

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to me that's scary high. imagine if 1 out of 10 airplanes hooked their tail on a seawall upon landing? high enough for people to be very cautious to pass judgement without solid evidence.

if it were 1 out of 1,000 then maybe it would be easier to just trust people. but 1 out of 10? that's too many. some people are crazy. some people lie. people have a dark side. we need to get over this thing of trusting everyone. some people aren't trustworthy. personally i think with the legal system assume someone is lying until proven otherwise (look at all the crap that jodi arias spewed and there was a guy around here who killed two teenage girls and was on the news all the time before they caught him spewing all this nonsense). sometimes the bad people are able to get away with being bad because they are so good at spewing stuff that people are willing to believe (there's a separate issue of why people are so gullible and willing to believe that someone is telling the truth).

i'm with mulder on this one. trust no one. show me some proof. if there is no proof then maybe you have to let the guy go even if he might be guilty.

Skydancer Photos wrote:
About 1 out of 10 allegations turns out to be false.

Jul 07 13 10:29 am Link

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Click Hamilton

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San Diego, California, US

Guilty until proven innocent.

Luckily, this story has a happy ending.

Jul 07 13 10:40 am Link

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ontherocks wrote:
to me that's scary high. imagine if 1 out of 10 airplanes hooked their tail on a seawall upon landing? high enough for people to be very cautious to pass judgement without solid evidence.

if it were 1 out of 1,000 then maybe it would be easier to just trust people. but 1 out of 10? that's too many. some people are crazy. some people lie. people have a dark side. we need to get over this thing of trusting everyone. some people aren't trustworthy. personally i think with the legal system assume someone is lying until proven otherwise (look at all the crap that jodi arias spewed and there was a guy around here who killed two teenage girls and was on the news all the time before they caught him spewing all this nonsense). sometimes the bad people are able to get away with being bad because they are so good at spewing stuff that people are willing to believe (there's a separate issue of why people are so gullible and willing to believe that someone is telling the truth).

i'm with mulder on this one. trust no one. show me some proof. if there is no proof then maybe you have to let the guy go even if he might be guilty.

Other reputable sources cite the number as low as 2%. I'd say it's somewhere between 2-8%.
http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf

What's much, much more striking, and disturbing, is the number of rapes, assaults, and other violent crimes that go unreported by the victims and/or are not prosecuted... many sources cite that number at 75% or higher. In other words, most rapists, molesters, and abusers remain free to to commit more crimes.

Interesting report
http://theenlivenproject.com/the-truth- … ccusation/

Jul 07 13 10:44 am Link

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Chicchowmein

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udor wrote:

Nah, I am not sure that will be the case here.

Really, think about it... the mere accusation of rape by a woman, even if it's not true, will start a machinery that will bury the man for life... prison, sex offender database etc.

Rarely women retract.

Some men are afraid to approach women because they don't trust them anymore.

It's not that rape doesn't happen... of course it does..., but false accusations also happen... and men usually don't have a chance of a fart in the wind.

The misogynistic posts have already begun.

And while I don't agree with false accusations statistics bear that way more rapes go unreported and even ones that are reported are not prosecuted.

Jul 07 13 10:46 am Link

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Paul Ferris

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Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And let the misogynist posts begin!

I've been looking for them but I haven't seen any... Hmmm.

Jul 07 13 10:56 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

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Chicchowmein wrote:

The misogynistic posts have already begun.

And while I don't agree with false accusations statistics bear that way more rapes go unreported and even ones that are reported are not prosecuted.

You obviously don't want to hear this and therefore put a nasty label on it.

Jul 07 13 10:58 am Link

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Lumatic

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Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
And let the misogynist posts begin!

Maybe they'll come out as an extension of this topic, but to hell with misogyny as far as she's concerned.  She's a piece of shit and that's the end of it, regardless of gender.  She tried to ruin another person's life, and the lives of his family, over £6.

Jul 07 13 10:59 am Link

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Skydancer Photos wrote:
It's hard to find truly accurate statistics, but the FBI has estimated that about 8% of rape/assault accusations are fraudulent. In fact, most everyone agrees that false rape and domestic violence allegations are much less common than previously thought.

The bigger concern, in my opinion, is the still prevalent and over-exaggerated/unfounded perception that rape/assault victims are inherently unreliable.

+100

Jul 07 13 11:02 am Link

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Click Hamilton

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Did either of you ladies crying "misogyny" even bother to read the article?

This woman drinks until she vomits and is a sociopathic lunatic. Why would anyone want to defend what she did?

"Seriousness of the accusation"?

Jul 07 13 11:09 am Link

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Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:

KonstantKarma wrote:
Not uncommon.  It's easy and tempting to take advantage when the system is skewed in your favor.

I recommend checking out the Men's Rights Initiative on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/TheMensRightsInitiative

MRA's are like that spoiled cousin who always got her own present at someone else's birthday party: it's such a childishly self-serving concept it's almost satirical.

That's actually an incredibly stupid analogy. This thread is about a man falsely accused and the presumption that the man is guilty until proven innocent. As the cops said, if not for that guy's video, he'd be screwed for the rest of his life on her say so. Like MRA or not, MRA is on point in this thread. Men's rights are no more or less childish than women's rights.

One half of this crime is against men. The other half of this crime is against women. This false accusation helps to undermine other claims of actual rape. It gives ammunition -- wrongly -- for those who want to dismiss a rape victim's claims.

Jul 07 13 11:15 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth wrote:

You obviously don't want to hear this and therefore put a nasty label on it.

No I hear it. I think any woman or person who makes up allegations of any kind should be punished -- but the fact still remains that statistics will bear that the vast majority of sexual assaults and rapes go unreported, unprosecuted and unpunished.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines. I am not going to go back into each post and pick out the undertones but there is an undertone of poor suffering men and all women are out to get you.

Not all women are predators. Not all men a predators. But the statistics still show that about 2/3 or all rapes are unreported. Often when rapes are reported and prosecuted the woman's sexual history is called into question, or how she dressed, or she was asking for it, etc

http://www.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/sa.shtml

I have great sympathy for anyone who is accused of any crime that is not guilty but to imply that the numbers are skewed towards women accusing innocent men is  not supported by statistics.

I could get more cites, I could find more recent stats but I am on my way out so I will leave it up to you to draw your on conclusions.

I will also say this -- I hate it when a woman falsely accuses a man of something like this because not only did an innocent man get dragged through the mud but  then the mob gathers and says see, see these women -- they're all out to get us.

Jul 07 13 11:16 am Link

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Click Hamilton wrote:
Did either of you ladies crying "misogyny" even bother to read the article?

This woman drinks until she vomits and is a sociopathic lunatic. Why would anyone want to defend what she did?

"Seriousness of the accusation"?

Who is defending her?

I am not.

I am just pointing out that this is not the norm.

Jul 07 13 11:17 am Link

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Elizabeta Rosandic

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sweetcheekscouture wrote:

No I hear it. I think any woman or person who makes up allegations of any kind should be punished -- but the fact still remains that statistics will bear that the vast majority of sexual assaults and rapes go unreported, unprosecuted and unpunished.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines. I am not going to go back into each post and pick out the undertones but there is an undertone of poor suffering men and all women are out to get you.

Not all women are predators. Not all men a predators. But the statistics still show that about 2/3 or all rapes are unreported. Often when rapes are reported and prosecuted the woman's sexual history is called into question, or how she dressed, or she was asking for it, etc

http://www.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/sa.shtml

I have great sympathy for anyone who is accused of any crime that is not guilty but to imply that the numbers are skewed towards women accusing innocent men is  not supported by statistics.

I could get more cites, I could find more recent stats but I am on my way out so I will leave it up to you to draw your on conclusions.

I will also say this -- I hate it when a woman falsely accuses a man of something like this because not only did an innocent man get dragged through the mud but  then the mob gathers and says see, see these women -- they're all out to get us.

+84920849302

Jul 07 13 11:18 am Link

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Elizabeta Rosandic

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Orca Bay Images wrote:

That's actually an incredibly stupid analogy. This thread is about a man falsely accused and the presumption that the man is guilty until proven innocent. As the cops said, if not for that guy's video, he'd be screwed for the rest of his life on her say so. Like MRA or not, MRA is on point in this thread. Men's rights are no more or less childish than women's rights.

One half of this crime is against men. The other half of this crime is against women. This false accusation helps to undermine other claims of actual rape. It gives ammunition -- wrongly -- for those who want to dismiss a rape victim's claims.

No one is claiming that what this woman did was correct.

What we *are* claiming is that while what she did really, really sucks, it's not a matter of "men's rights". It's a matter of someone being falsely accused of something that they didn't do.

What *is* primarily a women's issue is this culture of inherent distrust or blaming of the victim that leads to the VAST majority of rapes going unreported. IMO, that's a much bigger problem than this.

Jul 07 13 11:22 am Link