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FlirtynFun Photography
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I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation on social media on a vaccine that works to prevent the flu. A few fun facts: •Flu vaccination can keep you from getting sick from flu. Protecting yourself from flu also protects the people around you who are more vulnerable to serious flu illness. •Flu vaccination can help protect people who are at greater risk of getting seriously ill from flu, like older adults, people with chronic health conditions and young children (especially infants younger than 6 months old who are too young to get vaccinated). •Flu vaccination also may make your illness milder if you do get sick. •Flu vaccination can reduce the risk of more serious flu outcomes, like hospitalizations and deaths. If you decide NOT to get the flu shot, please arm yourself with facts from reliable sources such as WebMD and www.cdc.gov. By the way, although herbal remedies are good for a LOT of things, they will NOT stop the flu virus. Rubbing essential oils on your body may feel and smell good, but you'll just smell good while being sick.
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Connor Photography
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Newark, Delaware, US
FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation on social media on a vaccine that works to prevent the flu. A few fun facts:
•Flu vaccination can keep you from getting sick from flu. Protecting yourself from flu also protects the people around you who are more vulnerable to serious flu illness.
•Flu vaccination can help protect people who are at greater risk of getting seriously ill from flu, like older adults, people with chronic health conditions and young children (especially infants younger than 6 months old who are too young to get vaccinated).
•Flu vaccination also may make your illness milder if you do get sick.
•Flu vaccination can reduce the risk of more serious flu outcomes, like hospitalizations and deaths.
If you decide NOT to get the flu shot, please arm yourself with facts from reliable sources such as WebMD and www.cdc.gov.
By the way, although herbal remedies are good for a LOT of things, they will NOT stop the flu virus. Rubbing essential oils on your body may feel and smell good, but you'll just smell good while being sick. Thanks for posting.
Yeah, there are lot of misinformation on the net. My famous one is "Vagina is like a self cleaning oven". I feel sorry for the guy who has to perform cunnilingus to his GF who does not bath herself. 
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JC Strick
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Normad2
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JC Strick wrote:
It is also the most dangerous vaccine on the market and the vaccine may not even prevent the flu.
http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-va … -injuries/
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm did you even read your second link?
secondlink wrote:
Flu vaccination can reduce the risk of more serious flu outcomes, like hospitalizations and deaths.
A recent study* showed that flu vaccine reduced children’s risk of flu-related pediatric intensive care unit (PICU) admission by 74% during flu seasons from 2010-2012.
One study showed that flu vaccination was associated with a 71% reduction in flu-related hospitalizations among adults of all ages and a 77% reduction among adults 50 years of age and older during the 2011-2012 flu season.
Flu vaccination is an important preventive tool for people with chronic health conditions. Vaccination was associated with lower rates of some cardiac events among people with heart disease, especially among those who had had a cardiac event in the past year. Flu vaccination also has been shown to be associated with reduced hospitalizations among people with diabetes (79%) and chronic lung disease (52%).
Vaccination helps protect women during pregnancy and their babies for up to 6 months after they are born. One study showed that giving flu vaccine to pregnant women was 92% effective in preventing hospitalization of infants for flu.
Other studies have shown that vaccination can reduce the risk of flu-related hospitalizations in older adults. A study that looked at flu vaccine effectiveness over the course of three flu seasons estimated that flu vaccination lowered the risk of hospitalizations by 61% in people 50 years of age and older. Where does it say that it doesn't work?
Sure, it doesn't work the same in everybody, but even then, read again from link 2, it is still a good idea to have the vaccine.
link2 wrote:
How effective is the flu vaccine in the elderly?
Older people with weaker immune systems often have a lower protective immune response after flu vaccination compared to younger, healthier people. This can result in lower vaccine effectiveness in these people.
If vaccine works less well in older people should they still get vaccinated?
Despite the fact that flu vaccines can work less well in people who are 65 and older, there are many reasons why people in that age group should be vaccinated each year.
First, people 65 and older are at high risk of getting seriously ill, being hospitalized and dying from the flu.
Second, while the effectiveness of the flu vaccine can be lower among older people, there are seasons when significant benefit can be observed in terms of averting illness that results in a doctor’s visit. Even if the vaccine provides less protection in older adults than it might in younger people, some protection is better than no protection at all, especially in this high risk group.
Third, current CDC studies look at how well the vaccine works in preventing flu illness that results in a doctor’s visit or admission to a hospital. This is just one outcome. There are other studies that look at the effects of flu vaccination on hospitalization rates as well as looking at death as on outcome. For example, one study concluded that one death was prevented for every 4,000 people vaccinated against the flu (Fireman et al, 2009).
In frail elderly adults, hospitalizations can mark the beginning of a significant decline in overall health and mobility, potentially resulting in loss of the ability to live independently or to complete basic activities of daily living. While the protection elderly adults obtain from flu vaccination can vary significantly, a yearly flu vaccination is still the best protection currently available against the flu.
There are limited data to suggest that flu vaccination may reduce flu illness severity; so while someone who is vaccinated may still get infected, their illness may be milder.
Fourth, it’s important to remember that people who are 65 and older are a diverse group and often are different from one another in terms of their overall health, level of activity and mobility, and behavior when it comes to seeking medical care. This group includes people who are healthy and active and have responsive immune systems, as well as those who have underlying medical conditions that may weaken their immune system, and therefore, their bodies’ ability to respond to vaccination. Therefore, when evaluating the benefits of flu vaccination, it’s important to look at a broader picture than what one study’s findings can present. Although flu vaccine is not perfect, the overall evidence supports the public health benefit of flu vaccination. Vaccination is particularly important for people 65 and older who are especially vulnerable to serious illness and death, despite the fact that the vaccine may not work as well in this age group.
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Normad2
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JC Strick wrote:
(...) If you are not knowledgeable about a subject, it is a good idea to read a little bit, or to ask questions, rather than go on saying "this is X or this is Y". Especially in things like health, where you can end up hurting somebody.
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Normad2
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Connor Photography wrote:
Thanks for posting. +1
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American Glamour
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Flu vaccines are one of those things were large groups of people just don't agree. It is a good topic to talk about so we can hear other's views.
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JC Strick
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normad-moth wrote:
did you even read your second link? Did you even read what I said? In case you misread it, I stated that "the vaccine may not even prevent the flu".
Key words being: "may" and "prevent".
CDC:
How well the flu vaccine works (or its ability to prevent flu illness) can range widely from season to season. The vaccine’s effectiveness also can vary depending on who is being vaccinated. From your quote: flu vaccination was associated with a 71% reduction in flu-related hospitalizations Key words being "71% reduction" and "hospitalizations".
Not everyone is hospitalized when they get the flu and the vaccine is only associated with a 71% reduction of severe hospitalizations (61% in people 50 years of age and older).
I think my "may not prevent" statement is accurate. Your math may vary.
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Michael Bots
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Of course the flu vaccine could make you sicker than flu will, and / or leave you permanently damaged (my left arm has still not fully recovered from the damage done 6 years ago) I personally would choose flu every 5 years or so over what the vaccine does (and has done) to me. Risk of harm (up to and including death) is generally your problem. The vaccine makers have virtually complete legal immunity from liability, and what compensation system does exist is loaded with hurdles. Death from random respiratory disease does not mean death from flu even though they classify it as such. Flu shot blamed for paralysis Kingston woman on mend, hoping to walk again http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnis … 74076.html CDC's flu warning raises questions about vaccine match http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspect … cine-match The Flu Shot Isn’t a Good Match This Year. Is It Ever? http://gizmodo.com/the-flu-shot-isn-t-a … 1671613791 "in most years" "it's somewhere around 60-70% effective" - maybe Association between the 2008–09 Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and Pandemic H1N1 Illness during Spring–Summer 2009: Four Observational Studies from Canada http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/inf … ed.1000258 Prior receipt of 2008–09 TIV (seasonal flu vaccine) was associated with increased risk of medically attended pH1N1 (swine flu) illness during the spring–summer 2009 in Canada Italy suspends Fluad flu vaccine from Novartis after deaths (from 3 weeks ago) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30240620 Don't Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-s … 61442.html "According to the National Vital Statistics System in the U.S., for example, annual flu deaths in 2010 amounted to just 500 per year -- fewer than deaths from ulcers (2,977), hernias (1,832) and pregnancy and childbirth (825), and a far cry from the big killers such as heart disease (597,689) and cancers (574,743). The story is similar in Canada, where unlikely killers likewise dwarf Statistics Canada's count of flu deaths." Estimating Seasonal Influenza-Associated Deaths in the United States: CDC Study http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us … -influenza "only a small proportion of deaths in either of these two categories are estimated to be influenza-related. CDC estimated that only 8.5% of all pneumonia and influenza deaths and only 2.1% of all respiratory and circulatory deaths were influenza-related." Effectiveness of 2008--09 Trivalent Influenza Vaccine Against 2009 Pandemic Influenza A (H1N1) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5844a5.htm Vaccine effectiveness - mostly negative numbers (more likely to get H!N! flu after this seasonal flu vaccine) Fluzone vaccine package insert - read it - save it (PDF) - pay particular attention to section 6.2 - Post-Marketing Experience http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsB … 305079.pdf Vaccine Compensation Statistics Reports - HRSA (from claims that made it that far into the system) http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation … ports.html Injury Deaths Total Compensated Dismissed Influenza (Trivalent) 1,317 73 1,390 698 125 Interim Adjusted Estimates of Seasonal Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness — United States, February 2013 http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtm … mm6207a2_w
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Jerry Nemeth
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I get the flu shot every year. I'm fine!
The flu is a more serious illness than some people think. I've had it in the past and don't want to get it again!!
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FlirtynFun Photography
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Houston, Texas, US
Michael Bots wrote:
Of course the flu vaccine could make you sicker than flu will, and / or leave you permanently damaged (my left arm has still not fully recovered from the damage done 6 years ago)
I personally would choose flu every 5 years or so over what the vaccine does (and has done) to me.
Risk of harm (up to and including death) is generally your problem. The vaccine makers have virtually complete legal immunity from liability, and what compensation system does exist is loaded with hurdles.
Death from random respiratory disease does not mean death from flu even though they classify it as such.
Flu shot blamed for paralysis Kingston woman on mend, hoping to walk again
http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnis … 74076.html
CDC's flu warning raises questions about vaccine match
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspect … cine-match
The Flu Shot Isn’t a Good Match This Year. Is It Ever?
http://gizmodo.com/the-flu-shot-isn-t-a … 1671613791
"in most years" "it's somewhere around 60-70% effective" - maybe
Association between the 2008–09 Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and Pandemic H1N1 Illness during Spring–Summer 2009: Four Observational Studies from Canada
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/inf … ed.1000258
Prior receipt of 2008–09 TIV (seasonal flu vaccine) was associated with increased risk of medically attended pH1N1 (swine flu) illness during the spring–summer 2009 in Canada
Italy suspends Fluad flu vaccine from Novartis after deaths (from 3 weeks ago)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30240620
Don't Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-s … 61442.html
"According to the National Vital Statistics System in the U.S., for example, annual flu deaths in 2010 amounted to just 500 per year -- fewer than deaths from ulcers (2,977), hernias (1,832) and pregnancy and childbirth (825), and a far cry from the big killers such as heart disease (597,689) and cancers (574,743). The story is similar in Canada, where unlikely killers likewise dwarf Statistics Canada's count of flu deaths."
Estimating Seasonal Influenza-Associated Deaths in the United States: CDC Study
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us … -influenza
"only a small proportion of deaths in either of these two categories are estimated to be influenza-related. CDC estimated that only 8.5% of all pneumonia and influenza deaths and only 2.1% of all respiratory and circulatory deaths were influenza-related."
Effectiveness of 2008--09 Trivalent Influenza Vaccine Against 2009 Pandemic Influenza A (H1N1)
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5844a5.htm
Vaccine effectiveness - mostly negative numbers (more likely to get H!N! flu after this seasonal flu vaccine)
Fluzone vaccine package insert - read it - save it (PDF)
- pay particular attention to section 6.2 - Post-Marketing Experience
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsB … 305079.pdf
Vaccine Compensation Statistics Reports - HRSA (from claims that made it that far into the system)
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation … ports.html
Injury Deaths Total Compensated Dismissed
Influenza (Trivalent) 1,317 73 1,390 698 125
Interim Adjusted Estimates of Seasonal Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness — United States, February 2013
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtm … mm6207a2_w Much of what you posted has been debunked numerous times by snopes, WebMD and the CDC.
1. The CDC only reported actual deaths from swine flu. This didn't account for the thousands who had it and it led to other deadly issues like pneumonia and ARDS.
2. The vaccine is safe.
My wife nearly died from ARDS 6 years ago. A simple H1N1 shot would have saved us 14 days in ICU with her in an induced coma in a rotoprone bed. 45 days later she was able to walk for the first time. She's on permanent disability because of the damage caused by the simple "flu".
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FlirtynFun Photography
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GPS Studio Services wrote:
Flu vaccines are one of those things were large groups of people just don't agree. It is a good topic to talk about so we can hear other's views. actually it's where doctors agree...and groups on social media and media outlets post partial truths and spread extreme misinformation.
Example of such a blatantly false story below:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcflu.asp
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Model MoRina
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During the 8 years I was in the Air Force, I got the flu shot because it was mandatory. My first year out of the military, I didn't get around to getting the shot, and I got the flu. I was sick for three weeks, and I lost 8 pounds (which is NOT good when you only weigh a little over 100 to start with.) In the 20 years since then I have only missed getting it twice, and I got the flu both times.
I'm a fan of the flu shot.
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Alannah The Stylist
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The last time I got a flu shot I ended up in the hospital.So no flu shot for me.
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Michael Bots
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Kingston, Ontario, Canada
FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
Much of what you posted has been debunked numerous times by snopes, WebMD and the CDC.
1. The CDC only reported actual deaths from swine flu. This didn't account for the thousands who had it and it led to other deadly issues like pneumonia and ARDS.
2. The vaccine is safe.
My wife nearly died from ARDS 6 years ago. A simple H1N1 shot would have saved us 14 days in ICU with her in an induced coma in a rotoprone bed. 45 days later she was able to walk for the first time. She's on permanent disability because of the damage caused by the simple "flu". Debunked? Really? Which ones - the CDC links? The FDA? By whom?
Of the 11 links I posted -- 4 are CDC, 1 is FDA, 1 is from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
1 is The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (Univ. of Minnesota), 1 is a Scientific Journal PLOS and 3 are legitimate news organizations BBC, SunMedia and Huffington Post.
What is faulty of unreliable about the content of them?
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Heather LeStabbityDeath
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Alexandria, Virginia, US
If you're getting the flu from the flu shot, a weakened or dead variant of the virus, you may be immune compromised and really need to talk to your doctor.
But seriously, we're overpopulated. Don't get vaccinated. Just also, don't get near my aging relatives. Stay at home with your children and old people and their weak immune systems. Get them ill with a mostly preventable virus that kills 40,000 people per year in the US alone, a significant majority of those deaths being the very young or the very old.
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Click Hamilton
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I get flu shots every year and I rarely get sick. For me, I believe they are quite effective. It seems like flu strains are getting much nastier and complicated than they were when I was a kid, but that might just be my own perspective as I learn more over time, or because of growing news hype and the love of fear-mongering by the press. Not sure. Serious illnesses have been everywhere around us since the beginning of time, even if we don't hear about it ourselves. I think flu shots can protect us from a lot of evolving and mutating crud that can lead to respiratory and other complications that are much more dangerous than the flu shots. If I have any symptoms at all of an illness coming on, or if I have to be around people who are hacking and wheezing and spreading their germs this time of year, I'm also a big believer in pounding down about 4- 6 grams of Vitamin C during the day when we want to boost our immune system. I try to avoid people who are obviously sick and who take no precautions to try to avoid spreading their germs. Eating well and living healthy keeps our immune system up. It's easy to look up the precautions that health care workers practice. We should do that too. I keep my vaccination card as up to date as any health care worker. When I travel, I take any vaccinations, preventative measures and precautions recommended for travelers by the CDC, based on destination. I've been in 130 countries at last count, so I've been vaccinated for lots of stuff. The precautions we take can come in many forms, including not being naive. I have 3M 1860 N95 health care particulate respirator and surgical masks in my travel bag and emergency kits. If I'm stuck on an airplane next to someone who is sick and I can't move to another seat, I'm not embarrassed to use it. I'll give one to the sick guy sitting next to me too. If they let me, I'll happily move to a jump seat to get away from sick people. http://www.amazon.com/3M-1860-RESPIRATO … 8937445973 The more dense populations become and the more freely people move around, the more diseases spread and mutate. I'm still alive and healthy. I am going to try to keep it that way for as long as I can. Merry Christmas
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Jerry Nemeth
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GPS Studio Services wrote:
Flu vaccines are one of those things were large groups of people just don't agree. It is a good topic to talk about so we can hear other's views. Unfortunately some people will die because of the views that they have.
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Click Hamilton
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San Diego, California, US
Jerry Nemeth wrote:
Unfortunately some people will die because of the views that they have. That's OK with me, as long as they don't take other innocent people with them.
I respect the right and responsibility of people to think for themselves and manage their own lives to the best of their ability.
I don't want less informed or mal-informed or politically positioned stooges making executive decisions for me because of some unfounded authority they think they might have.
It should also be our right to defer to people who we respect for their knowledge and experience, or simply because we trust them more than we trust ourselves.
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FlirtynFun Photography
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Click Hamilton wrote:
That's OK with me, as long as they don't take other innocent people with them.
I respect the right and responsibility of people to think for themselves and manage their own lives to the best of their ability.
I don't want less informed or mal-informed or politically positioned stooges making executive decisions for me because of some unfounded authority they think they might have. wholeheartedly agree. I see numerous people posting on facebook daily about how "essential oils" will cure you of the common cold, will prevent the flu etc. While I'm as open as the next guy to the benefits of herbal remedies, rubbing oregano oils and peppermint on your chest may make you smell good but it does nothing for the flu.
One such woman, a former highschool classmate, is sick with the flu right now and "treating herself" with peppermint and oregano . Idiocracy at its finest.
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Click Hamilton
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San Diego, California, US
FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
wholeheartedly agree. I see numerous people posting on facebook daily about how "essential oils" will cure you of the common cold, will prevent the flu etc. While I'm as open as the next guy to the benefits of herbal remedies, rubbing oregano oils and peppermint on your chest may make you smell good but it does nothing for the flu.
One such woman, a former highschool classmate, is sick with the flu right now and "treating herself" with peppermint and oregano . Idiocracy at its finest. Maybe peppermint and oregano have effective curative benefits. It wouldn't be my own first course of action, but I wish her the best of luck. Maybe she's right.
Her breath probably smells better than the people who eat garlic to stay healthy
Health benefits of oregano
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tnam … mp;dbid=73
Health benefits of peppermint
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/pepp … ts-effects
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FlirtynFun Photography
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Michael Bots wrote:
Debunked? Really? Which ones - the CDC links? The FDA? By whom?
Of the 11 links I posted -- 4 are CDC, 1 is FDA, 1 is from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
1 is The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (Univ. of Minnesota), 1 is a Scientific Journal PLOS and 3 are legitimate news organizations BBC, SunMedia and Huffington Post.
What is faulty of unreliable about the content of them? most are "partial truths" you've gleaned from scouring the web to prove an un-provable point. Here's an example from one of your articles. I bet you missed this part too-
Frieden said the circulating type B strains are well matched to the vaccine so far this season. "We continue to recommend flu vaccine as the best way to protect yourself against influenza," he added.
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Michael Bots
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FlirtynFun Photography
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Houston, Texas, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Maybe peppermint and oregano have effective curative benefits. It wouldn't be my own first course of action, but I wish her the best of luck. Maybe she's right.
Her breath probably smells better than the people who eat garlic to stay healthy
I used to eat a LOT of pizza...it didn't stop the flu virus! LOL
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rfordphotos
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Antioch, California, US
I try and get the shot every year. I had two serious battles with the flu, was in the hospital ten days the second time... Like all medicines, they cannot be made to be 100% safe for 100% of the people under 100% of all circumstances. Each individual must make an informed choice regarding their own health care. Personally, I believe the problem is a lack of good science, explained in terms the layman can make sense of... consider: Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO): Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known health hazards of Dihydrogen Monoxide are: ...Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities. ...Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage. ...Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects. ...DHMO is a major component of acid rain. ...Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns. ...Contributes to soil erosion. ...Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals. ...Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits. ...Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes. ...Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions. ...Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks. look it up for yourself----- http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html#FACTS
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Peach Jones
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I see that most of the people who have given evidence on here have done so by producing links, or their own personal story. Which is fine I guess. I have been in healthcare....EMS for almost 30 years. I have dealt with thousands of people who have or have not gotten the flu shot. But if you want to know about the flu shot on the front lines, go talk with your local ER nurses or the paramedics that go into the flu infested homes to help people. They will give you a dramatically different story than the links will give you. These things I can tell you for what I have seen over the past 3 decades:
I didn't get the flu shot until 2 years ago. That was because my employer pretty much made it mandatory. I will sometimes encounter a dozen or more people a day who have the flu, yet I very rarely got it. Maybe once every 5-10 years.
Most of my fellow co-workers say they have almost never been sick, except when they get the flu shot. Every year. (this happens to many of my non co-workers also)
Most of the people I treat for having the flu are surprised because they got the flu shot and still got the flu. I think they believe it is some magic wand or potion. It isn't.
You can live your life if you want by quoting links, but all too often they have an agenda. I prefer to learn from real life experiences.
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Click Hamilton
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San Diego, California, US
The subject of flu shots is always fun and controversial. 
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FlirtynFun Photography
Posts: 13926
Houston, Texas, US
Peach Jones wrote:
I see that most of the people who have given evidence on here have done so by producing links, or their own personal story. Which is fine I guess. I have been in healthcare....EMS for almost 30 years. I have dealt with thousands of people who have or have not gotten the flu shot. But if you want to know about the flu shot on the front lines, go talk with your local ER nurses or the paramedics that go into the flu infested homes to help people. They will give you a dramatically different story than the links will give you. These things I can tell you for what I have seen over the past 3 decades:
I didn't get the flu shot until 2 years ago. That was because my employer pretty much made it mandatory. I will sometimes encounter a dozen or more people a day who have the flu, yet I very rarely got it. Maybe once every 5-10 years.
Most of my fellow co-workers say they have almost never been sick, except when they get the flu shot. Every year. (this happens to many of my non co-workers also)
Most of the people I treat for having the flu are surprised because they got the flu shot and still got the flu. I think they believe it is some magic wand or potion. It isn't.
You can live your life if you want by quoting links, but all too often they have an agenda. I prefer to learn from real life experiences. 1. you can't get the flu from the flu shot
2. if you work in the health field, you must know that your immune system is likely stronger than most people because you are subjected to viruses more than most.
What are the risks from getting a flu shot?
You cannot get the flu from a flu shot. The risk of a flu shot causing serious harm or death is extremely small. However, a vaccine, like any medicine, may rarely cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. Almost all people who get influenza vaccine have no serious problems from it.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm
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FlirtynFun Photography
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Click Hamilton wrote:
The subject of flu shots is always fun and controversial.
more fun than the Ferguson verdict. In spite of all evidence, people refuse to accept factual information.
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Michael Bots
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Kingston, Ontario, Canada
FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
For every bogus story you post, there's verifiable information out there that getting a flu shot is not only safe, it's highly recommended: http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/how-effec … lu-vaccine
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspect … lts-get-it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebMD
"In 2013, the Chicago Tribune reported that WebMD, "has struggled with a fall in advertising revenue with pharmaceutical companies slashing marketing budgets"
WebMD
----Of course your sponsor's and advertisers products are fine and should be used.. Any recommendations would't be biased or slanted at all.
WebMD ....
http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/HLTH_(HLTH)/Webmd_Unsuccessful_Efforts_Increase_Advertising_Sponsorship_Revenue_Consumer
"Most of WebMD’s advertising and sponsorship revenue has, in the past, come from pharmaceutical, biotechnology and medical device companies"
BUSTED: This Popular "Independent" Health Website is Deceiving You
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic … ected.aspx
"Feeling depressed? Cheer yourself up by taking WebMD's comical new depression test.
It's sponsored by Eli Lilly (LLY) — maker of the antidepressant Cymbalta – so they must know what they're talking about, right?
In fact, no matter which of the 10 answers you choose on the test, the result comes out the same:
You may be at risk for major depression."
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Michael Bots
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Kingston, Ontario, Canada
FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
more fun than the Ferguson verdict. In spite of all evidence, people refuse to accept factual information. Fact - hospital recommends NO vaccine for me because of the dangerous and ongoing side effects. Accept it.
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rfordphotos
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Antioch, California, US
Michael Bots wrote:
Fact - hospital recommends NO vaccine for me because of the dangerous and ongoing side effects. Accept it. And Michael, I am really sorry to hear that. I am sure it complicates your life, and wish it wasnt so.
But you have to realize that you are an exception. Your situation isnt the same as the millions of other folks who have safely used those same vaccines. Do folks like you represent 1%? 5%? even 10% of those who are injected? Should we ignore the benefits for the 99% or 95% or even 90% who dont have your issues?
Should we ignore the stats that show death from the flu, and myriad other diseases globally have fallen since the introduction of vaccines?
It is sad that there isnt a truly universal cure for everything. So far, there isnt.
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Michael Bots wrote:
Fact - hospital recommends NO vaccine for me because of the dangerous and ongoing side effects. Accept it. I can accept that but don't try to convince us that the flu shot is no good!
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FlirtynFun Photography
Posts: 13926
Houston, Texas, US
Michael Bots wrote:
Fact - hospital recommends NO vaccine for me because of the dangerous and ongoing side effects. Accept it. Fact: regardless of overwhelming evidence, some people still have their heads buried in the sand
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Model Sarah
Posts: 40987
Columbus, Ohio, US
FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
wholeheartedly agree. I see numerous people posting on facebook daily about how "essential oils" will cure you of the common cold, will prevent the flu etc. While I''m as open as the next guy to the benefits of herbal remedies, rubbing oregano oils and peppermint on your chest may make you smell good but it does nothing for the flu.
One such woman, a former highschool classmate, is sick with the flu right now and "treating herself" with peppermint and oregano . Idiocracy at its finest. This kind of crap always makes me roll my eyes. There are natural remedies for a lot of things that work but when it comes to science, come on it is a no-brainer.
I have never gotten the flu shot and haven't been sickwith the flu in many years. I just never get around to it. I've got a pretty bad ass immune system for whatever reason. I haven't been sick in 3 years with a cold or anything like that. But I don't recommend that for everyone. Natural remedies are mostly horseshit.
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Model Sarah wrote:
This kind of crap always makes me roll my eyes. There are natural remedies for a lot of things that work but when it comes to science, come on it is a no-brainer.
I have never gotten the flu shot and haven''''t been sickwith the flu in many years. I just never get around to it. I''''ve got a pretty bad ass immune system for whatever reason. I haven''''t been sick in 3 years with a cold or anything like that. But I don''''t recommend that for everyone. Natural remedies are mostly horseshit. You are lucky that you haven''t had the flu. I've had it before several times and it isn't pleasant. That is why I get the
flu shot every year.
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JadeDRed
Posts: 5620
London, England, United Kingdom
Connor Photography wrote:
Yeah, there are lot of misinformation on the net. My famous one is "Vagina is like a self cleaning oven". I feel sorry for the guy who has to perform cunnilingus to his GF who does not bath herself. You do not bath your vagina, your vagina is on the inside. Well mine is.
You only have to wipe down the dials regularly.
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L A F
Posts: 8524
Davenport, Iowa, US
JadeDRed wrote:
You do not bath your vagina, your vagina is on the inside. Well mine is.
You only have to wipe down the dials regularly. Yes. Thank you.
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