udor wrote:
In those ancient, golden times, murder, rape, pillaging, all the good stuff was thriving and part of daily life... you are influenced by the vision of the life of the Eloi, described by Orson Wells in his "Time Machine", but the reality is that the ancient times were filled with Morlocks... everywhere...  I am guessing you are not substantially older than me... so, you might remember the 1960's version...     

Correction -- The author's name is H.G. Wells, not Orson Wells. His book was published in 1895.

Happy Guy Photos wrote:
Correction -- The author's name is H.G. Wells, not Orson Wells. His book was published in 1895.

Thanks for reminding me... I had a delicious German Warsteiner, and an undisclosable amount of a Russian beverage...

Oh..., but the 1960's movie version with Rod Taylor, was the one that gave me nightmares as a kid! 

Corrected!

Connor Photography wrote:
...........when life was simpler and hard.  Everyone was just trying to get the next meal and keeping the fire going to keep warm.  There were NO extremists of any kinds.  There is no vegans, no religion, no peanut allergy, no green peace, no animal rights, no welfare, no soccer mom, no porn, no escorts.  More importantly, we did not have a mean of killing a lot of people.  Everyone was focusing to survive but not trying to kill others for no reason.

A very Pollyanna view of the world. When life was simpler, it was no less brutal and dangerous. It was arguably moreso. You'd be trading nation-on-nation violence for a greater threat of personal violence.

All animals will kill each others for food.  Only human is the only animal that will kill another human other than food.

Wrong. Plenty of animals kill for dominance and for exclusivity of the bloodline.

Connor Photography wrote:
...........when life was simpler and hard.  Everyone was just trying to get the next meal and keeping the fire going to keep warm.  There were NO extremists of any kinds.  There is no vegans, no religion, no peanut allergy, no green peace, no animal rights, no welfare, no soccer mom, no porn, no escorts.  More importantly, we did not have a mean of killing a lot of people.  Everyone was focusing to survive but not trying to kill others for no reason.  All animals will kill each others for food.  Only human is the only animal that will kill another human other than food. 

My parents came here for freedom and the American dreams.  It was easy, we got it in no time plus more.  But I am so unhappy about our world as we are heading.  And I can't and am incapable to do anything about it.  I am just a mad scientist playing with drugs, animals and humans.  I can't solve the polarization of the nation and the world.  We choose our leader not by what the candidate can do for our country, we choose our leader by how much he or she can benefit our pockets NOW.  We have lost our vision.  We are suffering in our our success and democracy.   

When I sailed and landed on some remote islands in Caribbean and Central Americans,  at first I felt sorry for the natives how much they have missed our advance and progress .  Our massive productivity of the modern world.  But very soon, I realized they were laughing at me for chasing the impossible dreams.

Perhaps, life comes to a full circle.  Now it is time to return to the basic.  We should all return to the sea where all lives came from.  I hope the day will come where I will sail into the sunset where I can live off the seas.

I felt better NOW. 

Won't work unless you reduce the human population to prehistoric levels.  Imagine the chaos and horror of seven billion people fighting for available natural resources.

Jim Ball wrote:
Won't work unless you reduce the human population to prehistoric levels.  Imagine the chaos and horror of seven billion people fighting for available natural resources.

No one has to imagine it.  We have 24 hour news coverage of the world.

Connor Photography wrote:
...........when life was simpler and hard.  Everyone was just trying to get the next meal and keeping the fire going to keep warm.  There were NO extremists of any kinds.  There is no vegans, no religion, no peanut allergy, no green peace, no animal rights, no welfare, no soccer mom, no porn, no escorts.  More importantly, we did not have a mean of killing a lot of people.  Everyone was focusing to survive but not trying to kill others for no reason.  All animals will kill each others for food.  Only human is the only animal that will kill another human other than food. 

My parents came here for freedom and the American dreams.  It was easy, we got it in no time plus more.  But I am so unhappy about our world as we are heading.  And I can't and am incapable to do anything about it.  I am just a mad scientist playing with drugs, animals and humans.  I can't solve the polarization of the nation and the world.  We choose our leader not by what the candidate can do for our country, we choose our leader by how much he or she can benefit our pockets NOW.  We have lost our vision.  We are suffering in our our success and democracy.   

When I sailed and landed on some remote islands in Caribbean and Central Americans,  at first I felt sorry for the natives how much they have missed our advance and progress .  Our massive productivity of the modern world.  But very soon, I realized they were laughing at me for chasing the impossible dreams.

Perhaps, life comes to a full circle.  Now it is time to return to the basic.  We should all return to the sea where all lives came from.  I hope the day will come where I will sail into the sunset where I can live off the seas.

I felt better NOW. 

It is possible they were laughing at you because you carry the attitude that they are "noble savages", "primitive but pure", they were happily shocked that you had never been mauled by a bear while attempting to pet the cute, fuzzy creature, and they thought having the time and opulence of your own luxury sailing boat muddled your thinking.

Jules NYC wrote:
I don't belong in this time period at all.
I feel completely displaced.

I would love to be in a past era/century in a heartbeat.

Without the ability to vote, and with very limited abilities to own property? I'm surprised a woman would want that.

Still, dying of smallpox, polio, measles, whooping cough, etc., and even simple infections being potentially life-threatening (penicillin wasn't around before 1900) isn't my idea of a Good Time.  No TV, no instant-access to books, films (or films at all, if you go back more than a century), etc. Limited access to recorded music (More exposure to live music, though). If the local stores didn't carry something, you were pretty much out of luck; Sears did do mail-order, but their catalog, while considered very extensive, pales before the options today.

I'll grant that there were very different aesthetics in the past, and some things were better for the moderately wealthy and up, but the majority of people then weren't as well off as they'd be now.

Kevin Connery wrote:

Without the ability to vote, and with very limited abilities to own property? I'm surprised a woman would want that.

Still, dying of smallpox, polio, measles, whooping cough, etc., and even simple infections being potentially life-threatening (penicillin wasn't around before 1900) isn't my idea of a Good Time.  No TV, no instant-access to books, films (or films at all, if you go back more than a century), etc. Limited access to recorded music (More exposure to live music, though). If the local stores didn't carry something, you were pretty much out of luck; Sears did do mail-order, but their catalog, while considered very extensive, pales before the options today.

I'll grant that there were very different aesthetics in the past, and some things were better for the moderately wealthy and up, but the majority of people then weren't as well off as they'd be now.

I would be thrilled not to have a computer in my world/life.
I don't respond to every day life as it is.  That's the truth.

As for disease and such, well, I could live with that.
I could live with a short life full of happiness.

Amadea T wrote:
Connor, how is that sailing trip working out for ya? Like the amenities? Running clean water? I expect you have had all your vaccinations? And don't forget your prescriptions!

Amadea T wrote:
Connor, how is that sailing trip working out for ya? Like the amenities? Running clean water? I expect you have had all your vaccinations? And don't forget your prescriptions!

Heirate mich... oder fick mich... oder mach sonstwas zu mir!!!

YOU are FRIGGIN' awesome!!!

Mach natuerlich nur Spass ueber's bumsen... Du bist ja zuviel fuer einen kleinen, schwachen Mann wie mich!

Jules NYC wrote:
The Victorian Era - early 1900's first comes to mind.

As a person of Privileged classes I guess ?
Not one of the working class wretches

udor wrote:

Heirate mich... oder fick mich... oder mach sonstwas zu mir!!!

YOU are FRIGGIN' awesome!!!

Mach natuerlich nur Spass ueber's bumsen... Du bist ja zuviel fuer einen kleinen, schwachen Mann wie mich!

I know what you said.   

udor wrote:
Heirate mich... oder fick mich... oder mach sonstwas zu mir!!!

YOU are FRIGGIN' awesome!!!

Mach natuerlich nur Spass ueber's bumsen... Du bist ja zuviel fuer einen kleinen, schwachen Mann wie mich!

Flattery will get you places


But yea I'd tear you in half.

In my cave. That I dragged you into by your nose hair, after clubbing you over the noggin with my special mammoth-tibia- club.

I'm feeling all primal all of a sudden...

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

I know what you said.   

Don't trust google translator for your stalking purposes, Jerry.

I think we ought to go back to the 80's if anything. Good music, cheap drugs, before Facebook and all that virtual oversharing shit.
She says at the chat room.

Amadea T wrote:

Don't trust google translator for your stalking purposes, Jerry.

I think we ought to go back to the 80's if anything. Good music, cheap drugs, before Facebook and all that virtual oversharing shit.
She says at the chat room.

Lest you forget, there was also a lot of bloody awful music, crap drugs and some extremely questionable clothing choices. Cheaper vodka though . . . . and real goth/alternative clubs, the rest I'm probably better off not getting into.

L O C U T U S wrote:
Sadly, give it time, there is some serious crap coming soon to the usa.
It will be horrendous.

Such as?

Jules NYC wrote:
I would be thrilled not to have a computer in my world/life.
I don't respond to every day life as it is.  That's the truth.

As for disease and such, well, I could live with that.
I could live with a short life full of happiness.

That's kind of the point. The chances of a shorter life are substantial==living with it was more likely dying with it.

Additionally, there's nothing to show that the chances of a life full of happiness were higher. After all, a lot of infections which are trivial to defeat today left permanent, often debilitating, weaknesses afterwards, and accommodations for the disabled were sparse. (Again, unless you were one of the elite--the medical care baseline today is substantially higher, even in the US.)

Again: Limited-to-no ownership of property for females. No voting for females. No birth control. No dishwashers, and washing machines weren't widely in use until the 1910's or later. (Unless you were the 1:100 or so who had one of the hundred to do the washing, instead of one of the hundred who had the job of doing it.)

I'd rather go into cold-freeze for 10-30 years, and sleep through the Crazy Years, than go back.

Amadea T wrote:

Don't trust google translator for your stalking purposes, Jerry.

I think we ought to go back to the 80's if anything. Good music, cheap drugs, before Facebook and all that virtual oversharing shit.
She says at the chat room.

Google translated his comments very well!   

Kevin Connery wrote:
That's kind of the point. The chances of a shorter life are substantial==living with it was more likely dying with it.

Additionally, there's nothing to show that the chances of a life full of happiness were higher. After all, a lot of infections which are trivial to defeat today left permanent, often debilitating, weaknesses afterwards, and accommodations for the disabled were sparse. (Again, unless you were one of the elite--the medical care baseline today is substantially higher, even in the US.)

Again: Limited-to-no ownership of property for females. No voting for females. No birth control. No dishwashers, and washing machines weren't widely in use until the 1910's or later. (Unless you were the 1:100 or so who had one of the hundred to do the washing, instead of one of the hundred who had the job of doing it.)

I'd rather go into cold-freeze for 10-30 years, and sleep through the Crazy Years, than go back.

For me, I would love it.
I can do without all modern technology.  On that note, the internet has led to a lot of failed relationships and loneliness.  I'd gauge that if in a relationship, the more time spent on the net is a clear indication of the health of said relationship.
Yes, medically scary and politically oppressing but all in all, I imagine it like this:

Connor Photography wrote:
...........when life was simpler and hard.  Everyone was just trying to get the next meal and keeping the fire going to keep warm.  There were NO extremists of any kinds.  There is no vegans, no religion, no peanut allergy, no green peace, no animal rights, no welfare, no soccer mom, no porn, no escorts.  More importantly, we did not have a mean of killing a lot of people.  Everyone was focusing to survive but not trying to kill others for no reason.  All animals will kill each others for food.  Only human is the only animal that will kill another human other than food. 

My parents came here for freedom and the American dreams.  It was easy, we got it in no time plus more.  But I am so unhappy about our world as we are heading.  And I can't and am incapable to do anything about it.  I am just a mad scientist playing with drugs, animals and humans.  I can't solve the polarization of the nation and the world.  We choose our leader not by what the candidate can do for our country, we choose our leader by how much he or she can benefit our pockets NOW.  We have lost our vision.  We are suffering in our our success and democracy.   

When I sailed and landed on some remote islands in Caribbean and Central Americans,  at first I felt sorry for the natives how much they have missed our advance and progress .  Our massive productivity of the modern world.  But very soon, I realized they were laughing at me for chasing the impossible dreams.

Perhaps, life comes to a full circle.  Now it is time to return to the basic.  We should all return to the sea where all lives came from.  I hope the day will come where I will sail into the sunset where I can live off the seas.

I felt better NOW. 

I understand your POV but I also love the advancements we've made. The digital world means we're exposed to so much more of the world for not a lot of cost. There are definite drawbacks to that, of course, but the positives outweigh the negatives for me.

Essentially that sums up your entire post for me. There was definite positives to living back then but there were LOTS of negatives too. Having little doesn't make you happier; they just don't know any different. And whilst ignorance can be bliss, I'd personally choose a more well-rounded existence.

JadeDRed wrote:
Last time I checked there are still a shit tonne of places where you can go if you really like a lack of civilisation, struggling for survival and dying of preventable illnesses. That's why it sounds so utterly ridiculous when wealthy people sit around talking about it like it's a fantasy.

Actually this puts it into perspective beautifully.

It sounds like you were just feeling melancholy one day but if you really think about it - it doesn't sound so great on the whole, does it?

Jules NYC wrote:
I imagine it like this:

For wealthy, white people, yes.


For everyone else, it was like:

Koryn wrote:

For wealthy, white people, yes.


For everyone else, it was like:

^this...

JadeDRed wrote:
Last time I checked there are still a shit tonne of places where you can go if you really like a lack of civilisation, struggling for survival and dying of preventable illnesses. That's why it sounds so utterly ridiculous when wealthy people sit around talking about it like it's a fantasy.

I have 10 acres of wooded land in northern Michigan where I go to get away.

Connor Photography wrote:
All animals will kill each others for food.  Only human is the only animal that will kill another human other than food.

Incorrect.  Meerkats, for example, will raid the burrows of other meerkat clans and kill all the young they find.   They will also drive other clans out of areas if they can and claim them as their own.   A pregnant female will be driven out of the clan (where she is likely to die) by the dominant female so that her babies will not compete with the dominant's babies for food.   

Dolphins will harass and injure/kill other dolphins as well, although I cannot recall the circumstances, but I recall it being cruelty rather than survival.

Humans are not the only species to exhibit antisocial behavior.   We just excel at it.

Jules NYC wrote:

For me, I would love it.
I can do without all modern technology.  On that note, the internet has led to a lot of failed relationships and loneliness.  I'd gauge that if in a relationship, the more time spent on the net is a clear indication of the health of said relationship.
Yes, medically scary and politically oppressing but all in all, I imagine it like this:

After the blissful two or three month courtship, you will spend most of the rest of your life in a kitchen or caring for your frequently ill six or seven children (one or two of whom will die before age five and another may end up with polio). 

Your dashing, middle class husband will spend six days per week working at the bank and his spare time will be mostly spent drunk with men friends or reading the newspaper.   There will be an occasional pause for you to fulfill your wifely duty (total duration of five minutes per episode.  Sorry, you aren't meant to enjoy it). 

Eventually, your husband will become fat and alcoholic and will die fifteen years before you.  You won't know if you will have enough money to live on after his death because women don't need to know that kind of thing.  Your last fifteen years of life will probably be spent taking in washing or sewing or being shuttled between the homes of your surviving children for as long as their wives or husbands can stand having you in their house.

So, enjoy that three month courtship.

Koryn wrote:

For wealthy, white people, yes.


For everyone else, it was like:

Jules NYC wrote:
On that note, the internet has led to a lot of failed relationships and loneliness.  I'd gauge that if in a relationship, the more time spent on the net is a clear indication of the health of said relationship.

Most of the couples I know actually spend lots of time on the internet together. Then again, most of the couples I know are like us, who work(ed) on the internet, so it became kind of second nature to communicate with each other via internet.

More often than not when I'm posting on MM, my wife is using internet also, and we communicate with each other both directly *and* via our devices. It's just a variant of the same multitasking approach we've used pretty much all our lives (as teens, doing homework while watching TV while listening to music while talking on the phone).

Earlier today my wife just posted a pic to my FB feed of this really cool-looking flower she encountered while hiking at Forest Park. I responded to her post while at the grocery store.

And yesterday my wife and her BFF and I arranged a spur-of-the-moment dinner date over the course of a few texts.

The internet, in fact, affords a whole lot of relationship-enhancing interaction.

kickfight wrote:

Most of the couples I know actually spend lots of time on the internet together. Then again, most of the couples I know are like us, who work(ed) on the internet, so it became kind of second nature to communicate with each other via internet.

More often than not when I'm posting on MM, my wife is using internet also, and we communicate with each other both directly *and* via our devices. It's just a variant of the same multitasking approach we've used pretty much all our lives (as teens, doing homework while watching TV while listening to music while talking on the phone).

Earlier today my wife just posted a pic to my FB feed of this really cool-looking flower she encountered while hiking at Forest Park. I responded to her post while at the grocery store.

And yesterday my wife and her BFF and I arranged a spur-of-the-moment dinner date over the course of a few texts.

The internet, in fact, affords a whole lot of relationship-enhancing interaction.

Yikes!

I talk face to face and moments like such are private.  That's just me though.  I'd rather be out playing ball so to speak.

kickfight wrote:
Go back to the STONE AGE? 


No, thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqdTBDkUEEQ