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Why models get on MM if not serious
I message models regarding a paid shoot and out of 20 models around 5 will respond, even if they are not interested. what's worse are models who say yes and are interested, but then they never respond to any follow up messages. Why do they bother setting up a profile on MM and aren't willing to work or act professionally? You know how YouTube has a like and dislike button MM should have a "Flake" icon to click on to let other photographers know how serious that model is Jul 29 15 09:16 pm Link OP......Sometimes it is not them. Jul 29 15 09:24 pm Link Maybe this? Oh tee hee, I can be a model, look at meeeee! Oh wait....this is actual work. Uh ohs. Jul 29 15 09:34 pm Link A lot of them are putting their toes in the water to test the temperature. It doesn't take long for many to find out the water is too hot or too cold. But just one worthless opinion.  Jul 29 15 09:56 pm Link It usually starts with a conversation like this: Girl A: Baby, you're so cute, you should be a model! Girl B: Really? You think I can? Girl A: Oh HELL Yeah. I've heard of this website called Model Mayhem, where you can post a bunch of photos of yourself and apply for modeling jobs and everything. It's an easy way to make money and with your looks, you can do it! Girl B: Sounds like fun. I'll give it a shot. The next thing you know, Girl B opens an account and within 1 hour already has friend requests from photographers, usually over 200 miles away, but the comments she starts getting like, "You're totally hot. I'd love to shoot with you sometime!" start pouring in. A few local photographers see she's new and offer her some gigs. It's really scary but she does a shoot with one of them, and he turns out to be a real perv. Then she starts getting 10 perv emails a day, and then you come along. See the issue here? VERY few, I'd say less than 1% of the models on here are actually in this professionally. Most are part-timers who do this to make a few bucks on the side and that's it. The rest are here to act like they could be models but really just opened an account because their friend pushed them into it. Jul 29 15 10:00 pm Link Nicholas Luke wrote: they aren't flaking if they don't respond. there is no law that says they have to respond. Jul 29 15 11:50 pm Link  Moderator Note!Rants do not belong in the industry forums. Thread moved. Jul 30 15 12:50 am Link Nicholas Luke wrote: That is very close to the percentages of models that respond to my messages. The realization is that most are on Facebook. So now I try locating a Facebook link of models on here, then go there to communicate. They are far more likely to respond on Facebook with the far superior messaging system. No joke! That's where I am currently in the process of planning a shoot with a traveling model who also has a profile here. Jul 30 15 01:20 am Link Nicholas Luke wrote: This has been beaten to death in so many other threads. Not feasible due to subjectivity, verifiability, and vulnerability to abuse. Jul 30 15 02:56 am Link They coming expecting a fast buck Once they realize the effort required, they bugger off Jul 30 15 04:58 am Link Show them the money....... Jul 30 15 05:57 am Link Orca Bay Images wrote: +1 Jul 30 15 06:49 am Link Nicholas Luke wrote: Where do you suggest inexperienced newbies go to dip their toe in the pool? Nicholas Luke wrote: YouTube "Dislike" is nothing like a hypothetical MM "Flake" button. Jul 30 15 08:23 am Link Nicholas Luke wrote: Did you miss the part where this isn't a well known modeling agency? MM's closer to Craigslist than it is to Ford (not hating on the site, that low bar is how I was able to get in and hopefully one of the pathways to gaining more experience, but I'm real about what this website is). Jul 30 15 08:37 am Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: Yeah, that is just about right. or they realized that there are so many awesome talented models on MM, they won't make it if they try. Jul 30 15 08:55 am Link Connor Photography wrote: There are some very awesome talented models on MM. I've worked with some of them. Jul 30 15 09:07 am Link Connor Photography wrote: Jerry Nemeth wrote: X1000. Jul 30 15 09:17 am Link I have had photographers e-mail me and say they want to work with me and then they disappear. It happens, don't take it personally. Spend your time finding ones who WILL work with you. Jul 30 15 09:20 am Link As one lives and learns, one comes to realize that no response is a response and there is no need to get butt hurt because a person sends someone a message and they didn't respond. There could be many factors. While it is fully possible that a person sets up a profile, does one shoot (if that) and "retires". Maybe they don't delete their account but they never log into MM again. I would say these people *are* serious ... they're just not serious about shooting. They're serious about not shooting. One learns, when browsing, to limit the search to those models who have logged in at some point in the last X days (2, 10, 30, etc). I personally use 10 days as it's a little over a week. 30 is sometimes long enough for a person to go into their hiatus. So my advice is simple: relax, breathe deeply, move on to the next model. As a newbie on MM, I must've contacted 20 models before one agreed to shoot with me. Of course, my portfolio was terrible, I had no references for them to contact AND I was yet to develop a really professional way to contact them (while appropriate, it wasn't inspiring). After the first one, it got significantly easier. There are still those that won't respond but I say it's better to not respond than agree to shoot and not show up. Jul 30 15 09:29 am Link Because in our culture, fakery and flakery are the norm. Aug 01 15 04:16 am Link Shot By Adam wrote: There was a wave similar to this for myself when I joined and I was over 45 when I came here. After the initial wave past I shot a little more and navigated past that. Another woman I know local to me then joined to model also, shot a lot and then seemed to disappear, removing her online modeling presence nearly overnight. Aug 01 15 06:39 am Link Jen B wrote: I still want to work with you. I just have to find the time to get down there. Aug 01 15 07:56 am Link siloxr wrote: ++1 Aug 01 15 08:13 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: That's because you've got lots of $$$ to pay them. Aug 01 15 11:04 am Link WIP wrote: Not lots but enough. Aug 01 15 12:50 pm Link Why do they bother setting up a profile on MM ? FREE is a four letter word. Aug 01 15 03:37 pm Link |
