Char1otte wrote:
Does anyone have any advice on what to do?

Loose His Number

Do Not Respond to him in Any Way

Keep printed copies of all correspondence you have had with him.

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Lose His Number

Do Not Respond to him in Any Way

Keep printed copies of all correspondence you have had with him.

This. That's just not right, and it's not any more complicated than that, his behaviour is *not* ok.

I'm not quite sure why I've noticed that so many photographers really seem to have terrible social skills, and can't seem to separate the job from their life, but I guess that's why we have the "creepy photographer" stereotype, unfortunately.

Gerardo Martinez wrote:

I've worked with one of his models.   

Gerardo Martinez wrote:

I doubt that if it is his career.

Char1otte wrote:
I have a serious issue with one photographer. We did two photoshoots in the past and during each one and after each one, he would send photos along with overly friendly emails, which can be taken either way (a lot of "xoxox" etc, that I know many people use) so I didn’t think anything of it.

We did the photoshoot with TFP in mind and I did not charge him for my time and neither did he.

We did a third photoshoot and that is when things escalated. He was talking to me as if he was trying to convince me to sleep with him. Also, during a part of that shoot, he came up to me and tried to make out with me. This was quite distressing and I literally froze. This was all completely unwanted.

At the end of the shoot, he was sending me emails asking overly personal questions about my dating life and demanding I “see” him again. We never had any prior relationship or even any friendship! And never met outside of the studio.  He only sent 5% of the edited photos that he sent in the past and stopped sending the edits altogether when I would not reciprocate all his “advances.”

Then I received an email essentially stating that he would not send the photos as I refused to
“see” him (sleep with him) and that I can pay for them if I want them. We never discussed any payment beforehand. I also did not charge him for my time as a model and photographers do pay me for shoots (modeling for catalogues, etc).

I have a professional portfolio and same with this photographer who is 60 or over. He also runs a fashion blog and has a lot of professional photos, so he is not just a Guy with a Camera.

Does anyone have any advice on what to do?

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Loose His Number

Do Not Respond to him in Any Way

Keep printed copies of all correspondence you have had with him.

I do have all emails and he couldn't be more frustrated that I was being professional as well as refusing to "see him." But I am not sure of the recourse or even benefit of keeping copies of the emails other than for my own records.

The photoshoot lasted hours and I had a lot of outfit changes. He refused to provide the edited photos as he did in the past 2 photoshoots, which is why I ever agreed to take photos with him in the first place.

In today's email (which prompted this post) he refused to provide the edited photos unless I met with him. Then had the audacity to say that I took advantage of him! (He is over 60, very established, has a few businesses, and rents a photography studio). He said he thought we were "friends" (by that he means "friends with benefits") although we never met outside the studio! There is nothing else he would expect from me as a "friend" other than sexual relations. He has not called upon me as a "friend" in any other context. We also never had any sort of friendship and only did photoshoots.

He should not be allowed on MM. He works with a lot of young models, some that kind of look vulnerable. I also learned during the most recent photoshoot he travels internationally to third-world countries to take photos of young women. What is the procedure of getting someone like that banned?

Char1otte wrote:
If someone knows of a good editor who can edit a few photos, especially in this circumstance, and help a model out, it would be very appreciated! I don't think I will ever get any edited photos from him from that shoot!! I have the link to the raw photos that I saved on a different drive than the one he has access to.

Legally tricky as he would still control the copyright on the images.

Michael Bots wrote:
There are a several predator types in Toronto using photography as a cover. (note MM lists over 3000 photographer profiles within 50 miles of downtown)
                   Google -->        toronto photographer assault

The Toronto police are interested in who these guys are (even if nothing specifically criminal happened to you).

in the press ----
4 more women come forward with sexual assault allegations against Toronto photographer
http://globalnews.ca/news/2641314/4-mor … tographer/

Toronto photographer accused of sexually assaulting teens faces new charges
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/t … -1.3384931

Man claiming to be modelling photographer charged
http://www.ontariopolicereports.com/201 … y-station/

Toronto photographer charged
http://www.therecord.com/news-story/261 … nd-studio/

Toronto photographer charged with sexual assault
http://ryersonian.ca/toronto-photograph … l-assault/

Toronto photographer accused
https://www.photolife.com/2012/09/toron … l-assault/

I spoke to a few people about this and technically what he did was "sexual assault" where he was showing me the photos on his camera (standing close to me) and kissing me after, trying to make out with me. All unwanted and completely uncalled for.

erik jensen wrote:
well, a lot of young girls are willing to sleep their way to the top in this business. sounds like he read you wrong and is mad because he invested so much time photographing you, err I mean trying to bed you, only to be refused. if he's on MM you should report him. its people like him that give this site a bad name.

He is on MM and has been reported. I don't know if they would need a police report so he can get banned permanently.

Char1otte wrote:

I spoke to a few people about this and technically what he did was "sexual assault" where he was showing me the photos on his camera (standing close to me) and kissing me after, trying to make out with me. All unwanted and completely uncalled for.

This is simple if he is a MM member the use the CAM function to contact a moderator .  They wont tolerate this behavior if it can be substantiated.

Char1otte wrote:

He is on MM and has been reported. I don't know if they would need a police report so he can get banned permanently.

Great for reporting him

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
This is simple if he is a MM member the use the CAM function to contact a moderator .  They wont tolerate this behavior if it can be substantiated.

I do have his emails that he would send after the photoshoots - a lot of xoxoxox's, calling me "sweatheart," asking to see me, asking if I have a boyfriend all of that. He would send me the edited photos daily so he can sustain long-term contact and try to use that to his advantage. He would not send them all together in one go as most photographers.

Not sure if that would be enough for the mods

EDIT: also my report of his behaviour during the photoshoot as well as the fact he is over 60+, preying on younger women

Michael Bots wrote:
There are a several predator types in Toronto using photography as a cover. (note MM lists over 3000 photographer profiles within 50 miles of downtown)
                   Google -->        toronto photographer assault

The Toronto police are interested in who these guys are (even if nothing specifically criminal happened to you). They know there is a problem.

in the press ----
4 more women come forward with sexual assault allegations against Toronto photographer
http://globalnews.ca/news/2641314/4-mor … tographer/

Toronto photographer accused of sexually assaulting teens faces new charges
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/t … -1.3384931

Man claiming to be modelling photographer charged
http://www.ontariopolicereports.com/201 … y-station/

Toronto photographer charged
http://www.therecord.com/news-story/261 … nd-studio/

Toronto photographer charged with sexual assault
http://ryersonian.ca/toronto-photograph … l-assault/

Toronto photographer accused
https://www.photolife.com/2012/09/toron … l-assault/

So basically not much has changed since the 60's and 70's.

Everybody is trying for their own version of "Blow Up". Or he has delusions of being TR.

Char1otte wrote:
I do have his emails that he would send after the photoshoots - a lot of xoxoxox's, calling me "sweatheart," asking to see me, asking if I have a boyfriend all of that. He would send me the edited photos daily so he can sustain long-term contact and try to use that to his advantage. He would not send them all together in one go as most photographers.

Not sure if that would be enough for the mods

EDIT: also my report of his behaviour during the photoshoot as well as the fact he is over 60+, preying on younger women

This is a classic he said she said. Perhaps when you lay it out for the Mods they will agree with you and that will be that.  However, based on what you are saying, he might easily say that you misconstued his intentions and that you have it wrong.  The kissing part during the shoot is really out of bounds and may be your strongest point in your favor.

But you are an adult and he is an adult  so there is no harm in  him asking, but when you say "no i am not interested" it is his actions after that that can be construed as creepy and preying.

I wish you luck, but I also think that Ken Marcus is right.  He has a wealth of experience both as a long time Playboy and Penthouse photographer as well as running his own site as well as being one of the best art photographers I know.  He seems to have a practicle answer to these things.

Herman Surkis wrote:

So basically not much has changed since the 60's and 70's.

Everybody is trying for their own version of "Blow Up". Or he has delusions of being TR.

Indeed.  Still a small percentage of dangerous creeps around,

Char1otte wrote:

I do have his emails that he would send after the photoshoots - a lot of xoxoxox's, calling me "sweatheart," asking to see me, asking if I have a boyfriend all of that. He would send me the edited photos daily so he can sustain long-term contact and try to use that to his advantage. He would not send them all together in one go as most photographers.

Not sure if that would be enough for the mods

EDIT: also my report of his behaviour during the photoshoot as well as the fact he is over 60+, preying on younger women

OK. Not justifying but trying to put perspective.

"xoxoxox's, calling me "sweatheart,"
could easily be an artsy affection in his group

"He would send me the edited photos daily so he can sustain long-term contact and try to use that to his advantage. He would not send them all together in one go as most photographers."
I and others have been known to do that, and I still do. I get bored working on all the images, so I send them as I work on them. Models who are patient usually get more than the promised amount. If they need them all now, I will do so, but I usually at that point lose interest and may not work on something for a year. I have been known to send images 2 years later because I suddenly decided that something had been neglected, or might work better with a different treatment. (actually the ones a couple of years later do turn out better)

"report of his behaviour during the photoshoot"
Treating the photoshoot like a pickup bar, not a good thing.

" fact he is over 60+"
This matters why?

How do you know he is "preying on younger women"?
Very few photographers choose to shoot older women. At 60+ it does not leave too many choices.

However given your side of the story, he got delusional and obsessed and behaved very poorly.

Char1otte wrote:
I do have all emails and he couldn't be more frustrated that I was being professional as well as refusing to "see him." But I am not sure of the recourse or even benefit of keeping copies of the emails other than for my own records.

You keep the emails so that if things escalate you have proof of prior conduct, which might become relevant to someone like a judge.

DarkSlide wrote:
Another instance of a one-sided story. Not that I doubt the OP, but we all know that email and texts can be misconstrued. I think it best that people not rush to the Internet to post their problems. Be an adult and deal with it privately - like all humans did prior to 1994.

+1

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:

This is simple if he is a MM member the use the CAM function to contact a moderator .  They wont tolerate this behavior if it can be substantiated.

+1

best keep all emails n correspondance too.

Char1otte wrote:
If someone knows of a good editor who can edit a few photos, especially in this circumstance, and help a model out, it would be very appreciated! I don't think I will ever get any edited photos from him from that shoot!! I have the link to the raw photos that I saved on a different drive than the one he has access to.

Probably not a good idea.  The best advice here is to cut off all contact with him.  Using "his" photographs without his permission gives him a legal excuse to make your life (more) miserable, and it might be impossible to ignore his legal maneuvers.  I'd suggest the following:

...  Like everyone else has said, drop all contact with him.
...  I'd consider losing all images he made with / of you, but if he's already delivered TF* images
     to you from previous sittings, you are probably okay with that.
...  Get to know your other local models.  Share references, recommendations, and warning with
     the ones you trust.
...  Figure out how you can comfortably check out new / potential photographers.  If your local
     community knows & trusts you, they will be happy to share what they know.

Sorry for your difficulties -- good luck to you.

Char1otte wrote:

I do have his emails that he would send after the photoshoots - a lot of xoxoxox's, calling me "sweatheart," asking to see me, asking if I have a boyfriend all of that. He would send me the edited photos daily so he can sustain long-term contact and try to use that to his advantage. He would not send them all together in one go as most photographers.

Not sure if that would be enough for the mods

EDIT: also my report of his behaviour during the photoshoot as well as the fact he is over 60+, preying on younger women

I'm pretty sure that the moderators on here will take your complaint seriously.  This behavior is totally not cool!

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
I mentioned earlier to keep any 'evidence' of his unwanted attentions.

If this guy turns out to be a stalker, you need evidence to get restraining orders.

KM

Thank you, he has proved to be one in a way and kept on sending countless messages to "see me". His profile is inactive right now andni am not sure if MM had blocked it so quickly as it was that way many hours ago. At the same time, I did send him an email spelling things out for him in terms of his behavior

Char1otte wrote:

Thank you, he has proved to be one in a way and kept on sending countless messages to "see me". His profile is inactive right now andni am not sure if MM had blocked it so quickly as it was that way many hours ago. At the same time, I did send him an email spelling things out for him in terms of his behavior

Your behavior baffles me.  WHY WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO EMAIL HIM?????????

udor wrote:
Just wondering if there is a specific code that equalizes "seeing him" with him demanding that you "sleep with him".

Is it possible that this photographer simply took a liking to you and he'd like to hang and enjoy your company, because he may feel that you guys have "something in common"?

I don't think that there is anything "cool" about some of the communications between you two, but nowadays, especially among different generations, there might be a miscommunication at play and maybe some overreaction.

When you equate "seeing him" with him "demanding sexual favors", you can easily start a witch hunt that might be unjustified.

It appears that his age is of some significance in your reaction to his "advances"... which makes me wonder if you would react with the same apprehension if he'd be young, hot and a hunk at an age you'd be ready to date?

Just asking questions...

Of course everything would be directed! The answer is NO. He said the same thing with the second shoot with "seeing me." I understood thay to mean a shoot and I emphasized it as such so there was no misunderstanding.

Seeing me then started to mean sleeping with me when that is all that he was talking about during the third shoot! He was telling me that he wanted a friend's with benefits, no strings attached relationship with me, as he doesn't "do relationships" after he tried making out with me. He doesn't even know me remotely enough to be even able to suggest that or even know what my preferences are qirh respect to that part of my life. He was just thinking about what he wanted and was imposing himself on me.

Random Image wrote:
Your behavior baffles me.  WHY WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO EMAIL HIM?????????

Excuse me?! Why do you even insinuate that?! There were no emails other than him spelling it out for me that since  I rejected his advances, he will not finish the job! Then I sent a final email detailing the wrongfulness of what he did. End of story.

What some people insinuate in their minds here is quite beyond me. You honestly think I would maintain any further contact when he made it black and white, when there was no doubt he was quite criminal - trying to use sexual exploitation?

Char1otte wrote:
Does anyone have any advice on what to do?