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I was recently at a strip club where a "model" who I've worked with happened to work at. She comes over to our table says "Hi". We talk for a bit and she informs the table that we should come to the rail cause she performs next. She does her thing , we throw dollars, normal strip club behavior right. A lil while later she comes back to the table. There are already two other girls at the table. She pulls up a chair and says "You having fun? Yeah, you should tip me." I say "You should give me a lap dance" She says "That's really unprofessionally of you to ask a model for lapdance... hold up paused the movie WTF! I reminded her that we were in a strip club where she is a stripper so there is nothing "unprofessional" about my request. She goes on to say "I usually get tipped for sitting at someone's table talking to them" pointing at buddies who are tipping the strippers sitting in their laps. I again point out to her they are actively doing something and not just getting tipped for free. "You're an unprofessional asshole" She storms off. Did I miss something? Mar 26 17 08:07 am Link yeah her kid need a new pair of Nike shoe and you want her to work for free. Mar 26 17 08:14 am Link Yes, you missed the opportunity to throw your money away. No, you didn't do anything wrong. Tips aren't prepaid for service. Professional behavior is just a synonym for morality. If you are not behaving in the way that your accuser expects you to be, then you are unprofessional. Some professions which have licenses and state boards which oversee complaints of unprofessional behavior, do not micro manage definitions like they are on MM. Mar 26 17 08:19 am Link i wasn't aware of a requirement to tip for talk. around here they ask you to buy drinks. in your case it seems like the model was asking for trouble by inviting you to the rail. i had a similar situation and left some money for her on the rail but then went to the bar and had some coffee. the model commented on my absence but i wanted it to be more like visiting a friend in a club. Mar 26 17 09:13 am Link Oh man this is gold, MM is awesome. Mar 26 17 09:15 am Link Davian J wrote: Yes, you missed a lap dance. Mar 26 17 09:18 am Link ABH... Always Be Hustlin' Mar 26 17 09:33 am Link 
Model Posts: 6638 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica You know what you call a stripper who plays hard to get? Poor. Mar 26 17 10:39 am Link Never hire a stripper to model for you? R- Mar 26 17 11:48 am Link The only thing you need to understand about strip clubs is that when you walk in you are just a dick with a wallet and everyone's job inside is to get you to empty that wallet. Any conversation with a dancer is simply a tool to get you to to giver her more $$$. The concept of behavior being "professional" or not is completely irrelevant in this environment. You may have felt some bond or obligation to the dancer based on your prior work together, but she obviously treated you like any other desperate fool. The business of a strip club is a conspiracy between the bar and the dancers to be a constant temptation to spend money. So when you decline the offer to pay a dancer just to sit with you, just say no. End of story. Mar 26 17 12:26 pm Link are You sure this was a Strip Club and not a Gentlemens Club? Mar 26 17 01:05 pm Link Seems to me that if you are in a strip club, you & your stripper should act appropriately for a strip club. If you are on the set of your photo shoot, you & your model should act appropriately for a photo shoot. Mixing these up is not a good thing. Mar 26 17 01:18 pm Link If this is the most pressing problem you have in your life, consider yourself extremely fortunate. I would stay out of that club, and far, far away from that 'model'. If I saw her walking towards me on the sidewalk, I would cross the street, lol. Mar 26 17 01:26 pm Link Davian J wrote: Err what were they actually doing ? dare I ask. Mar 26 17 01:48 pm Link Forgetting for a second that we're talking about a stripper ... It's an employee in a commission based business that has no education or certification requirements. You're going to get the occasional pushy, obnoxious stripper, car salesman, or gym employee. It's actually a little naïve to think you'll never have a bad interaction with someone in that sort of job, because those jobs attract a lot of pushy, obnoxious people. On the bright side, she probably won't be there long. Mar 26 17 03:21 pm Link I stripped for four years. There are all types of strippers; I had great conversations with customers and generally enjoyed the social aspect of the work. I honed my conversational and sales skills, and stripping brought me out of my introvert shell a lot. I met all kinds of women who also worked as dancers, and some of them remain my close friends today. Others were crazy and unpleasant, but that was a minority. I never understood people who claim you should not use dancers as models. During my most productive and creative art modeling years, I was stripping during the weeks I'd be home between modeling tours. It's incredibly hard to hold down any type of job when you are coming and going all the time. Dancing allowed me a sense of freedom to pursue modeling as a lifestyle and serious focus, since I had no set schedule and could leave the state, then a few week later come back to work with no negative repercussions. Stripping also provided me the schedule and income I needed to go back to school as an adult, while remaining financially independent, so I was able to eventually transition into the professional career I have today. Mar 26 17 03:22 pm Link rick lesser wrote: Never speak in absolutes? Mar 26 17 03:54 pm Link rick lesser wrote: I have to agree there. I won't work with models who are also strippers. Their minds are skewed. Also I stopped going to strip clubs about 12 years ago. Mar 26 17 04:22 pm Link roger alan wrote: +100 Mar 26 17 04:24 pm Link Strippers are people. Some would be great models. Others aren't interested in modeling. Some of my model friends tried stripping & didn't like it. I took my mother for a mammogram & the radiology tech. was a dancer I knew. You weren't unprofessional. Mar 26 17 06:00 pm Link Zack Zoll wrote: In all fairness, let's not forget there are strip club patrons who are just as pushy, obnoxious and can’t meet certain educational requirements. Mar 26 17 07:10 pm Link OP, the day will come when you'll realize it was her lack of maturity at play here. And your lack of experience. Don't take offense, been there, done that. Mar 26 17 07:56 pm Link If you would have asked for a lap dance in your studio... VERY unprofessional. Asking for a lap dance at a strip club... hmmm... Doesn't she know that is part of the business..... (Unless it's a place that is ONLY stage shows and no private dances) If she didn't want you to ask for a lap dance because she knew you and felt that was uncomfortable (Which would be ok and I would understand) then she certainly didn't express that by inviting you to the rail and then coming to sit at your table. Mar 26 17 07:59 pm Link Loki Studio wrote: I have photographed a few strippers or as some prefer to be called "exotic dancers" ... and I have even been an "escort" for a few "dancers" and "celebrity character impersonators" that go to parties through entertainment agencies. I've been to strip clubs, and I understand that it is a business. In fact, a personal bond from the outside can be shelved because this is their environment where they work and you are just another potential "Dick" opening his wallet to them. I don't mean to make it so cold, but many strippers put themselves in another state of mind when they are doing their job. It's as important as a model focusing on being a "model" when posing for you, the photographer. Mar 26 17 08:51 pm Link I photograph many strippers, dancers, burlesque, sex workers. If I attend a show, I tip them, I buy a seat, or a table, I do NOT hire for sexual private shows & lap dances. (Unless they specifically offer to me & we are both comfortable) If I am at the club, YES, I tip them to chat just as any other client would. Sitting & chatting is a part of a strippers JOB! That is what they are paid for. If you don't want to tip someone for hanging at your table, then they will leave pretty quick to go sit & chat (WORK) at another table. Note: The best way to hire a stripper for a lapdance is to hand her a $20-50 while she is on stage not a $1. Mar 26 17 09:21 pm Link I've hired strippers as models. They fall in the bell curve plus a little more outside as far a professional behaviour. When I was an assistant photographer we got to work with the great Jenna Jameson and she said just buy a bottle of So Co (southern comfort) and she would be a happy camper to party after the shoot. Unfortunately the photographer I was working for declined her party invitation. Too bad. But the best is just expect the bell curve of behaviour to have a wide spread. Mar 26 17 09:57 pm Link For the record I have no bias against strippers, sex workers etc. My original question was basically "was I wrong to expect a stripper in a strip club to act like a stripper?" I wish I would have saved the texts I received that night I would screenshot it and post it. The funniest one was "You tipped that ugly ass chick Mercedes and got 2 dances from her but didn't give me shit. You're a fucking asshole. BTW you still need me for the event in May?" Pure Comedy! Mar 26 17 11:08 pm Link Let me put it this way and see how it sounds. I shot a model, learn that she works at Starbucks. Does that give me the right to go to her work and ask for a FREE drink? And if she said NO do I have the right to be mad? Mar 26 17 11:38 pm Link Davian J wrote: Yes. A shoot full of drama, head-games and headaches. Mar 27 17 12:13 am Link rick lesser wrote: One of the nicest, most thoughtful, and most professional models I ever worked with was a stripper. Maybe I just got the good one? Nah. Mar 27 17 12:16 am Link Why is this in the "general industry" category? I am sorry that your stripper treated you unprofessionally. Consider, however, spending your time and money in a more "professional" setting than a strip club. Mar 27 17 08:25 am Link barepixels wrote: Thats a strange analogy because the OP was willing to pay her, for a lap dance. Read it again. Mar 27 17 08:26 am Link A couple of the girls I work with on a regular basis are strippers. To be honest, I would feel kinda awkward getting a lap dance from them. Mar 27 17 09:05 am Link Davian J wrote: LOL Mar 27 17 09:07 am Link barepixels wrote: It would be more like knowing a model works at Starbucks, going there, her asking for a tip and calling you unprofessional for asking her to get you some coffee for that money. Mar 27 17 02:05 pm Link Eternal Photos wrote: That part 100+ Mar 27 17 02:23 pm Link That's how I read it. You didn't ask how much is a lapdance You said give me a lapdance Anyway, it's obvious she's only interest in you as a paying customer. Or more precise, she is only interested in you for your money Mar 27 17 02:40 pm Link My direct experience with strippers is limited, but standing on the side to observe I found most of them hate men. Perhaps they were mistreated by men all the time or it is a hustling place in the club. I also found that stripper is NOT the best model at all. They tend to get down and grind the ass which makes them look very short. Those lap dance pose is all they can do. OTOH, I prefer shooting Escorts. They are always nice and professional. They pay well too  Mar 27 17 03:02 pm Link I -LITERALLY- wrote the book on stripper selling. Seriously, I literally did. About 15 years ago I created the first of its kind, stripper sales school. I was featured on 20/20, in Playboy Magazine, countless other TV and radio shows, and was even a creative consultant for the Jerry Springer and the Tyra Banks show before selling the company to one of my original students. While there are many, many awesome women in that industry who live true professional lives outside the dancing world, they are definitely the minority. For many, if stripping wasn't legal, they would be homeless. Many women in the industry develop a huge entitlement mentality over time and believe that they deserve for you to give them money just because they are there. This typically comes from their own inability to sell dances effectively so they build up this emotional baggage and jealousy from the women who actually know how to make money in the business (without resorting to prostitution). It's sad, but I've seen it many, many times. It's a common denominator of the women who earn the least amount in any club but THINK they are earning the most. Strip clubs are one of the easiest places in the world to witness the Pareto Principle at work...20% of the strippers earn 80% of the money and the other 80% of the strippers earn 20% of the money. Mar 27 17 04:45 pm Link Shot By Adam wrote: a luxurious brothel in europe would follow the same concept, the ones with the fake maharaja's and roman pools Mar 27 17 09:20 pm Link |
