Garry k wrote:
Yes I could have simply started a Raphael Mazzucco Appreciation thread -but it would have died quickly cus 90 per cent of MMers probably don't know who the f he is

just like 90 percent of MMers didnt know who the f Richardson was until the controversies started

And what I have written about RM vs TR reflect the thoughts going through my head after meeting RM

He has some amazing work. I've been going through his site since I posted.
I just think turning a few people onto his work in a pleasant way is preferable to creating the shit storm this thread is destined to become just by throwing TR's name into the title.

It just didn't need to be done even if that's what you were thinking.

Thanks for the heads up about the guy though. I've seen plenty of his work it turns out, just never knew the name.

Garry k wrote:
Attended an event last night in honor of Mr Mazzucco

That's nice that you met Mr Mazzucco and have such a good impression of him.
So have you ever met Terry Richardson?  If not, then why the comparison? 

In my opinion, if you have never met someone, then you have no room to compare.
You should leave Terry Richardson out of this!

Keith Allen Phillips wrote:
Seriously man? You couldn't just say "Check this guy out, he's awesome because blah blah blah..."? You just had to try to stir up some shit by doing a little hating on TR? I guess since the latest TR thread died down it IS time for a new one. Good work

  My feelings exactly!

Garry k wrote:
Yes I could have simply started a Raphael Mazzucco Appreciation thread -but it would have died quickly cus 90 per cent of MMers probably don't know who the f he is

just like 90 percent of MMers didnt know who the f Richardson was until the controversies started

And what I have written about RM vs TR reflect the thoughts going through my head after meeting RM

So you are doing what is called trolling? If we had teh old Soap Box forum, this would be a fun subject to argue over.  Since SB is gone, this borders on a BD topic simple by your mentioning a "him vs the other guy" title.

Keith Allen Phillips wrote:
He has some amazing work. I've been going through his site since I posted.
I just think turning a few people onto his work in a pleasant way is preferable to creating the shit storm this thread is destined to become just by throwing TR's name into the title.

It just didn't need to be done even if that's what you were thinking.

Thanks for the heads up about the guy though. I've seen plenty of his work it turns out, just never knew the name.

Yes, he sounds like a great guy, and his work is really great!

One of these dupicate threads should be deleted.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=920642

Patrick Walberg wrote:
That's nice that you met Mr Mazzucco and have such a good impression of him.
So have you ever met Terry Richardson?  If not, then why the comparison? 

In my opinion, if you have never met someone, then you have no room to compare.
You should leave Terry Richardson out of this!

If You read what I have written very carefully  ....

All You will really see is that I have stated that I prefer RMs work to TRs

I offer no comment on TRs character

This thread though really seems to have got you going , lol

Garry k wrote:
If You read what I have written very carefully  ....
I offer no comment on TRs character

I think you kind of did when you wrote this:

Garry k wrote:
So in reflection of my encounter with Mr Mazzucco - all I can say really is that it is great to see that top fashion photographers can also be good human beings

Looks like you don't see TR as a good human being.

Garry k wrote:
[A] and He has a number of Coffee Table Books published - the latest being CULO ( which basically is a collection of female celebrity and top models derrieres )

[b]In the midst of all this - I did manage to have a few words with him and I found him to be unpretentious , approachable quite  friendly and dare I say charming  , Dressed very casually he struck me almost as a big kid who was wondering what all the fuss was about ( but i know he is used to far bigger fusses made over him )


[C]So in reflection of my encounter with Mr Mazzucco - all I can say really is that it is great to see that top fashion photographers can also be good human beings , and that not all of them require controversy in order to prosper

Oh and I like his work far better than TRs - but that of course is only my opinion

Hi Garry!

[A] I know the book Culo, saw it at Barnes & Noble last year sometimes, really like it.

However, I find your TR reference for "marketing" this thread dishonest.

[b] If you read the statements who work with Terry, you will find the exact same description of him, exactly, down to the childlike wonder.

[C] TR doesn't do the "controversy" to prosper, he does it because that's his "shtick", his own demons and hangup... he is just who he is... and other people, just like you just did, using him to pull attention to their own agendas.

Funny how this works, right? 

Best!

udor

m_s_photo wrote:
Raphael Mazzucco vs Hitler.

I dunno, do we NEED more than one demon in the world?

No that would would be Stalin vs Hitler

and that would have made for a great discussion back in the SB days

Jules NYC wrote:
I want to be so good as an artist that I can do some wacky thing and everyone celebrates it.

I guess the only time eccentricity is valued is if your product has value.

Garry k wrote:
So in reflection of my encounter with Mr Mazzucco - all I can say really is that it is great to see that top fashion photographers can also be good human beings , and that not all of them require controversy in order to prosper

Oh and I like his work far better than TRs - but that of course is only my opinion

What's your point exactly? Different strokes for different folks.

Same goes for the body of work. Person A's work you may love over Person B but that doesn't invalidate Person B's work. I also hear this ALL THE TIME about people criticsizing the body of work of Richard Avedon. "Its so simple", "its so easy a monkey could do it." Easy it may be but he had the guts to actually do it.

Garry k wrote:

This is the stuff!!!!!!
Thank you.
hee hee

Garry k wrote:
If You read what I have written very carefully  ....

All You will really see is that I have stated that I prefer RMs work to TRs

I offer no comment on TRs character

This thread though really seems to have got you going , lol

No, you did a side-by-side comparison. You commented about how Mazzucco is well loved & all that jazz then followed that by mentioning TR, implying that TR isn't as well loved as Mazzucco.

You even made the title, "Raphael Mazzucco vs Terry Richardson", listing it as a direct comparison.

Farenell Photography wrote:

No, you did a side-by-side comparison. You commented about how Mazzucco is well loved & all that jazz then followed that by mentioning TR, implying that TR isn't as well loved as Mazzucco.

You even made the title, "Raphael Mazzucco vs Terry Richardson", listing it as a direct comparison.

interpret it as you wish

Garry k wrote:
interpret it as you wish

How do you expecting people to interpret it when you yourself named the title of thread, ""Raphael Mazzucco vs Terry Richardson"?

Garry k wrote:
Attended an event last night in honor of Mr Mazzucco

He is the hometown hero who has become one of the great fashion shooters on the planet with his campaigns for Guess , Victoria Secret etc and his many SI Swimsuit Covers and Editorials

and He has a number of Coffee Table Books published - the latest being CULO ( which basically is a collection of female celebrity and top models derrieres )

Anyways back to last nights event - it was a bit of a mob scene with our local fashion crowd out in full force including of course a numbers of our citys top models ( who no doubt were given complimentary free passes to attend )

And the women were swarming him

In the midst of all this - I did manage to have a few words with him and I found him to be unpretentious , approachable quite  friendly and dare I say charming  , Dressed very casually he struck me almost as a big kid who was wondering what all the fuss was about ( but i know he is used to far bigger fusses made over him )

I am told by the promoter of the event ( who is a long time personal friend  of his, and short time friend of mine  ) that Raphael is a genuinely nice , decent and respectful photographer who also happens to be amazingly talented - and thus he is adored by his many female model subjects

So in reflection of my encounter with Mr Mazzucco - all I can say really is that it is great to see that top fashion photographers can also be good human beings , and that not all of them require controversy in order to prosper

Oh and I like his work far better than TRs - but that of course is only my opinion

That's what they people who know Terry say about him.

Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
I have a spring flower out in my yard that has offended less people than either of them. I can't see where someone's done something great for the world with SI swimsuits and photobooks of women's asses.

Just my thoughts when reading the op.

If you read what I have written carefully You will see that i have not made such a claim either

In my opinion 99 .99 % of photographers across all genres have not done anything "great " for the world

the only possible exceptions are perhaps those photojournalists who have captured a true historic moment or have given us a rare and unique glimpse into the human condition or the world in which we live in

Garry k wrote:
all I can say really is that it is great to see that top fashion photographers can also be good human beings , and that not all of them require controversy in order to prosper

Oh and I like his work far better than TRs - but that of course is only my opinion

Not all photographers require controversy in order to prosper but apparently some photographers need controversy to get people to read their threads.

Keith Allen Phillips wrote:
Seriously man? You couldn't just say "Check this guy out, he's awesome because blah blah blah..."? You just had to try to stir up some shit by doing a little hating on TR? I guess since the latest TR thread died down it IS time for a new one. Good work

This first response, and the thread could have ended right there, but it didn't !
-Don

Keith Allen Phillips wrote:
Seriously man? You couldn't just say "Check this guy out, he's awesome because blah blah blah..."? You just had to try to stir up some shit by doing a little hating on TR? I guess since the latest TR thread died down it IS time for a new one. Good work

This ^^

Kind of bored to death of TR but people keep realing him out in a desperate attempt to get themselves noticed and it usually works.

Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
I have a spring flower out in my yard that has offended less people than either of them. I can't see where someone's done something great for the world with SI swimsuits and photobooks of women's asses.

Just my thoughts when reading the op.

Garry k wrote:
If you read what I have written carefully You will see that i have not made such a claim either

In my opinion 99 .99 % of photographers across all genres have not done anything "great " for the world

the only possible exceptions are perhaps those photojournalists who have captured a true historic moment or have given us a rare and unique glimpse into the human condition or the world in which we live in

I read what you wrote carefully enough. You compare two photographers, one, Raphael Mazzuco, who you describe as a "good human being" who does not require "controversy in order to prosper". You mention that you prefer his work to that of Terry Richardson. This. of course, reflects well on your character. Extraordinarily well, considering all the laudatory, even near worshipful, things you were told about  RM. I can see where your take-away on the events described would be you giving yourself a bit of a pat on the back and letting the world know the sterling character of one who you so perceptively preferred anyway and your discerning and virtuous character for having that view.

I think I read your op carefully enough and I got your point.

In my response, I was pointing out that relative to the innocent and beautiful flower in my yard there's not much difference between the photographers you mentioned.

You see my virtuous and noble character is attested to by my appreciation of the innocent and inoffensive flower just as yours is attested to by your appreciation of the scandal and, thus far, controversy free, personable, chick magnet, RM with his books on fashionable asses and SI swimsuit shoots. Clear enough?

udor wrote:
Hi Garry!

[A] I know the book Culo, saw it at Barnes & Noble last year sometimes, really like it.

However, I find your TR reference for "marketing" this thread dishonest.

Actually if you think about it carefully - the title is very honest


Both are 40 something Fashion photographers at the top of the game ( and of their game )

Both live , work and socialize in the world of the rich and famous


Both Shoot Major Fashion Campaigns


Both Shoot Celebs


Both Shoot Shoot Top Fashion Models - often in a state of undress


Both have published Books of their photography


etc


As far as which is the better person or if either is a "good "person -( whatever that is )  who really knows .....Public perception may favor one or the other - but we also know how wrong public perception can be ...We might not even know the true quality of their characters if we knew both personally


Oh and by the way - Among top 40 something male fashion photographers ( who do  fashion campaigns , books and top model nudes ) who would you compare to TR with respect to say even the quality of their work?

and don't cop out by saying that you don't make comparisons - we all do

Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:

Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
I have a spring flower out in my yard that has offended less people than either of them. I can't see where someone's done something great for the world with SI swimsuits and photobooks of women's asses.

Just my thoughts when reading the op.

I read what you wrote carefully enough. You compare two photographers, one, Raphael Mazzuco, who you describe as a "good human being" who does not require "controversy in order to prosper". You mention that you prefer his work to that of Terry Richardson. This. of course, reflects well on your character. Extraordinarily well, considering all the laudatory, even near worshipful, things you were told about  RM. I can see where your take-away on the events described would be you giving yourself a bit of a pat on the back and letting the world know the sterling character of one who you so perceptively preferred anyway and your discerning and virtuous character for having that view.

I think I read your op carefully enough and I got your point.

In my response, I was pointing out that relative to the innocent and beautiful flower in my yard there's not much difference between the photographers you mentioned.

You see my virtuous and noble character is attested to by my appreciation of the innocent and inoffensive flower just as yours is attested to by your appreciation of the scandal and, thus far, controversy free, personable, chick magnet, RM with his books on fashionable asses and SI swimsuit shoots. Clear enough?

Well , all I can say to that is that one mans flower is another mans weed

udor wrote:
Hi Garry!

[A] I know the book Culo, saw it at Barnes & Noble last year sometimes, really like it.

However, I find your TR reference for "marketing" this thread dishonest.

[b] If you read the statements who work with Terry, you will find the exact same description of him, exactly, down to the childlike wonder.

[C] TR doesn't do the "controversy" to prosper, he does it because that's his "shtick", his own demons and hangup... he is just who he is... and other people, just like you just did, using him to pull attention to their own agendas.

Funny how this works, right? 

Best!

udor

+1 to the man that lives in NYC and shoots for a living.

Cheers Udor.

Garry k wrote:
Attended an event last night in honor of Mr Mazzucco

He is the hometown hero who has become one of the great fashion shooters on the planet with his campaigns for Guess , Victoria Secret etc and his many SI Swimsuit Covers and Editorials

and He has a number of Coffee Table Books published - the latest being CULO ( which basically is a collection of female celebrity and top models derrieres )

Anyways back to last nights event - it was a bit of a mob scene with our local fashion crowd out in full force including of course a numbers of our citys top models ( who no doubt were given complimentary free passes to attend )

And the women were swarming him

In the midst of all this - I did manage to have a few words with him and I found him to be unpretentious , approachable quite  friendly and dare I say charming  , Dressed very casually he struck me almost as a big kid who was wondering what all the fuss was about ( but i know he is used to far bigger fusses made over him )

I am told by the promoter of the event ( who is a long time personal friend  of his, and short time friend of mine  ) that Raphael is a genuinely nice , decent and respectful photographer who also happens to be amazingly talented - and thus he is adored by his many female model subjects

So in reflection of my encounter with Mr Mazzucco - all I can say really is that it is great to see that top fashion photographers can also be good human beings , and that not all of them require controversy in order to prosper

Oh and I like his work far better than TRs - but that of course is only my opinion

Very cool...
Thanks for sharing you encounter...

Biff Uranus wrote:

+1 to the man that lives in NYC and shoots for a living.

Cheers Udor.

Thank You for your contribution to this thread Mr Uranus