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AlternativePhotographer
Posts: 3
Portland, Oregon, US
I need to know the exact laws regarding a 17 year old girl who wanted pics taken of her in her lingerie. She is not nude and she was just a friend. She was not a professional model. I had the pics up on my Myspace portfolio page and she asked me to take them down because she has changed her mind about wanting to show that much of her body. Also, at the time, she never told me she was 17. She is sending me a consent form for me to sign and I am willing to sign it, but I don't want to have to take down the lingerie pics as they were good work. She has mentioned legal action because the pics were "child porn". I think that's bull. Please help.
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B Browder Photo
Posts: 14635
Charleston, South Carolina, US
oh boy here we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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dklee studio photo
Posts: 2587
Richmond, Virginia, US
oh man!!! i wanted to be first...
how come people who posts these types of questions don't have any post counts? do you not read the forums at all??? how about the search feature...
basically, nothing wrong with underage models/girls/myspace whores etc.. in lingerie. shoo, take a picture of her topless, and it is legal...
the problem you are running into is that she did not sign a release form, a minor release form, so you can't use the images. regardless if they will win you some huge award, you are SOL unless she gives you the permission...
so, bad you for being a poor planner and not get her to sign anything beforehand. SHAME on you for not knowing her age. I don't want to call you out or anything, but are you a GWC?
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Tim Little Photography
Posts: 11771
Wilmington, Delaware, US
Get a lawyer. You have opened yourself up to a huge world of hurt. It doesn't matter if you don't think the pics are child porn. You took pictures of a young girl wearing next to nothing. Doesn't matter that she asked you. There are going to be people that are going to see you as a predator, pervert and criminal. Get a lawyer.
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ChrisBlaze
Posts: 125
Honolulu, Hawaii, US
I take it you didn't have her sign a minor release form? IF you didn't do that, that was your stupidity friend or not.
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Lund Photography
Posts: 890
Puyallup, Washington, US
VE Productions wrote:
I need to know the exact laws regarding a 17 year old girl who wanted pics taken of her in her lingerie. She is not nude and she was just a friend. She was not a professional model. I had the pics up on my Myspace portfolio page and she asked me to take them down because she has changed her mind about wanting to show that much of her body. Also, at the time, she never told me she was 17. She is sending me a consent form for me to sign and I am willing to sign it, but I don't want to have to take down the lingerie pics as they were good work. She has mentioned legal action because the pics were "child porn". I think that's bull. Please help. #1 You shot a minor
#2 A minor in lingerie is not illegal
#3 YOU'RE signing a consent form?
Now.. Did you happen to check ID when you shot, get a release? If you didn't get a release or check ID (friend or not), it's your fault.
My advise.. Backup the files (HD drive, cd, DVD, etc) then delete them from your myspace, mayhem, OMP and other sites and forget about the work. If you say it's good work, find another model not a minor (because this time you will check ID and get a release)..
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M_M_P
Posts: 3410
Seattle, Washington, US
Please do not post the same topic in multiple forums.
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dklee studio photo
Posts: 2587
Richmond, Virginia, US
Tim Little Photography wrote:
Get a lawyer. You have opened yourself up to a huge world of hurt. It doesn't matter if you don't think the pics are child porn. You took pictures of a young girl wearing next to nothing. Doesn't matter that she asked you. There are going to be people that are going to see you as a predator, pervert and criminal. Get a lawyer. GET A CLUE.
OP.. you do not need to get a lawyer. regardless of how dumb your actions were, you do not need to get a lawyer, or seek legal aid. advice like that will only come from people who know nothing about the law, and want to spread fear to the masses..... What is the difference between lingerie and bikini? shooo, some of the bikini outfits actually have less covering than lingerie... how about implied? more is covered, but she is nude, is that grounds to get a lawyer??? of course not...
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
VE Productions wrote:
I need to know the exact laws regarding a 17 year old girl who wanted pics taken of her in her lingerie. She is not nude and she was just a friend. She was not a professional model. I had the pics up on my Myspace portfolio page and she asked me to take them down because she has changed her mind about wanting to show that much of her body. Also, at the time, she never told me she was 17. She is sending me a consent form for me to sign and I am willing to sign it, but I don't want to have to take down the lingerie pics as they were good work. She has mentioned legal action because the pics were "child porn". I think that's bull. Please help. You have a release form signed by her legal guardian?
No?
Take them down.
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
MULTIPLE THREADS GET LOCKED 
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GH-Photography
Posts: 9424
Jacksonville, Florida, US
whos got the popcorn?
Also, its not really good practice to double post.
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Lund Photography
Posts: 890
Puyallup, Washington, US
Lumen Photography wrote:
whos got the popcorn?
Also, its not really good practice to double post. I think it's 'cubed' now..
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
haha cubed..
does that mean he DId 4posts?..
like a cube?
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Tim Little Photography
Posts: 11771
Wilmington, Delaware, US
DKLEE STUDIO wrote:
GET A CLUE.
OP.. you do not need to get a lawyer. regardless of how dumb your actions were, you do not need to get a lawyer, or seek legal aid. advice like that will only come from people who know nothing about the law, and want to spread fear to the masses..... What is the difference between lingerie and bikini? shooo, some of the bikini outfits actually have less covering than lingerie... how about implied? more is covered, but she is nude, is that grounds to get a lawyer??? of course not... To quote the OP "She has mentioned legal action because the pics were "child porn".
She is thinking legal action and child porn and you don't think this guy needs a lawyer? Get a clue! The difference between lingerie and bikini don't matter. When an underage girl makes a claim of child porn people in power are going to listen, facts be damned. This man needs a lawyer, not a discussion about the difference between lingerie and bikini's!
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Lund Photography
Posts: 890
Puyallup, Washington, US
iiiiiiiiiiiiiTs KYM wrote:
haha cubed..
does that mean he DId 4posts?..
like a cube? yep..
*btw, nice figure work..*
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dklee studio photo
Posts: 2587
Richmond, Virginia, US
i apologize.. for some reason.. i did not see the legal action part...
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
PONY UP~
get someone who knows how to do stuff.. like post threads...... Talk to people.. you need someone to know NOT to take pictures of someone underage..
EWWWWW.. who wants lingerie pictures of a girl who is ILLEGAL
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DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Just be the bigger guy and take the pics down.....I'm sure you have done much more work since the pics of her...
Are you going to lose any biz by just taking them down and getting rid of this headache??????
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Lund Photography
Posts: 890
Puyallup, Washington, US
iiiiiiiiiiiiiTs KYM wrote:
PONY UP~
get someone who knows how to do stuff.. like post threads...... Talk to people.. you need someone to know NOT to take pictures of someone underage..
EWWWWW.. who wants lingerie pictures of a girl who is ILLEGAL There's absolutely 100% nothing illegal about shooting a minor in lingerie or even nude.. You just set yourself up to headaches..
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DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
iiiiiiiiiiiiiTs KYM wrote:
PONY UP~
get someone who knows how to do stuff.. like post threads...... Talk to people.. you need someone to know NOT to take pictures of someone underage..
EWWWWW.. who wants lingerie pictures of a girl who is ILLEGAL um probably half of the models in Vogue and W and other fashion mags are either underage or just barely legal......then again I guess we aren't talking about that type of work...
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
Lund Photography wrote:
There's absolutely 100% nothing illegal about shooting a minor in lingerie or even nude.. You just set yourself up to headaches.. and...prove to the world that you are a PEdafile...thats all..nope nothing bad or anything ;\
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GH-Photography
Posts: 9424
Jacksonville, Florida, US
I'm trying to word this in a nice way,
This should have been avoidable
I think that with a higher level of professionalism, less situations like these are likely to arise.
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
Lumen Photography wrote:
I'm trying to word this in a nice,
This should have been avoidable
I think that with a higher level of professionalism, less situations like these are likely to arise. situation avoided....DONT SHOOT MINORS FOR LINGERIE~
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Lund Photography
Posts: 890
Puyallup, Washington, US
iiiiiiiiiiiiiTs KYM wrote:
and...prove to the world that you are a PEdafile...thats all..nope nothing bad or anything ;\ There's a difference between Pedophile and legit shooting..
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DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
iiiiiiiiiiiiiTs KYM wrote:
and...prove to the world that you are a PEdafile...thats all..nope nothing bad or anything ;\ wow I guess some of the big named photographers in this biz are pedophiles????
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B Browder Photo
Posts: 14635
Charleston, South Carolina, US
ok we are climbing the first drop on the coaster here we go weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! will it or will it not derail LOL
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GH-Photography
Posts: 9424
Jacksonville, Florida, US
Lund Photography wrote:
There's a difference between Pedophile and legit shooting.. And this is where professionalism comes in. Professionalism is not just having a nice camera or taking pictures for money. Its about the skill, knowledge and common sense. If something is going to come back and bite you on the ass. Don't do it. There is nothing wrong with shooting minors a lot of pro models are minors. I have 15 year-old in my book thats at Ford, and has more fashion tears then most 10 years older than her. Was I about to shoot her in an inappropriate way. Of' course not.
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24079
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
VE Productions wrote:
I need to know the exact laws regarding a 17 year old girl who wanted pics taken of her in her lingerie. She is not nude and she was just a friend. She was not a professional model. I had the pics up on my Myspace portfolio page and she asked me to take them down because she has changed her mind about wanting to show that much of her body. Also, at the time, she never told me she was 17. She is sending me a consent form for me to sign and I am willing to sign it, but I don't want to have to take down the lingerie pics as they were good work. She has mentioned legal action because the pics were "child porn". I think that's bull. Please help. wow, this is just a grab bag of goodies here.
So let's see, beyond the obvious of - it's creepy for me to hang out with girls that young "as friends" and I'm 26, now I'm going to assume for a min that you're over 23, which would mean it's kinda creepy that you have "friends" that young... but that's beside the point.
I had a "model" friend ask me to take some lingerie pics of her, she was of age, and she also gave me the run around as far as when, where, and how long. She also didn't talk to me for a few weeks and then all of a sudden wanted me to take the picture of her I had up down, I told her to screw off, I took the image down, and I ignored her. If she doesn't want to play nice she doesn't get to play at all.
That being said, you should just have taken them down right away - in fact you shouldn't have put them up in the first place.
But anyway, that's not even the best part...
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU SIGN SOMETHING! I don't get it, or am I missing something here?
You think "child porn" is bull? Just call her on the bluff and see how your life changes... I'm not saying you taking those pictures was a bad idea. But you taking them of a "friend" sans a release signed by her parents or guardian, and not having an escort or assistant at the shoot. Damn, I wish I had balls like you to call that bluff.
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Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28657
Phoenix, Arizona, US
DKLEE STUDIO wrote:
GET A CLUE.
OP.. you do not need to get a lawyer. regardless of how dumb your actions were, you do not need to get a lawyer, or seek legal aid. advice like that will only come from people who know nothing about the law, and want to spread fear to the masses..... What is the difference between lingerie and bikini? shooo, some of the bikini outfits actually have less covering than lingerie... how about implied? more is covered, but she is nude, is that grounds to get a lawyer??? of course not... Actually he might need one. If he had her sign a release, but failed to get a parent's signature as well. Minors cannot contract in their name.
It's not the lingerie part he has to worry about.
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
THIS GUY~
is a .. none Experienced "wanna take pictures of a teenager in lingerie" Photographer..
he IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL.. there is a BIG BLACK THICK LINE BETWEEN THE 2..
its one thing to take pics of a teen for old navy PJ's
its a COMPLETE OTHER ENTIRE THING..taking pics in your bedroom.. on your bed.. of a teenager.. who has on see thru lingerie..
SEX OFFEDNER STYLE...we all watch dateline NBC... c'mon.. you know the difference.. EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
i feel dirty just talking about this.. *going to go SCRUB HARD*
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DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
just be a good guy and take the pics down and get rid of the problem.....
why egg this situation on???
The pics can't be that darn good for all of this drama !!!!!!!
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24079
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Tim Little Photography wrote:
Get a lawyer. You have opened yourself up to a huge world of hurt. It doesn't matter if you don't think the pics are child porn. You took pictures of a young girl wearing next to nothing. Doesn't matter that she asked you. There are going to be people that are going to see you as a predator, pervert and criminal. Get a lawyer. naw, I'd just suggest he take the pictures down before things get too far, and that he not make a big deal about it. I may also suggest that he just get rid of the pictures, or at the very least get them as far away from public facing that they can.
There will be time to get a lawyer later if things get that far.
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J Scott Photography
Posts: 98
Cleveland, Ohio, US
A true professional would just take them down and respect her wishes. How old are we that you're bickering back and forth with a 17 year old.
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
dncphotos wrote:
just be a good guy and take the pics down and get rid of the problem.....
why egg this situation on???
The pics can't be that darn good for all of this drama !!!!!!! they are EXACTLY how i described.. taken on his bed..in his bedroom.. and the girl has on see thru lingerie.. AND.. they are ALMOST POV images.. (point of view..porn style)
i can understand why SHE thinks they are porn.. she porbally didnt know..OR didnt want to upset the photog at time of shoot ..so went along with it.. (BECAUSE SHE IS only 17...and doesnt know how to deal with inappropriate situations yet)
and felt HORRIBLE AFTERWARDS.. and most likely emailed him ASKING to take them down.. and HE is flipping out now.. because they are his "best" erotic shots..
WHICH ARE ILLEGAL.. they arent classy.. or cute.. they are EROTIC style..
BELIEVE ME~ i know the difference..
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B Browder Photo
Posts: 14635
Charleston, South Carolina, US
![https://www.wehaitians.com/pedophile_1.jpg]() "What are you doing here"
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Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28657
Phoenix, Arizona, US
if it's the black girl in the lingerie in your port, they're not that good.
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24079
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
iiiiiiiiiiiiiTs KYM wrote:
BELIEVE ME~ i know the difference.. I want to see proof, in pictures, of you, pm me for details.
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J Scott Photography
Posts: 98
Cleveland, Ohio, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Actually he might need one. If he had her sign a release, but failed to get a parent's signature as well. Minors cannot contract in their name.
It's not the lingerie part he has to worry about. I agree. The content is not the legal issue, moral to some. But not having a parent there and signing a release was a huge mistake.
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
J Scott Photography wrote:
A true professional would just take them down and respect her wishes. How old are we that you're bickering back and forth with a 17 year old. not WITH .. FOR.. a 17year old...
this guy WANTS the images up.. she wants them off..
the US GOVERNMENT says they are illegal
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