Forums > Photography Talk > How do you guys fight nasty 12 o' clock sunlight?

Photographer

Daniel Leon

Posts: 1389

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Besides avoiding this harsh sunlight whenever possible,I've my ways to make it work around it,from the boring shooting in the shade,to on camera fill flash and my personal favorite reflector addiction.

Anyone,I'd love to hear from you guys on techniques you use to work in this light.The wedding season is starting again and I'm really sick of the usual "hide under the tree" formals.

Apr 09 08 03:32 pm Link

Photographer

Paul Pardue Photography

Posts: 5459

Oakland, California, US

Daniel Leon wrote:
Besides avoiding this harsh sunlight whenever possible,I've my ways to make it work around it,from the boring shooting in the shade,to on camera fill flash and my personal favorite reflector addiction.

Anyone,I'd love to hear from you guys on techniques you use to work in this light.The wedding season is starting again and I'm really sick of the usual "hide under the tree" formals.

hide under a bridge, or behind a building, or under the table, but what ever ou do, stay away from bridezilla

Apr 09 08 03:33 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Baybo

Posts: 1417

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Scrim is the word...or shoot after 3

Apr 09 08 03:34 pm Link

Photographer

Cthulhu77

Posts: 1142

Gilbert, Arizona, US

I've tried a number of ways to combat the desert sun...on monday, we did a mid-day shoot, and my right eye was damaged, perhaps permanently. Lots of boric acid, an eye patch, and feeling like a complete idiot.

And this was with two uv filters on, and cans. Arizona. Go figure.

Apr 09 08 03:35 pm Link

Photographer

Cogito Ergo Zoom

Posts: 5105

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

The pros use a diffuser tent, especially for beach shoots.

Apr 09 08 03:36 pm Link

Photographer

gabriel chouinard

Posts: 73

Baldwin, Florida, US

I've always followed the idea that you only shoot in the morning and afternoon, personally.

Apr 09 08 03:37 pm Link

Photographer

Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Over-power it with big lights.

Apr 09 08 03:39 pm Link

Photographer

MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Shoot in the morning. Drink in the afternoon. Shoot in the evening.

Repeat.

Apr 09 08 03:39 pm Link

Photographer

Daniel Leon

Posts: 1389

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

gabriel chouinard wrote:
I've always followed the idea that you only shoot in the morning and afternoon, personally.

On my own shoots I do that,but weddings are not planned by us,and all too often we're stuck with the bad.

Apr 09 08 03:42 pm Link

Photographer

Xeris - Dwight

Posts: 4369

Austin, Texas, US

Take a siesta.

Apr 09 08 03:42 pm Link

Photographer

TimValencia Photography

Posts: 1138

Brooklyn, New York, US

Brian Baybo wrote:
Scrim is the word...or shoot after 3

Word..what he said...

Apr 09 08 03:43 pm Link

Photographer

Philipe

Posts: 5302

Pomona, California, US

I never shoot 12 noon..........Why shoot 12 noon?
Shoot after 3 pm or early morning........

Apr 09 08 03:44 pm Link

Photographer

Cthulhu77

Posts: 1142

Gilbert, Arizona, US

Well, when everyone shows up at noon...

Apr 09 08 03:45 pm Link

Filmmaker

Mike Walker

Posts: 47

Costa Mesa, California, US

Flags help..Large diffusers/tents too. So does natural shade...all with fill flash or reflectors of course.

Apr 09 08 03:45 pm Link

Photographer

Lumondo Photography

Posts: 779

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

JSmith - Photographer wrote:
The pros use a diffuser tent, especially for beach shoots.

Yes - scrim scrim scrim and keyshift up.

Apr 09 08 03:45 pm Link

Photographer

TDL

Posts: 579

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

i bring a strobe and battery pack, and turn the sun into a rim light.

Apr 09 08 03:46 pm Link

Model

Melissa Wilkinson

Posts: 1375

Clearwater, Florida, US

Philipe wrote:
I never shoot 12 noon..........Why shoot 12 noon?
Shoot after 3 pm or early morning........

Because the time of a wedding is not determined by a photographer

Apr 09 08 03:46 pm Link

Photographer

Nadirah B

Posts: 28521

Los Angeles, California, US

He did say for a wedding

Weddings happen when they're happening.

Apr 09 08 03:47 pm Link

Photographer

Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 9421

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I produced an entire video on the techniques of shooting during the day with bad light.

I just had it converted to DVD and it's now available

The Ken Marcus Glamour Workshop Video Series . . . Volume 3

KM

Apr 09 08 03:47 pm Link

Photographer

Daniel Leon

Posts: 1389

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

LADY SWEET FACE wrote:
He did say for a wedding

Weddings happen when they're happening.

smile

Apr 09 08 03:50 pm Link

Photographer

JA Sanchez

Posts: 6830

Miami, Florida, US

If I have to shoot at high noon, I just shoot photojournalist style. Basically that means I just worry about exposing the subject properly and focus, and forget everything else.

Apr 09 08 03:51 pm Link

Photographer

BlindMike

Posts: 9594

San Francisco, California, US

Have them look up, pose them lying down, shoot from above, etc.

Apr 09 08 03:52 pm Link

Photographer

Habenero Photography

Posts: 1444

Mesa, Arizona, US

Cthulhu77 wrote:
Well, when everyone shows up at noon...

Take an EZup, Caravan or other 10'x10' canvas tent and set it up to provide shade where needed.  You can use the sides zipped together for additional scrims, if you are clever enough.

Apr 09 08 03:55 pm Link

Photographer

Duckee

Posts: 243

Brooklyn, New York, US

word.  what they said.  a 12 ft scrim is usually good, unless you're doing a group shot. 

and you can always overpower the sun... but you're going to need a lot of juice for that.


TimValencia Photography wrote:

Word..what he said...

Apr 09 08 04:01 pm Link

Photographer

nwprophoto

Posts: 15005

Tonasket, Washington, US

I don't. I leave that for the snap shooters.

Apr 09 08 04:13 pm Link

Photographer

Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

How do you guys fight nasty 12 o' clock sunlight?

Oh it's freakin NASTY alright... that's why not a SINGLE Select Models photoshoot has EVER started before 1pm (including the 3 we have in April)... with almost all being conducted in FAR MORE PLEASANT afternoon and evening light... wink

Apr 09 08 04:18 pm Link

Photographer

Jasons Photography

Posts: 136

Phoenix, Arizona, US

If its not too windy overhead scrim.

Apr 09 08 04:19 pm Link

Photographer

Rob Domaschuk

Posts: 5715

Naperville, Illinois, US

If it is really harsh overhead light, I would rather everyone chill out and relax than get overheated working in those conditions just to end up with bad shots.

Cold beer is an excellent answer.

Otherwise, shoot in the morning and use the late-morning to mid afternoon period to scout new locations.

Apr 09 08 04:21 pm Link

Artist/Painter

ethasleftthebuilding

Posts: 16685

Key West, Florida, US

Daniel Leon wrote:

On my own shoots I do that,but weddings are not planned by us,and all too often we're stuck with the bad.

Educate your clients.  During my wedding consultations, I question the bride about her wedding day and offer suggestions for little things she can tweak to make her day run smoother and get her better photos. 

I begin by reminding her that the reason brides hire a professional photographer is because we are the experts at making the best possibly wedding photos for her.  I have photographed weddings at all the local outdoor wedding venues, so I can show examples of "good light" vs "bad light".  The advice comes from 20+ years of experience and is nearly always very well received. 

For outdoor weddings, many brides will then ask me what time the wedding ceremony should be for the best light for photos.

Educated clients are the best clients.

Apr 09 08 04:24 pm Link

Photographer

lightonpixels

Posts: 1786

New York, New York, US

i don't shoot brides or weddings, but in general, i would think putting your assistant on a step ladder with a big diffuser would solve the problem.

Apr 09 08 04:26 pm Link

Photographer

Marvin Dockery

Posts: 2243

Alcoa, Tennessee, US

Daniel Leon wrote:
Besides avoiding this harsh sunlight whenever possible,I've my ways to make it work around it,from the boring shooting in the shade,to on camera fill flash and my personal favorite reflector addiction.

Anyone,I'd love to hear from you guys on techniques you use to work in this light.The wedding season is starting again and I'm really sick of the usual "hide under the tree" formals.

I use a large scrim. You will need two ladders and some helpers.

Apr 09 08 04:28 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Baybo

Posts: 1417

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Tony Di Lorenzo wrote:
i bring a strobe and battery pack, and turn the sun into a rim light.

This is a damn good solution too. You have to kick up the srtobe to eliminate the harsh shadows from under the weeping grooms forehead

Apr 09 08 04:29 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Baybo

Posts: 1417

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Jasons Photography wrote:
If its not too windy overhead scrim.

Scrim seems to be the word

Apr 09 08 04:29 pm Link

Photographer

Couture Shots

Posts: 753

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

JSmith - Photographer wrote:
The pros use a diffuser tent, especially for beach shoots.

Yup or get an assistant to hold a huge diffusion panel off camera if you're doing medium framed shots.

Apr 09 08 04:31 pm Link

Photographer

Daniel Leon

Posts: 1389

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

von francklau wrote:

Educate your clients.  During my wedding consultations, I question the bride about her wedding day and offer suggestions for little things she can tweak to make her day run smoother and get her better photos. 

I begin by reminding her that the reason brides hire a professional photographer is because we are the experts at making the best possibly wedding photos for her.  I have photographed weddings at all the local outdoor wedding venues, so I can show examples of "good light" vs "bad light".  The advice comes from 20+ years of experience and is nearly always very well received. 

For outdoor weddings, many brides will then ask me what time the wedding ceremony should be for the best light for photos.

Educated clients are the best clients.

I work for a couple local studios,we often haven't met the couple till the day of the event and have no input in the planning.
Obviously shooting in the evening and having a well planned day is better,but it often isn't the case which is why I was curious about what people did in those ocassions.

On the studio's defense,I'm positive they will suggest to the couple that they plan their day the best possible,but that has nothing to do with them being compliant with it.

I find customers rarely ever think about things they could do to ensure they end up with great images.
In most cases,the bride's pattern of thought is: "Why does this matter,I hired a photographer so surely every image will be beautiful".

So I look for ways to work around it smile

Apr 09 08 04:34 pm Link

Photographer

DeBault_Photography

Posts: 125

Cincinnati, Ohio, US

Different kind of shooting. But....

The races I cover are at noon and 3pm - always. The riders wear helmets with visors that shadow their faces and its SUCKS. You can't use any kind of reflective material or such so you are stuck with fill flash.

Apr 09 08 04:37 pm Link

Photographer

Lily of the Valley

Posts: 1002

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

MMDesign wrote:
Shoot in the morning. Drink in the afternoon. Shoot in the evening.

Repeat.

exactly my upcoming plan smile

Apr 09 08 04:41 pm Link

Photographer

Blue Cube Imaging

Posts: 11883

Ashland, Oregon, US

Apr 09 08 04:46 pm Link

Photographer

bidewell photography

Posts: 694

Terre Haute, Indiana, US

Tony Di Lorenzo wrote:
i bring a strobe and battery pack, and turn the sun into a rim light.

I agree! I've shot a few weddings here in the new mexico sun. Use the sun as a rim or backlight and use a powerful fill flash. I've had good results with my 580.

Apr 09 08 04:47 pm Link

Photographer

M B

Posts: 671

Chicago, Illinois, US

shoot at dawn

Apr 09 08 04:47 pm Link