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R A V E N D R I V E

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New York, New York, US

Hello

I can't seem to find the answer for this in my normal search habits, the 3-point lighting page on wikipedia uses the term grid as well , yet the disambiguation page has nothing about grid for lighting / photography

If I could get some insight into that I would greatly appreciate it.

Sep 30 08 03:53 pm Link

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Fine Art by Ariston

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Los Angeles, California, US

A grid spot comes in varying degrees i.e. 10, 20 etc.  It focuses the light by funneling it through the grid.  It provides a wider beam than a snoot so it works great for focusing light on a particular part of the subject.  They typically attach directly to the speedring or some other part of the flash head.

Sep 30 08 03:55 pm Link

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MMDesign

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Louisville, Kentucky, US

Sep 30 08 03:55 pm Link

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MB-1

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Honolulu, Hawaii, US

Looks like a honeycomb, limits light into a tighter spread. They make them for reflectors, beauty dishes, and softboxes to name a few.

Sep 30 08 03:58 pm Link

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R A V E N D R I V E

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New York, New York, US

AristonPhotog wrote:
It provides a wider beam than a snoot so it works great for focusing light on a particular part of the subject... They typically attach directly to the speedring or some other part of the flash head.

okay, what is a speedring and what is a snoot?  i haven't tried googling these terms yet.

Sep 30 08 03:58 pm Link

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R A V E N D R I V E

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New York, New York, US

Michael Bonner wrote:
Looks like a honeycomb, limits light into a tighter spread. They make them for reflectors, beauty dishes, and softboxes to name a few.

ermm, alot of vocabulary here. is there some sort of primer anyone suggest I read?

Sep 30 08 03:59 pm Link

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MB-1

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Honolulu, Hawaii, US

Ravendrive Productions wrote:
okay, what is a speedring and what is a snoot?  i haven't tried googling these terms yet.

A speedring is the coupling device that allows you to attach modifiers to your strobe and a snoot is like a funnel that attaches to your light to create a tight beam.

Sep 30 08 04:00 pm Link

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4C 41 42

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

Typically it's a honeycomb filter that fits into the reflector on the light.  Here's the Alien Bees version:

http://www.alienbees.com/hg4x.html

Most brands have something similar though.  Used to control the spread of the light.  Good when you want a relatively small lit area with sharp shadows.  The light falloff is somewhat gradual.

This isn't a great example, but I used a grid on this shot.  The light falloff around the edges is as it was shot.  Not much done to it in post (although I need to remove that damn star):

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=7621424

Sep 30 08 04:00 pm Link

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Steve Reganato

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New York, New York, US

A grid concentrates the light, like a spot but with much softer edges. The grid fits into the reflector on your light. In a three point lighting scheme it would be useful as the hair light. Grids, which actually don't have a grid patter, they actually have a honeycomb patten come in different densities, meaning the size of the hole in the pattern, from very tight, to more open. The tighter the grid the more concentrated the spot. Of course using a grid, especially a tight one will effect the light output from that source to make sure you take measurements to get that light to the output you need.

Sep 30 08 04:00 pm Link

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Fine Art by Ariston

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Los Angeles, California, US

A speedring attaches a light modifier, typically a softbox, to the flash itself.  A snoot is a funnel that attaches to the flash...basically turns the wide beam of the flash into a spot light, but with a very narrow beam.

Sep 30 08 04:00 pm Link

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Morton Visuals

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Hope, Idaho, US

Don't forget you can also grid softboxes, etc.
http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/LT9609/

Sep 30 08 04:01 pm Link

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MB-1

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Honolulu, Hawaii, US

Ravendrive Productions wrote:
ermm, alot of vocabulary here. is there some sort of primer anyone suggest I read?

Try this:

http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html

smile

Sep 30 08 04:01 pm Link

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Steve Reganato

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New York, New York, US

A grid concentrates the light, like a spot but with much softer edges. The grid fits into the reflector on your light. In a three point lighting scheme it would be useful as the hair light. Grids, which actually don't have a grid pattern, they actually have a honeycomb pattern, come in different densities, meaning the size of the hole in the pattern, from very tight, to more open. The tighter the grid the more concentrated the spot. Of course using a grid, especially a tight one will effect the light output from that source to make sure you take measurements to get that light to the output you need.

Sep 30 08 04:01 pm Link

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MMDesign

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Louisville, Kentucky, US

Ravendrive Productions wrote:

ermm, alot of vocabulary here. is there some sort of primer anyone suggest I read?

Click the freakin' link above and you won't have to read anything.

Sep 30 08 04:01 pm Link

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MB-1

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Honolulu, Hawaii, US

Michael Bonner wrote:
Looks like a honeycomb, limits light into a tighter spread. They make them for reflectors, beauty dishes, and softboxes to name a few.

Ravendrive Productions wrote:
ermm, alot of vocabulary here. is there some sort of primer anyone suggest I read?

Those are all different modifiers that attach to a strobe and change the quality of the light.

Reflector:
https://www.alienbees.com/images/bee11r.gif

Softbox:
https://www.teamworkphoto.com/images/bowens/wafer100softbox.jpg

Beauty dish (with diffusion sock):
https://www.redmanmovies.com/images/content/products/softlight_w_diffuser.jpg

Sep 30 08 04:02 pm Link

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Paul Brecht

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Colton, California, US

&....

Octotbox (octagon shaped softbox)w/ grid:

https://www.alienbees.com/images/foldable/fobgridfinal.gif

(edit) a good informative sight on lighting essentials:

http://www.photoflexlightingschool.com/ … mpaign=ELK

Paul

Sep 30 08 04:11 pm Link

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R A V E N D R I V E

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New York, New York, US

Excellent. I appreciate the information smile I should be able to build up from here.

Sep 30 08 04:12 pm Link

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Andy Pearlman

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Los Angeles, California, US

Aside from the definition given here so far, a light grid is also a rigging system, usually 2" pipes, criss-crossing under a ceiling in a studio or theater, for hanging lights from. Not to confuse you, but just in case the wiki article didn't jive with what you were seeing here.

Sep 30 08 04:13 pm Link

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John Fisher

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Miami Beach, Florida, US

Ravendrive Productions wrote:
okay, what is a speedring and what is a snoot?  i haven't tried googling these terms yet.

A speedring is the bracket that mounts a softbox or octabox to a strobe head. Most of the lighting manufacturers use a slightly different way of mounting these accessories to the strobe, so you have to buy a speedring which is compatible with your lights. Originally these mounting brackets (where the fiber rods in the softbox come together) were fixed when mounted on the strobe head, so your softbox would be either in a vertical or horizontal configuration.

Modern "speedrings" allow the softbox to be turned after it is mounted to either a vertical or horizontal configuration (or whatever orientation you need), hence the name, speedring! Obviously the "speedring" version of the mounting bracket is not necessary for an Octabox, but speedrings are so useful it's hard to find a mounting bracket which is not a speedring these days.

A snoot is simply a cone which goes over your strobe head which focuses the light very tightly. This tightly focused light can be used for a number of applications, but one common use is when you are lighting hair from behind.

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Sep 30 08 04:16 pm Link

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Stephen Fletcher

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Norman, Oklahoma, US

Barndoors that can also accomodate a honeycomb grid and colored gel inserts.

https://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg100/Norman_Guy/barndoorssmall.jpg

Sep 30 08 04:22 pm Link

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Andrew Attah

Posts: 1699

London, England, United Kingdom

Example of (not such a great photo, but it was just a light test...) a 22" beauty dish with honycomb grid:

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/clubphotog/rampress/_D5G7007.jpg

Sep 30 08 04:30 pm Link

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Tanya Greene

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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

I would also like to thank everyone for being so generous with your knowledge smile It's greatly appreciated!

Sep 30 08 04:45 pm Link

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Kevin_Connery

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Fullerton, California, US

Ravendrive Productions wrote:

ermm, alot of vocabulary here. is there some sort of primer anyone suggest I read?

At the top of the forum there's a thread entitled Photography Talk: Rules, Resources and FAQ. In that thread, there are links to key MM threads. One of those is the Lighting, Flash, Ring, & Battery Strobe Reference thread, which has a large section on Lighting Basics. It contains links to books, tutorial websites, and much more.

An intro to studio lighting equipment. Photo.net article by Garry Edwards and Brooks Short. Covers the basics of what studio gear does, and introduces many of the standard terms and equipment used. The Lighting Themes on Studio Lighting and Equipment go into more depth. (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, and Part 5)

Broncolor's Modifier Comparison page shows the results from different light shapers compared to each other.

Oct 01 08 02:13 am Link

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Smashbase

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Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Just wanted to say that this thread has some great resources for those of us that are new-ish to lighting. Thanks for the info and links! smile

Oct 01 08 02:30 am Link

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Jamie-JAYCE-Charles

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Hollywood, Florida, US

They all answered it already

Oct 01 08 02:33 am Link

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Kevin Fair

Posts: 2778

Palm Coast, Florida, US

Never leave your modeling light on when using a 10 degree grid.

I burnt the shit out of myself learning this.

Oct 01 08 02:43 am Link

Oct 01 08 03:12 am Link

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Joe Mtz

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Atlanta, Georgia, US

digital Artform wrote:
https://www.digitalartform.com/archives/images/featheredLight.jpg

http://www.digitalartform.com/archives/ … light.html

https://www.digitalartform.com/archives/images/colorGels.jpg

http://www.digitalartform.com/archives/ … ary_g.html

I don't mean to turn the attention away from all the helpful answers here but I just can't resist.

Here is the answer we have been looking for. No more FLAKING!!! Yay!! I have to get a mannequin.

Oct 01 08 03:20 am Link

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digital Artform

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Los Angeles, California, US

Joe Mtz wrote:
I have to get a mannequin.

$130 at Acme Display in LA

Oct 01 08 03:30 am Link

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Caradoc

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Scottsdale, Arizona, US

digital Artform wrote:

$130 at Acme Display in LA

Or you can get a styrofoam "wig stand" head for $4 at the local beauty supply, and put it on a regular lightstand rigged with a coathanger to hold a shirt.

Much, much cheaper.

Oct 01 08 08:50 am Link

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2077 Photo

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Caradoc wrote:

Or you can get a styrofoam "wig stand" head for $4 at the local beauty supply, and put it on a regular lightstand rigged with a coathanger to hold a shirt.

Much, much cheaper.

holy!  i'm so doing this instead of getting a manniquin!  great idea!

Mar 08 09 11:21 pm Link

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Albertex Photography

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Mansfield, Texas, US

Ravendrive Productions wrote:

ermm, alot of vocabulary here. is there some sort of primer anyone suggest I read?

http://www.amazon.com/Photography-Barba … 0321011082
This is the photo book that PPA recommends for their certification exam.  Excellent info.

Mar 08 09 11:32 pm Link

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Imagine Graphics

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North Saint Paul, Minnesota, US

50409 wrote:

$130 at Acme Display in LA

It appears that the "voluptuous" female mannequins are $310!

(black male "correctly proportioned" male mannequins are $410!)

Mar 09 09 06:50 am Link

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Rick Dupuis Photography

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Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada

I know this wasn't my thread but I want to thank the OP for asking and for everyone who commented. It was a great deal of help.

Mar 09 09 07:01 am Link

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WMcK

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Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom

Michael Bonner wrote:

A speedring is the coupling device that allows you to attach modifiers to your strobe and a snoot is like a funnel that attaches to your light to create a tight beam.

Also the speedring is a kind of univeras adaptor. If tou have a reflector or softbox with a speedring you can get adaptor rings for Bowens, Elinchrom etc. so one kind of light modifier can fit all makes of heads.

Mar 09 09 07:16 am Link