Iona Lynn wrote:
Then maybe you should not play them.

I must be ugly, I have only been propositioned for sex less than 10 times  in over 400 shoots.

Either that or I treat my job as a professional.

This is work, not play.

I know right. Either the girls I shoot with are super ugly (they aren't.), or I have an amazing fiance (i do), or I am professional as hell (i am) because I've never propositioned someone for sex that I shot.  Not even my own fiance. Didn't even shoot her till we were going out six months.

Jennifer Amorelli wrote:
i agree on your message i had one photographer LADIES REMEBER HIS NAME

ANTHONY MONACO from NY and here in CALI in hollywood, he took my photo's then attemted to assault me. I got pissed, I walked out and he tryed to be cool about it

he said that he never got turned on like this before and he didnt know what came over him.. he never gave me my photos either.

WOW! He contacted me to do a shoot too and I told him I was bringing my designer and he was like ok I'll let you know when and never heard back.

Tazz Anderson Photos wrote:
There have been many many multi-million dollar "business" deals made and sealed and thanked afterwards or appreciated over dinner and drinks...it doesn't ALWAYS mean that they want to bed you!  If it is a concern, by all means as has been stated here, check references before hand of the photographer, to make sure he isn't a PDWC...pimp daddy with camera!

That's differen't, observe...


Iona, you're really hot, I had a lot of fun taking pictures of you and retouching over every inch of your body, I'd like to return the favor over drinks and dinner sometime?

OR...

Hey, Iona, I'd like to hire you for a project that's coming up and get your input on some of the details. Let me know if you're free sometime next week and let's meetup over dinner to talk about the project and get the ball rolling.

Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
Hanging out, offering someone a social drink or showing gratitude for a job well done  by offering dinner, means they want to sleep with you? Are you sure?

Even if it were true, that a beautiful model appealed to a photographer in such a way that he offered a drink, dinner, or gratitude and was also interested in banging your headboard into the wall 'till the plaster was all on the floor, isn't offering a drink, dinner and gratitude better than saying, "I'd love to f*ck you like an animal" ???

Aren't we all adults here? Is it so unreasonable to think that males and females don't occasionally find the other attractive? Many photographers and models end up getting married and living happily ever-after, I'm guessing that somewhere somehow, a drink, dinner, or gratitude was involved somewhere. I don't believe that offering such things is unprofessional or inappropriate in any way....and it doesn't necessarily mean they are scumbags, perverts, or want to sleep with you. Heck, they might even know what "No' means.

no its ok to hang, its just the experiences some models had i am sure sociall lunch not drinking late ect, my experience seemed shady when he shot me then tryed to massage me and kiss me this caused me to run.., as for texting and hitting them up on emails thats not cool. I had sociall hangs with my photographers and we all still converse, its just these days safe trips far from home to work half naked or nude shoots , have to remain on the rank , untill your paid, and home safe.. I sign the release's but never put adress on the release.. this isnt an agency its a freelance booking on your own..no middleman , a woman need to be safe.

Janice Marie Foote wrote:
I'm more annoyed at photographers who contact me to shoot and want to chat beforehand.  When I say I don't chat but we can message here or in e-mail
and then I never hear from them again.  Personally I don't get the relation
of not wanting to chat equaling not wanting to shoot.

I can actually understand where those photographers are coming from.

To many people on here, will talk & talk & talk about wanting to get together. But when its time to schedule somthing, they magically disappear. Or conviently forget they have a shoot the next day. Or whatever.

Not to mention, "talking on the phone" has cleared up many an issue in two minutes that an endless string of emails make w/n a week. Same goes for last minute issues, like if you're late or get sick. Pick up the damn phone & let me know that way. For all I know, I might be on the road when you cancel via email or something (which I can't access while on the move).

Rozetta Marie wrote:

WOW! He contacted me to do a shoot too and I told him I was bringing my designer and he was like ok I'll let you know when and never heard back.

not cool, is he on here?

Andrew Thomas Designs wrote:

You know, even thinking about when I have asked models out for drinks (never works, so I don't really anymore) it always does sound like I'm hitting on them or something more, unless the person and I really get along or have a lot in common as far as places we go.

You know... it's all in the vibe too. Like I shot with this one photographer... older black man from England... and after the shoot (since my stomach kept growling) he said I can follow him in my car to a spot where they sell really good food. I thought it was a take out place and when we got there it was a sit down restaurant. Because of his vibe I felt totally comfortable sitting down to dinner with him. After that he sent my pics in the time he promised, edited and all... message me on MM to say thanks for the shoot, and that was that. I think it's definitely a vibe thing. I know it's just dinner or a drink. But it's the vibe that comes with it that says, you really want fuck me.

Jennifer Amorelli wrote:

not cool, is he on here?

Edit your post and remove his name. It's against the rules.

Iona Lynn wrote:
Nope, sorry love, I just got a lecture from two men that are friends of mine the drinks and dinner are just window dressing. Just ask upfront, be honest and let us say yes or no.

That's a very narrow mentality.

God forbid, people simply enjoy the company of others.

Jennifer Amorelli wrote:
i agree on your message i had one photographer LADIES REMEBER HIS NAME

ANTHONY MONACO from NY and here in CALI in hollywood, he took my photo's then attemted to assault me. I got pissed, I walked out and he tryed to be cool about it

he said that he never got turned on like this before and he didnt know what came over him.. he never gave me my photos either.

Outing and just your side of the story. What happens if he comes in here and say you were on speed and stole $200 from him?

Janice Marie Foote wrote:
I'm more annoyed at photographers who contact me to shoot and want to chat beforehand.  When I say I don't chat but we can message here or in e-mail
and then I never hear from them again.  Personally I don't get the relation
of not wanting to chat equaling not wanting to shoot.

Rozetta Marie wrote:
Exactly. I totally agree. But that's just a red flag that they have other motives anyway.

I don't have "other motives" and I sometimes ask to chat.  Mostly if communication in other ways isn't getting things (shoot details of one sort or another) resolved.

BYS wrote:
stop fucking aroud with the wrong people and spoil a whole profession

where the fuck is jerry when needed
jerry ! jerry ! jerry !
that's your daily thread man
tb

Who am I supposed to fuck?

Iona Lynn wrote:

Who am I supposed to fuck?

Your husband?

BYS wrote:
hehehe
my gratitude is growing , not the right time to sleep

tb

hahahhahahahaaa!

Rozetta Marie wrote:
Oh yeah... and the ones that don't want you to bring an escort only because in the back of their minds they want to try their hand at getting you to sleep with them after or even during the shoot!

I don't allow escorts for several reasons and none are to do with anything "in the back of my mind". The reasons are in the main due to past experience of escorts spoiling shoots, stealing from the studio and also liability insurance reasons.

Janice Marie Foote wrote:
I'm more annoyed at photographers who contact me to shoot and want to chat beforehand.  When I say I don't chat but we can message here or in e-mail
and then I never hear from them again.  Personally I don't get the relation
of not wanting to chat equaling not wanting to shoot.

Rozetta Marie wrote:
Exactly. I totally agree. But that's just a red flag that they have other motives anyway.

Art of the nude wrote:
I don't have "other motives" and I sometimes ask to chat.  Mostly if communication in other ways isn't getting things (shoot details of one sort or another) resolved.

Shoot details can definitely be resolved via e-mail.

Lumigraphics wrote:

Outing and just your side of the story. What happens if he comes in here and say you were on speed and stole $200 from him?

He's not on MM he's from OMP

Elizabeth Claret wrote:

Okay, when I hear "play them" I think that you toy with them, string them along, maybe actually go out with them.

Why the fuck didn't you just say "When I tell them no thanks."

And how do they know who your close friends are?

It's called slang, and we have different types through the US. 

Why do you have to be so hostile?

Rozetta Marie wrote:
What the hell? Why can't someone be able to do a sexy or even nude shoot without the phone call or text msg or email that comes after it... "I was looking at the pics from our shoot and your body is amazing... we should really hang out sometime... go get a drink... I'll even cook you dinner... you know just showing you my gratitude for such a great shoot..."

Oh yeah... and the ones that don't want you to bring an escort only because in the back of their minds they want to try their hand at getting you to sleep with them after or even during the shoot!

And then when you play them, they go after your close personal friends... but little do they know your close personal friends are even crazier than you. LOL

OK... just had to get that off my chest.

thanks for listening.

I am sorry you have this experience.  Unfortunately anyone with a camera can say they are a professional photographer.  Many are not.  I have worked with a friend for several years, hes good.  One time he brought his cousen into my studio for a glamour shoot with a model/friend of mine.  This guy left me so embarrased for the way he acted, drooling, comments etc during the shoot.  Unfortunately you never know who you are making shoot arrangements with beforehand.  I told my friend his cousen was never to come back to the studio again...very unprofessional.

Good luck with your career

Angie Cornelius MUA wrote:

It's called slang, and we have different types through the US. 

Why do you have to be so hostile?

Thanks. I was trying to be nice in my response. LOL.

Rozetta Marie wrote:

Elizabeth... I didn't say it that way because when I was writing I was getting a little pissed thinking about the situation so I wrote the way I would say it to a friend. Sorry for the confusion. About my close friends, they don't know... but the one that most recently did this, knew I did gigs with a certain other model and since I felt he was good I referred her to him and she told me today that he came on to her. So he doesn't know how close we are.

So, basically, you referred an unprofessional photographer whom you are complaining here to your own closest friend?  Not cool!

TG Cocciolone wrote:

I am sorry you have this experience.  Unfortunately anyone with a camera can say they are a professional photographer.  Many are not.  I have worked with a friend for several years, hes good.  One time he brought his cousen into my studio for a glamour shoot with a model/friend of mine.  This guy left me so embarrased for the way he acted, drooling, comments etc during the shoot.  Unfortunately you never know who you are making shoot arrangements with beforehand.  I told my friend his cousen was never to come back to the studio again...very unprofessional.

Good luck with your career

Thanks. I will definitely start asking for and checking references. I'm more of a singer than a model. And I've only been really serious about this for a few years now. It's crazy.

Janice Marie Foote wrote:

Janice Marie Foote wrote:
I'm more annoyed at photographers who contact me to shoot and want to chat beforehand.  When I say I don't chat but we can message here or in e-mail
and then I never hear from them again.  Personally I don't get the relation
of not wanting to chat equaling not wanting to shoot.

Rozetta Marie wrote:
Exactly. I totally agree. But that's just a red flag that they have other motives anyway.

Shoot details can definitely be resolved via e-mail.

What can't be resolved by e-mail is whether the model in question is really a 76-year-old dude in New Hampshire posing as a model. MM had at least one of those, and he used real modeling photos of real models to perpetrate his hoax.

Once photographers or models have been burned by fakes on these sites, they're a lot more likely to want to chat with the potential model or photographer, if only briefly. I know that models often ask for a chat. I'm guessing they got caught up with abrasive photographers or even nonexistent shooters in the past.

As for the OP, I know of any number of photographers and models who have formed romantic relationships. Whether that's a good idea or not might be judged by the number of those that break up.

Lumigraphics wrote:
Outing and just your side of the story. What happens if he comes in here and say you were on speed and stole $200 from him?

I signed the release, and hes not on MM, if he was I would tell MM

Lumigraphics wrote:

Outing and just your side of the story. What happens if he comes in here and say you were on speed and stole $200 from him?

I signed the release and i dont think the cops would dissagree with that
besides , hes not a MEMBER. if he was I would redflag MM

Jennifer Amorelli wrote:

I signed the release and i dont think the cops would dissagree with that
besides , hes not a MEMBER. if he was I would redflag MM

He doesn't have to be a member.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … 0317&page=
(5) No outing/libel: While we would like MM to be used as a resource to warn others of problem companies, people, etc.  There are always two sides to a story. So we have to prohibit any  side from being told.  This is for our protection and yours as well.  We don't want to have to deal with a libel lawsuit.

Iona Lynn wrote:
Who am I supposed to fuck?

it's part of a models skills to spot the right one , in my opinion
as i have to spot the right team members
as it's part of the job to understand a bit what photography is about
too many people on MM blame the others for their own lack of knowledge and understanding of this business
tb

chubs photography wrote:

So, basically, you referred an unprofessional photographer whom you are complaining here to your own closest friend?  Not cool!

Ok... read my entire statement again... before he came on to me I already referred him. Now I don't know how many times he contacted her, but she just now told me what he said this morning. Also, it's mroe about him coming on to me than it is about him coming on to my friend.

Rozetta Marie wrote:
Photographers that try to sleep with models...

There are those who try, and those who succeed.

The difference is how the photographers look.

Stacy Leigh wrote:
I actually know a model who seduces photographers, and ends up sleeping with them. She is irresistible to single male photographers- and she knows it!!!


What was your point again?

trust me I'm sure models do that and that's what makes it hard for the ones of us that don't

Jennifer Amorelli wrote:
i agree on your message i had one photographer LADIES REMEBER HIS NAME

************ from NY and here in CALI in hollywood, he took my photo's then attemted to assault me. I got pissed, I walked out and he tryed to be cool about it

he said that he never got turned on like this before and he didnt know what came over him.. he never gave me my photos either.

Bad choice to try and assault a girl who fights. Too funny.

As for the thread topic. THIS IS WHY YOU CHECK REFERENCES!

Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
Hanging out, offering someone a social drink or showing gratitude for a job well done  by offering dinner, means they want to sleep with you? Are you sure?

Even if it were true, that a beautiful model appealed to a photographer in such a way that he offered a drink, dinner, or gratitude and was also interested in banging your headboard into the wall 'till the plaster was all on the floor, isn't offering a drink, dinner and gratitude better than saying, "I'd love to f*ck you like an animal" ???

Aren't we all adults here? Is it so unreasonable to think that males and females don't occasionally find the other attractive? Many photographers and models end up getting married and living happily ever-after, I'm guessing that somewhere somehow, a drink, dinner, or gratitude was involved somewhere. I don't believe that offering such things is unprofessional or inappropriate in any way....and it doesn't necessarily mean they are scumbags, perverts, or want to sleep with you. Heck, they might even know what "No' means.

mike you make a really good  point.unless we are talking about young uns..