Tim Little Photography wrote:

No, I did not see that. Damn this is just messed up. It looks like you can buy the kids gifts in return for private pictures. I'm gonna report this. No doubt about it, I'm reporting it.

Call the FBI I reported an attempt to break through my firewall, thought it was a computer crime, but hell yeh report the kiddy porn

Sparkey Feilds wrote:
OMG one of the links that was linked on the page.

'First sets of pictures that were removed from talents-r-us'
http://top100.little-top-models.com/



Just vile  . . .

That is just not right.
You do not pose a pre-teen in a sting bikini like that.
Who is the target market?

CameraSight wrote:
Do a Google search on 302-373-2416
And you'll see more reference to Admiral Girls

Don't have to... I found the number referenced in several places already.

Studio36

FWIW

"Most child modeling sites are not illegal as the models are clothed and not engaged in sexual activity."

"Child nudity does not always equal child pornography. The determining factor with child pornography is NOT whether the child is nude, partially nude, or fully clothed. The determining factor is what the child is doing and/or having done to him/her."

Tim Henning
Technology and Forensic Research Director
Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP)
http://asacp.org/

Tim Little Photography wrote:
Sparkey Feilds. I think you should edit your post to remove that link. I don't think its a good idea to spread that stuff around.

Done and done. Sorry Tim.

Tim Little Photography wrote:
I would like other professional's opinions on how I handled this. I feel sick and dirty that I was even contacted. What would you do in this situation?

Tim, you handled much the same way I would have.  Although I would not feel "sick and dirty" about it.  You did nothing wrong.  If anything, you've given her some much needed guidance! 

Even though many of us object to the exploitation of minors on such websites, those images on most of the teen and preteen are within the legal boundaries of our laws.  In other words, it's not illegal to have images of teens or (stomach turning ... ) t'weens ... on websites in bikinis as long as there is no lewd posing, etc.  going on.  We've had plenty of threads on this before in the forums here, and all it does is send more traffic to those sites.

I don't know the reason for her sending you that links, but the 15 year old might just have wanted pictures similar to what she saw on those sites.  I've been shooting models way before digital came to be, in other words, back in the film days.  I have photographed 15 year olds for their zed cards, and very much under the supervision of the parents.  Some of the images of these young models I shot with would have been a "fit" for those teen bikini sites.  However I would NEVER post those images on the Internet!   

I still keep in contact with some of those young ladies who are very much adult age.  They appreciate the respect I showed them and their parents.   I'm even more careful with the minor aged models I work with today.  With the "anything goes" mentality and the freedom allowed us, there are cases where models have been embarrassed by what they find of themselves on the Internet. 

Once a models images are uploaded to the Internet, there is no turning back!  The images of the minor aged teens in bikinis may not be against the law ... that is not the point I wish to make.  The fact is that everyone must realize that those images stay on the Internet a very long time.  If you are an adult and choose to do nudity ... heck even if you make the choice to do porn ... you live with those choices because you made the decision as an adult.  I do feel badly for the teens that regret modeling because of those sites.  Someone should have made sure they were clearly aware that there is no way to delete those images once there're out there.

Tim Little Photography wrote:

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm wondering if I should report it to someone?

No.   The FBI already knows about these sites and keeps watch on them.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
No.   The FBI already knows about these sites and keeps watch on them.

Sadly, the ones like this, that are even quasi-public are probably only the tip of the iceberg.

I agree that the FBI probably knows of this one... its the ones they dont know about that REALLY bother me.

You hear/read stories of the horrible exploitation of children in the third-world countries, the worst parts of the old eastern soviet block etc etc... not to mention what probably goes on right here in the good old USA.

All you can do is shine a light into these dark corners when you find them, and hope the cockroaches that run them will scuttle off to their dens.

studio36uk wrote:

Nope. Apparently Deleware, US
302-373-2416
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu … =187317696

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And for all of you who are so terribly outraged but without even looking - there is a 99.999% chance that everything on that site, or any related or co-operated site, is 100% legal. You can be disturbed all you like, you can wring your hands all you like. But if it's legal it's legal and no amount of whinging, whining, complaining or reporting will change that.

Studio36

From his MySpace page:

This is the official myspace page of Admiral Fashion Moda. Please visit our main website at: www.admiralgirls.com If you are interested in modeling this is a great place to start. We can teach you the 36 professional modeling poses that give you grace, attitude and confidence in front of any camera. We can teach you how the modeling business really works. Provide you with an informative packet that covers both Child and Adult modeling safty tips. You will have a chance to be involved with modeling activities with other Admiral Girls. The Admiral Girls recently helped celebrate the opening of Nationals Stadium, Group photo shoots at the Crystal Ball Room and runway shows for Macy's. We can also forward your portfolio and resume to other photographers that have worked with the Admiral Girls before and who are trusted insiders. In addition, we can forward your images to a modeling agency that we work with. If you have ever been interested in modeling, Admiral Fashion Moda is a fantastic place to start. Please visit our main website at: www.admiralgirls.com

Eric Mayhem wrote:
Why did you put the name of the site in your post?  You're giving them a lot of free advertising.

Yea I know. I didn't expect that. I cut and pasted the email I sent and I forgot to remove the website name. That was my mistake.

Mark G Bissell wrote:
There is an organization for kids who suffer from sexual or for that any abuse at all

Just Tell
http://justtell.org/adult/welcome.html

http://www.myspace.com/JustTellDotOrg

RAINN is also a good resource and victim's advocate.

www.rainn.org

Imageri by Tim Davis wrote:

That is just not right.
You do not pose a pre-teen in a sting bikini like that.
Who is the target market?

Her head is superimposed on an adult body.

G D Peters Photography wrote:
Many photographers will not photograph minors, and if they do, necessary precautions must be in place.

BULL! Many professional photographers make their living photographing minors, its on of the largest segments of retail photography.  As a matter of fact I dont know many "professional" photographers that would refuse photographing a minor simply based on age.

Lady Bronze wrote:
"If you encounter child pornography either online or through the U.S. mail, here is how you can report the crime to the proper authorities. If you encounter child pornography on the Internet, you can report the site address to your Internet Service Provider and your local or state FBI or Customs office listed in your telephone directory.

You can also report child pornography online by forwarding the site address to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) at cybertipline.com. NCMEC will forward your report to the appropriate investigative agency for follow-up.

To collect the address (or URL) of a child-pornography web site, click on the address in your browser's address bar to highlight (select) the address. Then hold down the Control key and click on the C key to copy the address. You can then paste the address to a text file or email message by holding down the Control key and hitting the V key."

Source: How To Report Child Pornography

As distasteful as those sites may be they often are FAR from child porn and like pointed out many times in this thread are way more than likely perfectly legal. 

This thread is rapidly going towards bs fearmongering.

CGI Images wrote:
As a matter of fact I dont know many "professional" photographers that would refuse photographing a minor simply based on age.

meh, i know lots of professional photographers that won't photograph minors because they (even occasionally) shoot bondage and/or nudity and they dont want to invite any suspicions AT ALL

as far as "precautions" being taken, that usually just means that a parent must be present

CGI Images wrote:
As distasteful as those sites may be they often are FAR from child porn and like pointed out many times in this thread are way more than likely perfectly legal. 

This thread is rapidly going towards bs fearmongering.

well i think most of us are just expressing our distaste...im not currently afraid of anything

maybe im just immune to the mongers

nexiste plus wrote:

meh, i know lots of professional photographers that won't photograph minors because they (even occasionally) shoot bondage and/or nudity and they dont want to invite any suspicions AT ALL

as far as "precautions" being taken, that usually just means that a parent must be present

Thats logical if they dont mix business like that, that makes sense.  Saying many pro's dont shoot minors simply because of age doesnt.  I dont put my bondage shots on the same web port as my high school sports shots either.. its a business decision not an age based one.

nexiste plus wrote:
maybe im just immune to the mongers

lol, well you are nexiste, but you also think logically.

CGI Images wrote:

lol, well you are nexiste, but you also think logically.

i wouldnt say i am nexiste

i would say i nexiste plus, meaning "i no longer exist"

nexiste plus wrote:

i wouldnt say i am nexiste

i would say i nexiste plus, meaning "i no longer exist"

How about I just refer to you as NP then? Or would you prefer somehting else?

CGI Images wrote:
How about I just refer to you as NP then? Or would you prefer somehting else?

but how can you refer to me if "je n'existe plus"??? Its madness I tell ya! MADNESS

nexiste plus wrote:

but how can you refer to me if "je n'existe plus"??? Its madness I tell ya! MADNESS

Yeah... I'll remember that one., sure..   I'll stick with the "hey you with the sexy back"

Monad Studios wrote:
If indeed nothing criminal is being done, then responsibility for all of this falls squarely on the parents.

Who, regardless of what anyone thinks, turn their little sprogs into profit centres; or get some glamour into their shallow little lives vicariously through their offspring.

Studio36

studio36uk wrote:

Who, regardless of what anyone thinks, turn their little sprogs into profit centres; or get some glamour into their shallow little lives vicariously through their offspring.

Studio36

Exactly it happens in many different areas and many different fields all the time.  Not to mention what one person deams as "sexualized" another may not.  In many of these things the "lines" are simply a matter of opinion.

CGI Images wrote:
Yeah... I'll remember that one., sure..   I'll stick with the "hey you with the sexy back"

sorry...im on muscle relaxers, so my head isnt with me atm

ETA: not recreationally, btw