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Photographer
PRImaging
Posts: 83
Long Beach, California, US


In a recent shoot with a model, she brought to my attention that many photographers reject her as a model because she refuses to grow pubic hair.

Is there really such a demand for models with pubes? I personally prefer to shoot models in nude shoots without or with a tidy landing strip as opposed to a big bush.

Is it really in such demand for models with pubes?

If you are a neatly shaved woman, and a photographer wanted to shoot you with pubes, would you grow it out, or just not fit into that particular mold?
Dec 09 09 03:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Eba Lida Love
Posts: 93
Orange Park, Florida, US


i would not grow it out. but that's just  me
Dec 09 09 03:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
AngelaArnold
Posts: 3,283
Saint George, Utah, US


I dont do nudes as is but I dont like bushes as at all I dont think they are attractive so no
Dec 09 09 03:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Living Canvas
Posts: 2,039
Denver, Colorado, US


Doubtful there is a large demand for pubes.
Usually you'll find the ominous "bush" mainly in fine
art types of nudes. Then again to each their own. Some like it.
Others don't.
Dec 09 09 03:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,546
Glendora, California, US


Glamour and porn = shaved
Art = trimmed bush, full bush, something to cover it up.

I'll still work with models on a trade for basis without.  I just won't give them my money anymore.

Some people see "art."  I see pussy.  Very difficult seeing otherwise.
Dec 09 09 03:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eastfist
Posts: 3,544
Green Bay, Wisconsin, US


I like gorgeous women with gorgeous pubic hair.
Dec 09 09 03:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JD200
Posts: 424
Dallas, Texas, US


The Pubic Option is being hotly debated in the Senate as we speak. Lets hold off until our "leaders" decide what is best for each and everyone of us.
Dec 09 09 03:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ruhan van Vuuren
Posts: 1
London, England, United Kingdom


I would question why they wanted to shoot her as a model...
Dec 09 09 03:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Poses
Posts: 8,139
Kansas City, Missouri, US


I used to have a huge, 70s-porn-esque style going on.  You know how people who like bush frequently end their statements with things like "as long as it's not a jungle" and "as long as it's not crazy or anything"?  I was the crazy jungle chick down there.  I had some photographers hire me for my body hair, and some choose not to.  However, it was never an issue regarding my ability to land a decent number of shoots.

As an aside, today I model very rarely, and I no longer grow a crotch 'fro.  I'd grow it again for a large chunk of money (maybe 500 or more).
Dec 09 09 03:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Markus Goerg
Posts: 1,689
Los Angeles, California, US


Kimberly_Love wrote:
i would not grow it out. but that's just  me

God bless you.

Dec 09 09 03:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bill Mason Photography
Posts: 1,856
Essex Junction, Vermont, US


Models that shoot art nudes tend to go with a bush. Photographers that shoot art nudes tend to prefer a bush. It makes the image more timeless...more natural. Glamour models tend to go with the smooth look or something tiny and tidy. It really depends on the type of nudes you are creating.
Dec 09 09 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jirrupin
Posts: 1,743
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


i just don't think shaved is a good look! honestly I don't know how it caught on, there has to be at least a landing strip, preferably more substantial than an eyebrow!
Dec 09 09 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
C Mirene
Posts: 1,610
Toledo, Ohio, US


Charles West wrote:
Glamour and porn = shaved
Art = trimmed bush

I'll still work with models without.  I just won't give them my money anymore.

Some people see "art."  I see pussy.  Very difficult seeing otherwise.

I can see "art" in shaved, trimmed bush, and huge bush.  I have preferences for different projects; none of which I would consider glamour or porn.

That's my take on it, for what it's worth.

Dec 09 09 03:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eastfist
Posts: 3,544
Green Bay, Wisconsin, US


I'll still hire women who shave, but I always prefer a natural look first.  You can't glue the hair back on and still have it look nice...
Dec 09 09 03:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Amoskeag Imaging
Posts: 10
Manchester, New Hampshire, US


Personally, I don't care for pubic hair but if they do have it it's not going to keep me from doing the shoot as long as it works with the concept and all are happy.
Dec 09 09 03:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Sophia Be
Posts: 6,353
Portland, Oregon, US


Meh, I got bored of the bald cooch look. It was cool when no one did it, but now it's all you see, so when a chick has a trimmed bush, it's way more interesting to me since it seems to be a rarity.

Bush style probably works the same as any style I'd guess.
Dec 09 09 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 38,419
Portland, Oregon, US


-Erik- wrote:
In a recent shoot with a model, she brought to my attention that many photographers reject her as a model because she refuses to grow pubic hair.

If she's figured out how to refuse to grow it, she should let a lot of others into the trick to doing that, as a lot of people would save time and money shaving, sugaring, and waxing.

I am picturing a conversation like...

Hey you pubes, if you grow back, I'm gonna beat you!!!


Back to the OP, there are lots of criteria for selecting models, and this is just one more of those things that matters in some styles of photography, and ultimately it is a personal decision about what to do, or what not to do.

Dec 09 09 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stella Dean
Posts: 6,667
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


The photographers, my boyfriend and I are all very happy about the bush I have.

As others have mentioned, a lot of the demand depends on what style you shoot.

Most art shooters I've met prefer trimmed to bushy. A naked vulva makes it more difficult to leave out the sexual context it seems.
Dec 09 09 04:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KGToops Photography
Posts: 2,439
Treasure Island, Florida, US


i was alittle shocked by this, so i had to ask the fine art nude photographer that i assist for.  He claimed he liked a more trimmed look than an overall full grown bush due to shadows ect within his low light situations. 
Then as he walked down the hall he blurted this out

"if you let a womans vagina dictate what kinda picture you take then well you were owned along time ago"
Dec 09 09 04:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotographic Aspirations
Posts: 1,912
Long Beach, California, US


I miss the " Bush " days !
Dec 09 09 04:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jirrupin
Posts: 1,743
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


Fotographic Aspirations wrote:
I miss the " Bush " days !

reminds of this (18+)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabrina-dacos/3187728381/

which was posted as a farewell to the bush administration

Dec 09 09 04:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Saint Sara
Posts: 5
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


If a photographer came to me and wanted to do a bushy shoot and it was a neat idea, I probably wouldn't mind growing it out a bit, then trimming it neat. No full bush lol. Otherwise, I prefer to keep myself bare.
Dec 09 09 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Extreme Body Art
Posts: 4,932
West Jordan, Utah, US


You know... We all limit ourselves

You can shave for a photographer that that wants it shaved and you can grow it out for those who want a bush.

Number 1 rule, You cannot please everyone, you are gaining work by some and losing work from others and you won't even know it.
Dec 09 09 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Connor Photography
Posts: 6,539
Elkton, Maryland, US


There are plenty of Models or photographers on either sides.  No one needs to compromise for each others.  Just call out - NEXT.  smile
Dec 09 09 04:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nelia
Posts: 2,153
San Francisco, California, US


I actually seek models out that have Pubic Hair since I like to shoot Art Nudes.  I do think that It makes the image more timeless...more natural.  Along the same line, I also prefer model that do not have tattoos when shooting Art Nudes for the same reasons.

Of course that is just my preference and opinion.
Dec 09 09 05:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kes1
Posts: 231
Morgan Hill, California, US


Bare scares me.  At that, bare scares my husband.  He's got this no minors thing, and doesn't want to have to have me sign a statement and photocopy my ID before all interactions. 

I use a trimmer with a #3 attachment for length and do the mini triangle.  I trim the top as well as the sides. 

I seriously hate the long look -the landing strip that fills to the top of the panty line.   It's getting dated.  If you're going to go thin, you also need to shorten it up to keep it more proportionate to what it would be were it natural.  Otherwise it's too 1991 porn.
Dec 09 09 05:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Knautica20
Posts: 329
Cookeville, Tennessee, US


You know, i've also had photographers ask me if I could grow mine out, which I politely decline. Yes I am a woman with dreadlocks, but on my head is the only place I like having hair. Does anyone realize what it feels like to a shaved woman to let the hair grow out? Completely horrible.
Dec 09 09 05:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Extreme Body Art
Posts: 4,932
West Jordan, Utah, US


Kes1 wrote:
Bare scares me.  At that, bare scares my husband.  He's got this no minors thing, and doesn't want to have to have me sign a statement and photocopy my ID before all interactions. 

I use a trimmer with a #3 attachment for length and do the mini triangle.  I trim the top as well as the sides. 

I seriously hate the long look -the landing strip that fills to the top of the panty line.   It's getting dated.  If you're going to go thin, you also need to shorten it up to keep it more proportionate to what it would be were it natural.  Otherwise it's too 1991 porn.

Um... How you choose to groom yourself is your choice... however, just because you have pubic hair does not necessarily mean you or over the age of 18 and also, I have met a few models that don't have pubic hair and they ARE 18+ and no, they do not shave.

As well shaving pubic hair dates back before porn.. as we all know.. porn in the 60s and 70s and even 80s there was full bush... not even trimmed.

Art nudes had shaved pubic hair in the past as well. http://www.fisheseye.com/images/artnude300.jpg and http://www.omolimages.co.uk/rims/L/ItemL/0307.jpg

Dec 09 09 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Dane Halo
Posts: 1,145
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


I've been shaved, I've been trimmed, I've been landing-stripped.

Enh.  Whatever gets me the job.
Dec 09 09 05:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BCRPhotography
Posts: 290
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, US


It's definitely a personal choice, but I myself prefer to see a  very close trim over a shave.  As with everything human, some look better than others, so the physiology and the model's lifestyle are more important than my opinion. 

I have not chosen to shoot or not shoot based on this factor.
Dec 09 09 05:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PRImaging
Posts: 83
Long Beach, California, US


Fun! It seems there are as many opinions on the subject as there are pubic hairs big_smile

So, how do you groom?
Dec 09 09 08:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Beccalette Synthetic
Posts: 7,224
Sault Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada


I'd grow mine out if it was paid. I have to shave daily, so skip a week and I'm good! lol
Dec 09 09 08:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
291
Posts: 11,911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US


-Erik- wrote:
Is it really in such demand for models with pubes?

yes.

there is also a demand for those shooting lifestyle, plus size, erotic and about a few dozen other genres.  is there a problem with finding those that fit what it is you want?  or is it merely a fantasy to get what you can't get from those you covet?

i'm baffled as to what the real problem is that compels the discussion.

Dec 09 09 08:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ned Yeung
Posts: 1,716
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


Eastfist wrote:
I'll still hire women who shave, but I always prefer a natural look first.  You can't glue the hair back on and still have it look nice...

lol... You've actually glued pubic hair back onto your models?  You're my hero!!  =]

Dec 09 09 08:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,612
Los Angeles, California, US


It's about versatility, and genre.

She's probably not getting rejected from glamour shoots.  Fine art nude shoots?  It comes with the territory.  A lot of people won't shoot art nudes with someone who shaves because they want their images to be natural and timeless.

Pubes are pretty timeless.

Shaving might be of the time, now, but are natural, and many people keep theirs.  Especially men.

That said, someone who is willing to do either or will get a lot of work.

Someone who shaves might get rejected from certain shoots; that person should realize their limitations.

I'm certainly not running around trying to book work as a swim suit model and complaining that people should be forced to deal with my full bush poking out everywhere.
Dec 09 09 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Indi-Now
Posts: 188
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Shaved is way hotter
Dec 09 09 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Criscross Photography
Posts: 93


I'm fine either way. I just don't like stubble.
Dec 09 09 09:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Roxy Vandiver
Posts: 2,842
Houston, Texas, US


I'm a natural redhead.  Most photographers are delighted when they see that my carpet does, infact match my drapes.  I keep it tidy-like but would only go totally bald for some serious $$$. 
It's too itchy and annoying when it grows back.
Dec 09 09 09:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image-IZ
Posts: 215
Angelica, New York, US


Once again OMFG if you’re born with it and not shy SHOW IT for fucks sake! If you are born male or female show what god gave you! I am so sick of most photos today with the shaved bush both male and female, why did shoots go to shaved???
Dec 09 09 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,612
Los Angeles, California, US


Indi-Now wrote:
Shaved is way hotter

Says you.

There are many people that are absolutely obsessed with natural women.

Opinion isn't fact.

Dec 09 09 09:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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