Eryn G wrote:
To those that believe...they should have been left to believe.

That's fine.  they are posting in the other thread.

Image is Nothing wrote:
Five days ago I had a friend die.

Hadn't given all 'yall a single thought for the most part until my inbox blew up.

I am sorry that people are bothering you in your pain but with the evidence stacking up on both sides, and you being the only person who can render a verdict, I'm sure you can see where the pressure is building up.

DarcieK wrote:
What kind of newspaper charges $250 to post an obit?!

It's not unusual for newspapers to charge for obits.  They have to make money some how, and advertising plus paper cost is outragous thanks to the Internet.  Gotta love paperless!  It's why I publish online and not print. 

Patrick Walberg wrote:
I had become Myspace "friends" with someone back in 2006 who had two profiles.  One his honest personal, and one a fake where he portrayed an attractive female.  This lasted for about a year, and then he could take it no more.  He "outted" himself on the profile and came clean.  I thought that very brave of him and continued to stay friends with him on his real profile after he deleted the fake one.  After all, it was a learning experience for him.

He said he did it first as a social experiment to find out what it would be like to be a female online.  As the popularity of this fictional character grew, he learned a great deal about men and women's relationships.  Some of the men were disgustingly crude and rude. Some like myself were sweet and seemed genuine even though the person behind the profile was not.  The man who created the fake profile could no longer carry on the "experiment" as it became obvious to him that he was playing with people's emotions and really hurting some people. 

If someone were to maintain a fake profile, there will be a great deal of time spent on it, especially over a period of a couple years.  There would be the risk of screw ups where one forgets which profile they are on.  I know that in maintaining four profiles on Youtube and three on Myspace, I've messed up many times, but I'm not fake.  The profiles are for different businesses I have or for my one personal account on each.  On Modelmayhem, I only have this one account and will not ever set up another. 

So what purpose does one set up a fake account on Modelmayhem?  To gain attention?  To ask for money?  To write about oneself as a "ghost" writer?   I've spent more hours, days, weeks and months in time here than I care to think about!  Out of all the models in my profile, only two or three can tell you that I exist, and maybe another two might respond to their messages if they can get logged in to their profile.  In other words, a few of you have met me, but the majority of you do not really know me.  Does it really matter?  It might if I start asking you for money or favors?

Just something to ponder. 

Image is Nothing wrote:

Christopher Hartman wrote:
I suspect you have the capacity to understand exactly what my statement means.

But maybe not.

Your statement was clear as day.

Perhaps you should come around the side of your monitor and stand in my shoes for just a second...

Today is Wednesday...

Five days ago I had a friend die.

Hadn't given all 'yall a single thought for the most part until my inbox blew up.


Think about that statement...

Take care of your own broken hearts... or broken trust or whatever.

I'd believe you had this been your first discovery of doubt.  But 2 days ago you posted a message about sending a MOD photos to clear up everything.  So for two days you've known that people here have some doubts and questions they would like answers to.

I understand you may be upset, but you ARE taking time out to visit MM AND post in the forums.  So you're not exactly giving off the impression to me that you're too busy, emotionally or otherwise, to provide information.  You're dodging it.

While this may not be you, there are many people in this world that NEED attention.  And they'll do some crazy things in order to get it.  So they feel love, wanted, or may be just to get praise so they feel good about themselves over some accomplishment...even if that accomplishment never really happened...you still feel good about all the praise you COULD have gotten had you actually done whatever it is you pretended.

I'm using the YOU generically...not YOU specifically.

Something is just not right about all this and instead of making it obvious for everyone to really know what is going on, you're dodging.

Maybe it's because once the light is on the attention you'll get will be quite negative.  So I understand why you'd be apprehensive.  But if the light shows the truth you wish us to believe...then the attention will be positive and remorseful.

I understand delaying/avoiding the negative.  I do not understand the delaying/avoiding the positive.

Patrick Walberg wrote:

It's not unusual for newspapers to charge for obits.  They have to make money some how, and advertising plus paper cost is outragous thanks to the Internet.  Gotta love paperless!  It's why I publish online and not print. 

They kind of want a death certificate to run them as well...

So...

She didn't want a funeral... Shall we put one on just for appearances?

Not all really up to me though... I'm kind of knocked out of the loop... I'm not a relative... or a hoop jumper... I was there when it counted.

Want Clare's legal name?

Myra Holden... I think... Could be Holden-Eubanks or just Eubanks... She was always Clare to me and everyone I knew that knows her.

If you Google it you would come away with the impression that she was an overweight black girl.

I think I'll just back away slowly...

Not my job.

Bubble77 wrote:
I've been on this site exactly six months to the day and had only two photoshoots.  But, I've met, in person, seven other members - some of them on more than one occasion - had correspondence on my personal email address outside of MM with at least six more and have "met" dozens of others in TinyChat.  I've even exchanged packages in the mail with one member, so they have my address somewhere and I have theirs.  I'm positive the logs on the IB servers could provide my home and work IP address, which can be traced back to my ISP or my employer.

My point is that, even a moderately active member should, by sheer accident alone, have left a more tangible trail than what we've seen here.

I don't know you, nor if you are a fake or not.  I've been on this site longer than you ... 5 years, and have barely met anyone in person.  A few people in Modesto met me, and they are on my Youtube.  About three or four models I've worked with as a direct result of being here, but many many more are not on here.  I really don't exist either. I'm just a voice in your head.  Writing in a forum.  Anyway, besides that .. sillyness!  But for now, I'll just assume you are a real person.

You are correct .. absolutely correct about being able to track each and everyone here from their IP address right down to their physical address.  I own a website similar to Modelmayhem and zivity ... something between actually.  AND I have a security expert who verifies members on my site if I'm not able to.  I'm sure that the huge corporation that now owns this website can easily verify any member in question.  If Modelmayhem cannot, then I am disappointed in their security network. 

Bubble77 wrote:
Furthermore, it highlights the oddity of someone who was relatively introverted making public such a personal situation.  I'm saying introverted because after being a member for several years, they have only the minimum number of pictures required to maintain a profile, all shot by the same photographer and uploaded the day the account was activated, a very low number of forum posts, no other credits in their bio and virtually no external face-to-face contact with any other members other than the photographer whose pictures are in her port.  C'mon, folks... that's screaming odd!!  And, when you add the other facets of the situation which others have already highlighted in this thread (and others), and the entire story is full of holes.

No one has been a member for "several years" as this site is only a little over five years and "several" is more than five years to me.  There are people who have never posted on this website.  If you check the directory, only about eight to ten percent at the very most have every posted in the forum here.  Doubt me?  Check it out!  The member in question has been here since when?  2007?  I never had any face to face contact with anyone here until last year, and I've been here since 2005.  Think about it.  How important is it to you?

Image is Nothing wrote:
They kind of want a death certificate to run them as well...

So...

She didn't want a funeral... Shall we put one on just for appearances?

Not all really up to me though... I'm kind of knocked out of the loop... I'm not a relative... or a hoop jumper... I was there when it counted.

Want Clare's legal name?

Myra Holden... I think... Could be Holden-Eubanks or just Eubanks... She was always Clare to me and everyone I knew that knows her.

If you Google it you would come away with the impression that she was an overweight black girl.

I think I'll just back away slowly...

Not my job.

It's easier to check for the death certificate, right?

I do know someone who is really great at that sort of research if you need help.

My dad didn't have a funeral, as many people don't.  We had a celebration of his life months later.

One of my friends has suggested we conduct a cyber furneral.  What do you think?

Image is Nothing wrote:

They kind of want a death certificate to run them as well...

So...

She didn't want a funeral... Shall we put one on just for appearances?

Not all really up to me though... I'm kind of knocked out of the loop... I'm not a relative... or a hoop jumper... I was there when it counted.

Want Clare's legal name?

Myra Holden... I think... Could be Holden-Eubanks or just Eubanks... She was always Clare to me and everyone I knew that knows her.

If you Google it you would come away with the impression that she was an overweight black girl.

I think I'll just back away slowly...

Not my job.

Can you explain why this photo has the name Myra Edison on it?

http://www.yourtype.com/images-reviews/Edison,Myra.jpg

I am assuming you shot it?

Image is Nothing wrote:

They kind of want a death certificate to run them as well...

So...

She didn't want a funeral... Shall we put one on just for appearances?

Not all really up to me though... I'm kind of knocked out of the loop... I'm not a relative... or a hoop jumper... I was there when it counted.

Want Clare's legal name?

Myra Holden... I think... Could be Holden-Eubanks or just Eubanks... She was always Clare to me and everyone I knew that knows her.

If you Google it you would come away with the impression that she was an overweight black girl.

I think I'll just back away slowly...

Not my job.

Okay I'm very upset, I've had my father pass away from cancer and a good friend last year.
I hope you're being honest, but I can't believe with your last post.

The photograph had a different name, quote had a different name, I've counted 5 different names now.

I prayed and cried. I'm about to kick some ass if this is a hoax.

DarcieK wrote:
...have you ever personally known anyone who has had cancer?

I have ... many people.  Some have are still surviving, but some have died.  There is no correct way of dying.  Some function alright up until the last day or two, others not so well.  I suggest you listen to this;

Art Of Dying Electric Version  or
Art of Dying in Acoustic Version 

Either way, George Harrison had it down!

Image is Nothing wrote:
Want Clare's legal name?

Myra Holden... I think... Could be Holden-Eubanks or just Eubanks... She was always Clare to me and everyone I knew that knows her.

There are entirely too many names in this equation now.

Greg Kolack wrote:

Can you explain why this photo has the name Myra Edison on it?

http://www.yourtype.com/images-reviews/Edison,Myra.jpg

I am assuming you shot it?

Nope...  Can't explain it.

Image is Nothing wrote:
Nope...  Can't explain it.

No need to explain as anyone can post an image and place a name to it on the Internet. I put fictional names on images quite often to protect the models.

Image is Nothing wrote:

Nope...  Can't explain it.

Is Myra Edison the person who wrote your wiki piece?

Compass Rose Studios wrote:

Is Myra Edison the person who wrote your wiki piece?

Don't know that either.

However... I do know a M. Edison... Just didn't know she was using Clare's image.

Image is Nothing wrote:

Don't know that either.

However... I do know a M. Edison... Just didn't know she was using Clare's image.

You don't know who wrote your wiki piece?

Compass Rose Studios wrote:

You don't know who wrote your wiki piece?

i thought that, too. pretty hard to swallow, huh?

we all know who wrote that wiki piece.

Jon Gilchrist wrote:

Not a certificate (there are all sorts of rules about who can & can't get one) but just the notices.  These are usually published in the local newspaper, just a line that says who & when.  And I'm not talking about an obituary either.  Just the notice that someone passed.

I hate to break it to you, but there have been many faked obituaries.  It's an option to publish, and most papers don't bother to verify.  Someone clever enough can easily fake it.  A death certificate is the only sure way.  So I guess you are going to require someone provide a death certificate next?

Christopher Hartman wrote:
What I find most telling is the resistance to divulge simple verifiable information.

Image is Nothing wrote:
What resistance?

Image is Nothing wrote:
I think I'll just back away slowly...

Not my job.

Image is Nothing wrote:
Nope...  Can't explain it.

I've been one who was skeptic of the skeptics. But you are seeming to put proof into the conspiracy theory. Your "can't" explain it comes across as "don't want to" explain it...

Just come out & tell us the truth...

Paul

Compass Rose Studios wrote:
Myra Edison entry on wikipedia:

Myra Edison California Journalist. I originally joined Wikipedia because as a Journalist I have heard jokes for quite some time about the inaccuracy of the information here, "If you don't have a source just attribute it to Wikipedia... You can get away with anything"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Myraedison

This is even better...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Myraedison



"Could I enlist your help?



I have written this photographer's biography here Daniel Colegrove. You may or may not remember me however we worked together at the AP. I know you had done some research on him and would like to invite you to add to his biography. I have a little knowledge about his war coverage but as I suspect you know the issue was buried in litigation (and may prove to make Mr. Colegrove very famous in the future).

Would it be appropriate to bring this up here in his biography? (meaning the names of the other photojournalist and outlets). Moyopic (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I looked at the article, it is indeed a good start. As far as Daniel is concerned anything you say about him is okay as long it is true.
I do have a lot of information all of is obtainable. I just can't be the one to bring it up because 1 the risk of being sued again 2 contempt of court (first amendment won't cover me) and 3 since then, I have also coming know him personally. I am probably the wrong person to add to his biography. There are a lot of references out there too but it is all pretty old and not much of it made it to the Internet.

I do remember you "

Compass Rose Studios wrote:
Myra Edison entry on wikipedia:

Myra Edison California Journalist. I originally joined Wikipedia because as a Journalist I have heard jokes for quite some time about the inaccuracy of the information here, "If you don't have a source just attribute it to Wikipedia... You can get away with anything"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Myraedison

Myra Edison entry on wikipedia, as it existed on July 31, 2007:

Myra Edison California Journalist.

My Interests: Photography & Photojournalism.

My interest in this particular photographer Daniel Colegrove came about because I had found many of his images in an archive here at Associated Press and a copy of his resume. He took some amazing shots of a whole bunch of amazing historical events. I did check his listed references and he's for real. I have found his professional photography site Photographer in Ventura and Santa Barbara, California and I have found some of his images in magazines and some images of him shooting. I have also interviewed a bunch of people that knew him. I have spoken to him and he played all of this down and said it was a long time ago. I find it fascinating that such a contributor to the science, art and industry of photography could remain so obscure.

Another developing article: I have had some things cross my desk that are well, to say the least...bizarre. I may be doing some resurch regarding the paranormal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit … =148357284

Compass Rose Studios wrote:
Myra Edison entry on wikipedia:

Myra Edison California Journalist. I originally joined Wikipedia because as a Journalist I have heard jokes for quite some time about the inaccuracy of the information here, "If you don't have a source just attribute it to Wikipedia... You can get away with anything"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Myraedison

Why would anyone want to be listed on that website?  Isn't Wikipedia a joke site?  I've used it for quick info, and hopefully correct spelling, but I've never taken that website seriously.   Heck, I'm not on there and I should be! 

Lawrence Guy wrote:
I have fun reading the edit history of the Wiki page.  Some of the changes that "Myra Edison" made are quite amusing.  "Moe Richart" (Moyopic), who appears to be the only other significant contributer to that page, also died.  Well, it happens.

Let me tell you something about that website.  You can't depend on all the information on Wikipedia to be accurate.  If someone has created a fake profile on there to be able to write a listing about themselves, that is pitiful.  It's not worth it!

Patrick Walberg wrote:

Why would anyone want to be listed on that website?  Isn't Wikipedia a joke site?  I've used it for quick info, and hopefully correct spelling, but I've never taken that website seriously.   Heck, I'm not on there and I should be! 

Actually wikipedia is as accurate as the encyclopedia brittanica:

http://news.cnet.com/Study-Wikipedia-as … 97332.html

As to whether or not all individuals on there have made a significant enough impression upon humankind at large that they deserve an entry...well that's more subjective.

Image is Nothing wrote:

Don't know that either.

However... I do know a M. Edison... Just didn't know she was using Clare's image.

Of course you know an M. Edison.....


Myra Edison


http://www.digitalphotojournalist.org/a … grove.html

Patrick Walberg wrote:

Let me tell you something about that website.  You can't depend on all the information on Wikipedia to be accurate.  If someone has created a fake profile on there to be able to write a listing about themselves, that is pitiful.  It's not worth it!

I'm with you.  I was just saying it's worth a laugh to look at some of the revisions.

Compass Rose Studios wrote:
You don't know who wrote your wiki piece?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
Log&user=Myraedison
02:45, 16 May 2008 Myraedison (talk | contribs) uploaded "File:Daniel Colegrove in 2004 .jpg" ‎ (I hold copyright licence to freely distribute this image of Daniel Colegrove)

Monad Studios wrote:
I just saw that the notice about Clare has been removed from the main page.

They just removed it then, it was there a little while ago.  Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm.