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le roy le croix

Posts: 1268

Grove Place, Saint Croix, Virgin Islands of the United States

Hi, I'm looking to buy a photo printer.  I want to print large - up to 13 x 19 for public displays (in a coffee shop at the moment).  I want to print for my future fashion portfolio.  I want to print for clients (weddings, family portraits, etc).
I am really coveting the Epson 3880.  Is the print quality good enough to justify the cost?
Should I get a less expensive model like the 1900 until my output volume is larger?
Right now I'm looking to print about 30 - 100 photos a month (when you factor in reprints for mistakes or changes).
Is there a saving in ink?

Nov 17 10 03:42 pm Link

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Terrell Gates

Posts: 1042

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

I love my Epson stylus photo 2000... Phenominal printer! It prints 13"x19" Supreme prints.  I use Matt Black instead od Photo Black... It makes a deeper black... The prints are on 300# Archival paper...

Nov 17 10 03:51 pm Link

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Bill Sylvester

Posts: 1509

Fairfield, Ohio, US

It's really less expensive, just in materials - not including the cost of your time, to send them out to an on-line printer like bluecubeimaging.com or whcc.com or adorama.com, etc.

Nov 17 10 03:54 pm Link

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Maxximages

Posts: 2478

Los Angeles, California, US

I just purchased the 3880. So far I like it better than my Canon 9500. As far as ink savings I can't say yet, but with the larger cartridges I should see a savings, the cartridge size on the 9500 was my biggest gripe. It seemed every time I printed something I had to replace a cartridge or one was getting low.

I think the quality of print is about the same. The Epson has better software and can be fine tuned.

There was a thread about two weeks ago on this same issue worth finding and reading. Also there is a $300 rebate on the Epson so total cost is around $850 or so.

From what you are saying regarding the quantity you will be printing it will be worth it to you to buy the printer with the bigger cartridges. Also the 3880 is one of the few Epsons that automatically changes from matte black to glossy black, some ink is still wasted.

Nov 17 10 04:29 pm Link

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le roy le croix

Posts: 1268

Grove Place, Saint Croix, Virgin Islands of the United States

Based off of this thread: https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=646105
and this article
http://www.printerville.net/2008/12/09/ … -the-king/

It would seem as though the 3880 is the most logical choice if someone is going to be doing printing from home.

Does anyone dispute this?  Or other opinions?

Quality of photo is also a consideration but it seems as though they all print at about the same quality.  Is this true?

Would you trust your professional photos to be printed by a home printer?

Nov 17 10 05:48 pm Link

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Photos by Lorrin

Posts: 7026

Eugene, Oregon, US

People I know with Epsons seem to fuss with them more than the people with Canon printers.

Nov 17 10 06:39 pm Link

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Maxximages

Posts: 2478

Los Angeles, California, US

Lorin Edmonds wrote:
People I know with Epsons seem to fuss with them more than the people with Canon printers.

Can't say with regard to the high end printers but between the Canon 9500 mk1 and the Epson 3880 there is more to fuss with. There are more people working with Epsons and as such more programs have been written for the Epson printers. Due to the availability of these programs you are able to fine tune the ink delivery on the Epsons, I could find nothing of this sort for the Canon.

Nov 17 10 06:47 pm Link

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RacerXPhoto

Posts: 2521

Brooklyn, New York, US

If making that many prints per month you absolute should get the 3880
The ink carts on the 1900 and other 13x19"printers are far to small and ineffective cost wise.
If you have a few hundred leeway in budget take a good look at the Canon IPF5100
Pros over the 3880 are higher ink capacity and built in roll feeder.

Nov 17 10 07:07 pm Link

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Rich Arnold Photography

Posts: 945

Los Angeles, California, US

Epson 3880. I have a 3800. Gallery quality prints. It's marvelous.

Nov 17 10 09:12 pm Link

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Mike Kelcher

Posts: 13322

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Bill Sylvester wrote:
It's really less expensive, just in materials - not including the cost of your time, to send them out to an on-line printer like bluecubeimaging.com or whcc.com or adorama.com, etc.

BlueCube...yes. I agree.  WHCC....if they were the last lab on earth, I guess I'd stop using labs.  Adorama I have no experience with, but heard good things. Of the three, Blue Cube has an awesome reputation.

OP...are you sure you want the hassle of printing your own images? The glory of being able to do so, is really over-rated. I'd take a silver-halide photographic print over ink on paper, anyday, but if I had to make an ink based print myself, I'd certainly opt for the silver-halide photographic print.

Nov 17 10 11:28 pm Link

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Photography by Riddell

Posts: 866

Hemel Hempstead, England, United Kingdom

The *Best* is just to send everything to your local traditional pro lab.

Works out cheaper in the long run and gets you proper chemical prints.

Paul
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk

Nov 18 10 03:12 am Link

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P O T T S

Posts: 5471

Lake City, Florida, US

I wish some of the people who review printers would put an average cost per print, say 8 x 10 or something like that just so there would be a good way to compare all of the printers, versus using an outside lab.

Nov 18 10 03:25 am Link

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le roy le croix

Posts: 1268

Grove Place, Saint Croix, Virgin Islands of the United States

Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:

BlueCube...yes. I agree.  WHCC....if they were the last lab on earth, I guess I'd stop using labs.  Adorama I have no experience with, but heard good things. Of the three, Blue Cube has an awesome reputation.

OP...are you sure you want the hassle of printing your own images? The glory of being able to do so, is really over-rated. I'd take a silver-halide photographic print over ink on paper, anyday, but if I had to make an ink based print myself, I'd certainly opt for the silver-halide photographic print.

Yes I agree, getting professional prints from blue cube or somewhere similar would be ideal.  I plan on using blue cube if for no other reason than to compare professional printing to home printing. I'll probably use a professional printer if I get into a gallery or something... But i'm not there now.  Further more I would like the instant gratification of home printing.  I would like to see how my photos print asap (sorry I'm ADD and part of the dreaded Y generation who wants it all Now.)
So, yes, when I send out print I will use Blue Cube. However, I would also like to do home printing. So now that we have that settled...  What is the best Home printer...  Best quality, best value, within reason...  And, how do home prints compare to similar professional prints?  Right now the Epson 3880 is the front runner....

Nov 18 10 10:04 am Link

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Chase Stanley Photography

Posts: 94

NEWPORT COAST, California, US

I have a Canon 9500 pro mkI and I absolutely love it.... It's a bitch learning all the in's and out's of getting the correct color profiles and properly setting the color management; but once you get it, Whoa!! The prints come out fantastic.

Whichever printer you decide on I highly recommend checking out Ilford Smooth Peal Plus paper. 

Small cartridge size is lame though.

Nov 18 10 10:16 am Link

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Maxximages

Posts: 2478

Los Angeles, California, US

Deirdre Holmes wrote:

Yes I agree, getting professional prints from blue cube or somewhere similar would be ideal.  I plan on using blue cube if for no other reason than to compare professional printing to home printing. I'll probably use a professional printer if I get into a gallery or something... But i'm not there now.  Further more I would like the instant gratification of home printing.  I would like to see how my photos print asap (sorry I'm ADD and part of the dreaded Y generation who wants it all Now.)
So, yes, when I send out print I will use Blue Cube. However, I would also like to do home printing. So now that we have that settled...  What is the best Home printer...  Best quality, best value, within reason...  And, how do home prints compare to similar professional prints?  Right now the Epson 3880 is the front runner....

When you send out a print to Bluecube or Adorama you are limited to 4 or so paper surfaces, doing a print at home there are a lot more paper selections. Also they are 2 different types of processes. The 3880 is a professional level inkjet printer. You will be able to print gallery quality inkjet prints at home. I don't think one is better than the other, just different.

As far as cost, when I had the Canon 9500 I gave up printing at home due to the frustration of the small ink cartridges, at a $130 a set, unless, it was a test print like an 8x10 to see what the picture was like.  I would wait until I had a group of prints and send them out to get printed.

As long as you don't expect to see a savings in print costs by printing at home it can be very satisfying and you can make some beautifully textured prints.

Nov 18 10 10:34 am Link

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Neil Snape

Posts: 9474

Paris, Île-de-France, France

Don't think about anything else if it's not roll feed and 17" then the 3880 is a steal. If you have the space the Canon iP5100 was good too but I prefer the Epson>

Nov 18 10 10:38 am Link

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liddellphoto

Posts: 1801

London, England, United Kingdom

Bill Sylvester wrote:
It's really less expensive, just in materials - not including the cost of your time, to send them out to an on-line printer like bluecubeimaging.com or whcc.com or adorama.com, etc.

This.

Unless you are doing serious volume I have no idea why people buy expensive film scanners and inkjet printers, lets someone else deal with the costs, hassle and profiling.

Paper costs and ink costs are hefty, even if you don't use it much they still use ink for flushing/cleaning and (certainly with HP) the pigment ink expires. My HP 9180 broke one month out of warranty with 8 x £30 ink cartridges in it which would have meant almost £640 lost. Luckily HP had an out of warranty replacement deal so I got a new printer for £170 which I stuck on ebay and recovered some of the costs. Having that much money tied up in a device like this is far too risky for me when a 16x12  from a good lab is £1.20.

Nov 18 10 10:55 am Link

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TheScarletLetterSeries

Posts: 3533

Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, US

liddellphoto wrote:
This.

Unless you are doing serious volume I have no idea why people buy expensive film scanners and inkjet printers, lets someone else deal with the costs, hassle and profiling.

Paper costs and ink costs are hefty, even if you don't use it much they still use ink for flushing/cleaning and (certainly with HP) the pigment ink expires. My HP 9180 broke one month out of warranty with 8 x £30 ink cartridges in it which would have meant almost £640 lost. Luckily HP had an out of warranty replacement deal so I got a new printer for £170 which I stuck on ebay and recovered some of the costs. Having that much money tied up in a device like this is far too risky for me when a 16x12  from a good lab is £1.20.

Convenience.  The price of printing convenience is what many will pay for....otherwise, if you're not a full-time professional or printing regularly, a pro-lab is the most economical way to go (usually).  But if you like printing large (think much bigger than what the 3880 is capable of), print on fine art materials, or gallery wrapped canvas, printing your own can make good business sense...

You simply need to invest yourself in the right equipment (profiles, calibration, media, etc) and workflow----just as any true professional would with any piece of photographic gear.

Nov 18 10 11:27 am Link

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Alex M Wolff Photograph

Posts: 342

Jericho, New York, US

4880 handles rolls

Nov 19 10 05:22 pm Link

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alexphotog

Posts: 593

New York, New York, US

I love my Epson 3880, it's really helped out. I need to print all the time and it's saved me a ton of cash and helped push my work further. Although, it's a bit painful whenever you have to buy an ink cartridge. It's still worth it.

Nov 20 10 03:14 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Alex M Wolff Photograph wrote:
4880 handles rolls

No where near the price range of the units being discussed.

Nov 20 10 04:52 pm Link

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Solas

Posts: 10390

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Skip the 3880, get the 4000 series if you can afford it. If you can't get the newest, shop around for a refurb or something. Use 220mL ink cartridges and you can print forever. 3800 only uses 80 mL, although they do last forever. 2880 would be economical, print a tad better than the 3800, but only goes up to 13" and sucks ink like wildfire.



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Nov 20 10 04:53 pm Link

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Wilde One

Posts: 2373

Santa Monica, California, US

Canon 9500 is a good printer. Great rebates when you buy a Canon camera.

Nov 20 10 06:24 pm Link