Neil Snape wrote:
Now how do you feel about photographers lying about themselves, to convince others of their greatness that doesn't exist?

I'm used to it. There are plenty of egos going around. Most i know they are jive talking as soon as they open their mouths. In fact, there are quite a few who hang around here is you have noticed them?

Neil Snape wrote:
I don't rant so this is a first.

Through different posts here, we've voted for each others pix on a gallery open to submissions for showing your work on the Vogue Italia web site. Very cool way to get some pix in a high profile web site , and the images ( small jpgs) are water marked with the cool Vogue Italia logo.

I haven't posted any yet but will.

So yesterday I saw a MM photographer in England, saying they worked for numerous magazines including Vogue Italia.

There they had posted an image, they retrieved the image, and are using that for false promotion of work. Misleading models etc, in my opinion is fraud.

I remember all too well when I left Vancouver , all the local photographers would say , oh I worked in Europe, for so many months.

In the end the truth was they were on holidays, traveling around with a back pack, shooting some snaps, doing some tests. Never did they work here, especially not in Paris. It is not that easy. Very few really came to Paris and ever worked!

Yet this probably still continues today.

There are few MM photographers who have or ever will work with Vogue Italia. As much as we'd all like to!

Now how do you feel about photographers lying about themselves, to convince others of their greatness that doesn't exist?

/rant

I wouldnt have the balls to say I had worked for Vogue Italia unless I had been hired for a legit editorial.... submitting on their website & claiming that equates to working for VI is BS!

A lot of Photographers, MUA's & Models lie about stuff... I even found a Model at an Agency in Cape Town that was using images of Solange Wilvert shot by Mert & Marcus for a 2005 Gucci Campaign & passing them off as her own! The Agency even had the images on her comp card! That kind of crap really pisses me off... In the end though those people do get found out.

Honesty is always the best policy because someone will almost always call you out if you make big claims

Neil Snape wrote:
Still does this go beyond simple misleading?

Hell yes. Very misleading.

Know Idea wrote:

Hell yes. Very misleading.

What would you do about very misleading?

Neil Snape wrote:
I remember all too well when I left Vancouver , all the local photographers would say , oh I worked in Europe, for so many months.

In the end the truth was they were on holidays, traveling around with a back pack, shooting some snaps, doing some tests. Never did they work here, especially not in Paris. It is not that easy. Very few really came to Paris and ever worked!

Yet this probably still continues today.

There are few MM photographers who have or ever will work with Vogue Italia. As much as we'd all like to!

Now how do you feel about photographers lying about themselves, to convince others of their greatness that doesn't exist?

/rant

I lose respect for such people who say they worked in PARIS, when really, they were just tourists. Very sad. I keep running into such photographers that think they are great, when really, anyone can buy DSLR these days and start 'shooting.' I have it too, but I don't go around saying I am a photographer.

I've joined this place a week or so ago, but I am having very hard time finding decent photographers. I am even willing to pay to take some nice photos.

S de Varax wrote:
I've submitted to Vogue Italia website
but no, it's not right to say based on that, that you're been published or worked with vogue italia.

although they do choose photo of the day. if your image was chosen, would you say you've been 'published' on vogue italia's website?......hmmm

I would say published online vs. published in magazine. There is a big difference on what goes into their magazine and online. Ehhh...

Neil Snape wrote:
Now how do you feel about photographers lying about themselves, to convince others of their greatness that doesn't exist?

"Anybody can be anybody on the INTERNET... and that includes MM."

unless you meet them personally (like what you did) and expose them yourself, EVERYONE here is hiding behind a mask...

Know Idea wrote:
Hell yes. Very misleading.

Neil Snape wrote:
What would you do about very misleading?

Hard to say. It is M/M after all; where heros in their own mind
can live out their fantasies.

Neil Snape wrote:

What would you do about very misleading?

Um, post a rant on MM? 

KamillaF wrote:

I would say published online vs. published in magazine. There is a big difference on what goes into their magazine and online. Ehhh...

Images posted to on line vote style galleries are NOT published period.

Some on line magazines that have serious page layout and articles could be considered published. Doing photographers on line portfolios is not in my terms published, but then again I'm an old guy coming from a printed published past.

So you are correct in stating the differences for those who want to have the differences noted.

Raoul Isidro Imaging wrote:

EVERYONE here is hiding behind a mask...

I just do that because people tend to run away screaming when they see my face

Frozen Instant Imagery wrote:

Um, post a rant on MM? 

Exactly. Nothing bothers me more than false representation luring models for exploitation or worse.

I cringe at the so called model agencies that lure models in, or worse the ones that are fronts for other things.

I like MM, I'd like to see things a safe place for all on here. The mods are trying to do a great job in keeping it that way. Many of us try as well.

Yet lying about being published in whatever magazine is grotesque.

So yeah a rant in sorts, but also a deeper concern for the models who may not know the difference between a bona fide photographer trying their best , and a schlock weasel who should be stopped>

This goes for all false claims BTW as I know some say things like FHM, Maxxim , Playboy etc. In the same way that sending a snap shot up for the hotties gallery is not shooting for the magazine.

Valentine Laroche wrote:
This is like photographers who have a couple of paparazzi shots on their ports of famous actors, maybe walking down the street or making a public appearance somewhere, and then say stuff like "I shot with so-and-so." It just makes them look like they have fragile little egos and delusions of grandeur.

Yup agreed.

The difference being , as you said it's ego building, and most likely ends there.

Those who start a long list of publications they have not worked for or to mix names like Vogue in there are trying to go somewhere else with it.

It's like Ben said I shouldn't worry about it. He's right, but I worry about MM people who fall into the trap of believing these lies.

S de Varax wrote:
I don't think photographers can actually use the vogue italia logo on their images anywhere else except on the vogue italia website or else it'll be considered trademark infringement

You're probably right.

I haven't gone through the process.

That said, I see most people who have posted on VI , have copied out the images with the logo.
I would have liked to but if it's restricted then I won't. I'll pay attention to the details when entering.

In any case, when I enter, it's to win and be in the magazine not just for the web site/blog

Eliza C wrote:
Point taken but I know at least two photographers here who HAVE been published in Italian Vogue and I have seen them. Had the privilige of working with one of them. So that is just my experience so it is possible!

Point being?

This about the gallery for which photographers upload their pictures for a vote based system . If the images are accepted by the editors , they are placed in the gallery. If they win enough votes they are chosen for a weekly prize I think.

When they are placed or if, they have the Vogue Italia logo watermarked.

Being published in any magazine if legit, is fine, also fine to list as a credit.

You could just post their names here, since this is a good place to show who really did work with Vogue Italia. MM photographers the list will be short.

I think Fred G. did but a looooong time ago.

LondonWeddings wrote:
Just out of interest - have you ever won Neil ?

Won what?

A couple of things at fairs etc.

Vogue Italia?

No , I haven't even entered yet.

I did win PDN Look competition last year. I just won the West East BK competition too. That Ben posted here, a great opportunity for MM players.

Vogue Italia would be so special to win, and further be published.