Crystal Perido wrote:
She knows she shouldn't do it beyond trying to be the rebel without a cause and all you guys are doing is jeering her on - ever seen The Accused?

You should be ashamed of yourselves

I'm not sure that a flippant one-liner in response to a model's inquiry regarding posing unclothed is equivalent to cheering on a gang-rape.

E M E R S O N wrote:
I look repeatedly through portfolios of both nude photographers and nude Models and I always wonder what brought the model to want to try nude modeling and what made photographers want to capture it.

I'd love to hear from everyone, even if you are just now considering taking on this form of art, what makes you want to try it?

Well, the photographer side isn't that hard to guess.

I sometimes ask myself why I prefer to shoot models dressed and don't do nudes.

Probably because I'm a fashion photographer

Ascension Imaging wrote:

I'm not sure that a flippant one-liner in response to a model's inquiry regarding posing unclothed is equivalent to cheering on a gang-rape.

You're aware she's in the brig and can't answer you, right?

Shutterbug5269 wrote:

You're aware she's in the brig and can't answer you, right?

No, but thanks.   I'm curious:  yes, she's recalcitrant, abrasive, and hopelessly obtuse, but in my brief scan of the thread I didn't see anything that crossed the forum guidelines - did I miss something?   ....

Ascension Imaging wrote:

No, but thanks.   I'm curious:  yes, she's recalcitrant, abrasive, and hopelessly obtuse, but in my brief scan of the thread I didn't see anything that crossed the forum guidelines - did I miss something?   ....

Scroll to the bottom of the main forum page and click "brig"

All will be explained.

Shutterbug5269 wrote:

Scroll to the bottom of the main forum page and click "brig"

All will be explained.

Ahhhh, thank you. I didn't realize MM had it's own pillory for violating the rules - it's like the "police beat" section of the newspaper - fun to see which of your neighbors has been arrested for god knows what, lol.

Darkroom Art wrote:
I shoot nudes because I love the human form & I don't see it represented in an artistic, non-sexual way enough. I'm hoping to make art. But, I do realize that there are people who will only see a nude as lust or something dirty. I feel bad for such narrow minds.

I certainly agree with that, I just need to find some people that are willing to do so for me as immediately they think i want to admire them sexually when infact, all the different shapes that can be made with the body, some can be absolutely stunning

E M E R S O N wrote:
what made photographers want to capture it.

There could be an obvious answer.

DC Sculptor wrote:
When i was last here The original thread from the op was.........why do different models try nude modeling and why do photographers artistically try to capture it ?.......excellent stimulating discussion with many points of view..........now the topic has become what defines a TRUE model like what defines a TRUE artist or a TRUE human being ? What's up with that ?

The discussion was invaded by a troll who won't be back to pollute the forums until August based on the brig log.

Michael Scot wrote:
Because anything else would just be clothes minded

Har... har... har.....

BlackArts - Jenna Black wrote:
I've been drawing nude figures since elementary school. I didn't figure out how to draw clothing in a recognizable fashion until high school, so for several years I drew nothing but mermaids, nymphs, and other lovely feminine creatures who didn't tend to wear any clothes.

When I started working in photography, I found that clothing either adds something to a scene, or else it distracts. My photography is about people, and especially the art. Clothing dates an image even more than hair styles and visual techniques. If I make a beautiful photo of a woman in fashionable clothes, in five years people will look at it and go, "oh, she's a little behind the times" and in ten years "oh yeah, I used to have one of those!" instead of looking at what the image is about. By using wardrobe choices such as historical costume, nudity, or off-the-wall fashions like the ubiquitous newspaper dress or catsuit, the fashion element is reduced, so people are more likely to focus on the aesthetic principals of the image even years later.

Clothing is also used in our culture as a means of personal expression. By removing clothing, a nude can be more homogenous, more anonymous, even when the model's face is visible. A nude woman is more relatable. She is not defined by her era or her clique. It's the counterpart to how clothing is used in movies, TV, and advertising. Think about the "mom" costume. The typical homey dress or unflattering jeans and tee shirt. When you see a woman in that outfit, you see her as a mom character. Or maybe she's dressed as an executive, or a streetwalker, or any of a million roles that are identifiable by costume. Naked she's just a woman. The same is true of course for men.

For me, nudes are a way of visually exploring humanity in a purer way, without the distraction and pretense of clothing.

Very nicely put

ShivaKitty wrote:
The first time someone ever asked to photograph me was for art nudes; a random guy in a bar approached me with a business card, and asked if I had any interest in shooting art nudes. I'd not had nice-looking photos taken of me up until that point, and certainly never had anyone ask to take my picture just because they liked my looks, so I figured, what the hell, I would shoot some art nudes.

I never really stopped modeling nude after that, and that was almost six years ago.

Well I would like to shake his hand and yours for bringing your talent to the art you create

E M E R S O N wrote:
I always wonder what brought the model to want to try nude modeling and what made photographers want to capture it.

I think phrasing it the other way makes more sense. People are flesh and blood, not fashion, so if anything should require a rationale as a subject of art, it would be adding a bunch of fussy fabrics on top of a perfectly good body.

I started with fashion. Over time, I found that shooting the human figure:

- is more interesting to me as a subject than the clothes (though I still enjoy fashion)
- is a more powerful and pure medium for what I want to say as an artist
- is more egalitarian--I can more readily use models of all sizes
- provides gallery exhibition opportunities that aren't there for faux fashion shoots
- nets models who are more reliable, professional, and mature
- is simpler--doesn't require a team of MUA, stylists, wardrobe planning, etc.

BlackArts - Jenna Black wrote:
I've been drawing nude figures since elementary school. I didn't figure out how to draw clothing in a recognizable fashion until high school, so for several years I drew nothing but mermaids, nymphs, and other lovely feminine creatures who didn't tend to wear any clothes.

When I started working in photography, I found that clothing either adds something to a scene, or else it distracts. My photography is about people, and especially the art. Clothing dates an image even more than hair styles and visual techniques. If I make a beautiful photo of a woman in fashionable clothes, in five years people will look at it and go, "oh, she's a little behind the times" and in ten years "oh yeah, I used to have one of those!" instead of looking at what the image is about. By using wardrobe choices such as historical costume, nudity, or off-the-wall fashions like the ubiquitous newspaper dress or catsuit, the fashion element is reduced, so people are more likely to focus on the aesthetic principals of the image even years later.

Clothing is also used in our culture as a means of personal expression. By removing clothing, a nude can be more homogenous, more anonymous, even when the model's face is visible. A nude woman is more relatable. She is not defined by her era or her clique. It's the counterpart to how clothing is used in movies, TV, and advertising. Think about the "mom" costume. The typical homey dress or unflattering jeans and tee shirt. When you see a woman in that outfit, you see her as a mom character. Or maybe she's dressed as an executive, or a streetwalker, or any of a million roles that are identifiable by costume. Naked she's just a woman. The same is true of course for men.

For me, nudes are a way of visually exploring humanity in a purer way, without the distraction and pretense of clothing.

Wow, well put. Had I put it in my own words I'm afraid it would be much less eloquent, but essentially would say the same thing.

I think it's funny and sad and strange that humans are at a point where our natural state is taboo, where people are actually uncomfortable being simply who and what they are and being portrayed that way. That images in our natural state is somehow sexual instead of just being human.

Personally I like shooting nudes because I feel that nudes are beautiful. I feel that the natural human form, both male and female, is a wonderful thing, so I shoot it.

E M E R S O N wrote:
I look repeatedly through portfolios of both nude photographers and nude Models and I always wonder what brought the model to want to try nude modeling and what made photographers want to capture it.

I'd love to hear from everyone, even if you are just now considering taking on this form of art, what makes you want to try it?

Because there is nothing more beautiful than the human body. Simple.

Alisyn Carliene wrote:
The money, the freedom to be less restricted, the market for shorties like me and the chance on publication more so than any other market.

Fewer suitcases....

E M E R S O N wrote:
I look repeatedly through portfolios of both nude photographers and nude Models and I always wonder what brought the model to want to try nude modeling and what made photographers want to capture it.

I'd love to hear from everyone, even if you are just now considering taking on this form of art, what makes you want to try it?

I'm so comfortable nude, it's something I really can't put in words.  The human body is truly a work of art and no two look just the same.  There are so many different things to explore and try that you simply couldn't capture correctly clothed.
I think the best part about it is that you don't have to fuss about your outfit or buy new clothes because you work the same ones in the last shoot. :]

Izrah wrote:

I'm so comfortable nude, it's something I really can't put in words.  The human body is truly a work of art and no two look just the same.  There are so many different things to explore and try that you simply couldn't capture correctly clothed.
I think the best part about it is that you don't have to fuss about your outfit or buy new clothes because you work the same ones in the last shoot. :]

Why does your profile say implied nudes only?

immateria wrote:
I have awesome nipples. The world needs to know.

Love it!

Sabine  wrote:
I would really like to, because I am not going to have this body forever.

Start tagging and messaging photographers in your area. I'm sure someone will be willing to get you started

E M E R S O N wrote:
I look repeatedly through portfolios of both nude photographers and nude Models and I always wonder what brought the model to want to try nude modeling and what made photographers want to capture it.

I'd love to hear from everyone, even if you are just now considering taking on this form of art, what makes you want to try it?

I haven't done a fully nude shot yet, solely because I do not think I am ready to capture it properly.

The female body is a display of form and grace.  Graceful curves, Vibrant Hair, flowing limbs.  The female body is a thing of beauty, and I like in particular nature photography showing this aspect.

Other aspects are seductive, some are excitement, and even amusement.  But for myself I just like the simple graceful beauty of the female form.

The male body, though I do not shoot it myself (who knows, maybe I would if asked lol) Can be displayed as a form of strength, aggression, and power.  Look at a male gymnast and tell me that he is not powerful and I will concede defeat.

It can be portrayed as well in the same manners as the female form, so this doesn't apply to everyone.

For example, a female body builder from the olympics looks more powerful then me.  I am a light framed guy, yes I served in the Marines, but I would fit better into a gentle scene as would fit my personality and thin frame.


The question I would frame, is why would a model not wish to do nude shots?

1. They believe that the human body is private and shouldn't be displayed.
2. They believe that such displays are immoral.
3. They do not believe that the human body can be portrayed as art.
4. They lack self confidence.

There may be other reasons, but remember that nude artwork survives from the beginning of mankind.  Roman and Greek statues for example.  The medium has changed but humans fascination with the human body and displaying it at its perfection has not.

Bill

Sultan Blackwell In LA wrote:
I look better naked, clothes just make me look gay

Damianne wrote:
Photographer was good at nudes.
I like his work.

I got naked about it.

Love it!

Crystal Perido wrote:
In most cases the same hung -go attitude that makes some girls go for a tattoo and regret it for the rest of their lives

If you're too insecure with, or ashamed of your body to pose nude that's fine, but don't crap on those women who aren't.

Valkyrur wrote:
my 3 cents:

                nude models are for REAL!
                nude models are not about clothes but themselves...
                nude models know what they want....
                nude models are unrepressed...
                nude models use their body to make ART
                nude models don't lie about their looks
                nude models don't need to hide behind fabric
                nude models don't care about what others may think...
                nude models are confident
                nude models carry no labels
                nude models work with their minds to express with their bodies
                nude models are smart
                nude models RULE

No really, tell us what you really think!

Valkyrur wrote:
my 3 cents:

                nude models are for REAL!
                nude models are not about clothes but themselves...
                nude models know what they want....
                nude models are unrepressed...
                nude models use their body to make ART
                nude models don't lie about their looks
                nude models don't need to hide behind fabric
                nude models don't care about what others may think...
                nude models are confident
                nude models carry no labels
                nude models work with their minds to express with their bodies
                nude models are smart
                nude models RULE

Crystal Perido wrote:
which is why REAL models will say no

So you're a REAL model then? So according to you:

REAL models are fake
REAL models are about clothes not themselves...
REAL models don't know what they want....
REAL models are repressed...
REAL models don't use their body to make ART
REAL models lie about their looks
REAL models need to hide behind fabric
REAL models care (probably too much) about what others may think...
REAL models are not confident
REAL models carry labels
REAL models don't work with their minds to express with their bodies
REAL models are stupid
REAL models SUCK


Brilliant. I can find a few REAL models that would be rather insulted by your assertion.

Sorry, I know it's feeding the twit troll, but I couldn't resist.

Jeff Fiore wrote:
I shoot nudes just to piss off Crystal....

Darkroom Art wrote:
I shoot nudes because I love the human form & I don't see it represented in an artistic, non-sexual way enough. I'm hoping to make art. But, I do realize that there are people who will only see a nude as lust or something dirty. I feel bad for such narrow minds.

I'm with ya. I have a girl friend who says all nudes are smut, including mine. Last time I checked, I'm nothing like Hustler. The human body, especially a woman's, is a beautiful thing. It's that simple.

J  Welborn wrote:
Nudes are much harder to master than clothed shots , especially for the model . A lot of models have good looks but it takes a great well toned body to look good in the nude.

I get a lot of offers for TF from girls who are 5ft 2in and weigh 175lb  . There is no way to make a good shot of that figure . I appreciate their confidence

Not true. Not true at all. Perhaps you can't do it, but it can be done. If you can't shoot anything but hot chicks I would say it's more about sex with you than showcasing the human form. Just MHO.

Here's just one example from the one and only Spock himself:
http://www.rmichelson.com/Artist_Pages/ … xBeaut.htm

Now I'll grant you nudes are the hardest thing to do well. That's another reason I do it. I like a challenge.

Tim Hammond wrote:
It's always seemed to me that the question should be "why clothed?"

I guess the simple answer to "why nude?" is "because nude humans, without all the pretense, connotations, and stereotypes that come with clothing, inspire me."

OpenMinds wrote:
Nude = $$$$

Not all of us are in it for "art"

Jessa HH wrote:
And this attitude is exactly what keeps lots of us artistically motivated models from doing nudes.

There is of course the fact that sex sells . . . One caveat, I think your photos are move valuable when you take pride in the artform itself. It really shows in your work if you're just doing it for money and the models sense this, too.