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"Models of today are nude"
A few days ago I was shooting with quite a good name in fashion. We were talking about the current aesthetics in fashion and nudity came up. To quote him, his view is: "If you want to see beautiful nude images these days, you don't buy Playboy anymore, but magazines like Vogue and Harper's Bazaar. The models show it there too. (Fashion)models of today are nude, and that's the way it is." The issue that playboy nudes (glamour) vs. Fashion nudes are not very comparable aside, what are your views on this? I tend to agree with him. I'm not saying that models should pose nude (against their will), but I do think it's becoming a prerequisite more often. Discuss, and do not troll. Jan 04 12 06:10 am Link I've definitely seen topless images, as well as images of braless models in sheer tops, in fashion magazines. There was a fair bit of nudity in W, at least a few years ago. I haven't looked through it recently. Fashion uses sex appeal, and the allure of human beauty, to market products just as other industries do. If one model is not willing to meet demands of her employer, I'm sure there are 4,458 other ones to choose from, who will do so happily. Jan 04 12 06:16 am Link You often see catwalk models with visible breasts and also without underwear but nothing blatant. An advert on TV for perfume recently showed a model who was only wearing a raincoat. 'Sanex' a skin care product have had a series of TV commercials with nude models. There is a grey area between fashion nudity and 'top shelf' magazines. Some 'lads mags' show nudes or girls in underwear posing in a sexual manner but because they don't show any 'bits' are considered non-porn. As a European you know that bare breasts are common but I don't think fashion has got to the stage of showing a woman's 'bits' yet!! Jan 04 12 06:25 am Link From studying photography, I know that fashion models regularly posed nude for photographers and artists, it's just that the editorial policies in place at the time were not inviting nude images. Now the publications are slightly more open to it, and so is the public, hence you will see it more. I think it's a good trend. I certainly prefer working with people that think nudity is no big deal. Jan 04 12 06:27 am Link photodorset wrote: You don't read Vogue Italia or Love magazine then Jan 04 12 06:27 am Link The first time I saw some nudity in fashion was likely Demarchelier pictures of Naomi Campbell painted like a native in Paris Vogue. I am sure there was more, I always had all the PAris and Italian Vogues when I was starting. It was clear when she said in an interview she likes to show 'em. Kate Moss was to follow or lead , take your pick. But even more importantly, when Elle MacPherson flashed her tits on film for Jay Miesel it was the point where undeniably Playboy would be replaced with fashion, nudity, etc. Judging by the Pirelli calendars , fashion rags, there are no limits. Where can it go from here? I question the relevance though of many shooters, insisting, when it just doesn't fit , nor has reason to be. Steven Miesel shoots with reason. So did/do all the other greats. Yet pick up any lesser magazine, and the nudity for fashion has gone wild, has no reason, no fantasy. I prefer the magazines where it is clear , nudity for the sake of being naked stays as portraits, nude yes but are not trying to be something more. Jan 04 12 06:28 am Link i love the decadence of fashion nudes...glamour nudes dont interest me to much.. Jan 04 12 06:43 am Link  (sorry, bakcing out of the thread again, I already had my fun :p) Jan 04 12 06:45 am Link Yup, I think so - at least on this side of the pond - I was test-shooting a prospective model yesterday who seriously wants to break into fashion-modelling. She ticks all the right boxes looks- and attitude-wise, apart from not wanting to work nude or topless - she even draws the line at swimsuit, 'dessous' or boudoir. I told her straight, topless at a minimum is pretty much a prerequisite for serious fashion-modelling in Europe these days...and even as an internet model she won't be making any money till she sheds a few inhibitions along with her clothes. Not with so many other girls working up to partial and implied-nude for trade... Jan 04 12 06:45 am Link Yay, so far so good  . Not a trainwreck in sight yet and no trolls. Would love to see the opinions coming. Feel free to chime in. Jan 04 12 08:28 am Link I think when it comes to fashion the adult male always wants to see the allusion of nude where actual nude isn't allowed. It is not just a selling point for the designer, it is also a selling point for the model that wants to keep (in this case) her name out front. Remember, we are talking fashion here where there is something called "clothing" to be sold. The better it can be displayed the better the sale. That is a marked difference between magazines like Playboy (except when the ads in the magazine are selling clothing) and Vogue. I don't think J.C. Penny is ready for this. Jan 04 12 08:44 am Link I too agree. I have seen many fashion nudes in photos, mags, videos ( which are now too becoming popular to have your show without the models on the runway) and are quite classy, discreet and more the norm. I have seen many great fashion images where it's as simple as one breast being exposed which you don't notice till later as your looking at all the other aspects of the photo. I think it will be a tougher sell on this side of the pond as most who have the true fashion look have no nudity posted whatsoever, on there profiles. Jan 04 12 08:48 am Link Have you looked at the website for IMG Models? You might be surprised. Jan 04 12 08:48 am Link ei Total Productions wrote: IMG = U.S. based Jan 04 12 08:51 am Link Mini_ wrote: Noticed this years ago. Jan 04 12 09:18 am Link ZingArts wrote: There's a huge difference between magazines like Vogue and Harper's Bazaar and the JCPenney catalogue. Jan 04 12 09:22 am Link Stefano Brunesci wrote: This made me smile Jan 04 12 09:28 am Link Nudity has always been used in Fashion in some way or another.There's nothing new about it,just another generation rediscovering something that has always been there. Jan 04 12 09:49 am Link I tend to agree, but the "nudety" in fashion leaves more to the imagination, while Playboy shows tyhe whole farm Jan 04 12 09:51 am Link Check out V magazines Winter issue. Its focus are agency models and see how many are nude. Jan 04 12 09:58 am Link I think what editors, and photographers also, are looking for are models who are comfortable with their bodies. The partial/total nudity is a by-product, which helps the magazine by being more "cutting edge', like "did you see so and so nude in Vogue this month? (gasp)". Fashion has always been about covering and revealing, sheer and opaque. The nudity isn't really sexual in fashion, how sexy can an anorexic 17 year old be? The fashion magazines are using our cultural bias which says nudity is shocking and scandalous to tittilate (sorry for the bad pun) us into buying magazines. Jan 04 12 10:09 am Link The essence of fashion is to merge clothes with art. From an artistic stand it makes sense to excite senses, alarm convention and challenge whats perceived as proper by including more nude images in Fashion magazines. It pushes boundaries, and agencies need to assure their models can convey these artistic visions of the clients and photographers. so the prevalence of nudity is expected. However i have not seen any fashion magazines which showcase full anatomy. They understand it would question their integrity and might make their customers uncomfortable. The man picking up playboy is not the man picking up Vogue. I do think magazines and world class photographers are careful in how they capture the feel they are going for, as opposed to many photographers who have more questionable motives. I see this as the danger for models. Though it might seem a prerequisite, it really isn't. If an agency does suggest a nude shoot to a model, they will only do so with photographers who they know will achieve a fashion look and not porn. Though it might be the look, everyone cannot achieve said look, and should not intimidate models to feel obligated to. Jan 04 12 10:10 am Link As a photographer that does a lot of fashion, I fully support this trend . . .  SOS Jan 04 12 10:15 am Link So, i guess eventually I'll have to get nekkider?....than I already have been Jan 04 12 10:20 am Link You guys clearly miss the market. Vogue is targeted to a female audience, Playboy is for men. The desire to have the girl next door is far from the ideology to aspire to an elegant form. Jan 04 12 10:21 am Link It is a waste of time flipping through 400 pages of ads for shoes and purses in the hopes of seeing a sheer top that shows a hint of nipple. Although I do admit the recent Dior ad with Charlize Theron in that slinky sheer dress is more exciting than most of the silicone advertisements you see in Playboy. Jan 04 12 10:30 am Link sdgillis wrote: yep.. Jan 04 12 10:31 am Link here4art wrote: Because all fashion models are anorexic. Clearly. Jan 04 12 10:33 am Link Jan 04 12 10:35 am Link here4art wrote: Judging by the sheer amount of 'barely legal' porn sites, quite a lot I'd guess... Jan 04 12 10:37 am Link I'm not big on fashion, but it is very much my impression that posing nude on occasion is very much a normal part of modeling in all genres just as it has become common in film and on stage. And frankly, that's been increasingly true for at least the better part of the past half-century or more. My wife attended a very well known and respected theater school (which I won't name here) in the early '60s and one of the practices at that time was for a male teacher to drop in to the women's dressing room and for a female teacher to drop into the men's dressing room early in the first academic year on some pretext just to get them past some of that initial reserve. If anything, I think that the ubiquity of the home-grown porn "industry" spawned by digital photography and video has created something of a backlash among models and actors just joining the professional ranks, leading them to claim that they won't do it, but over all I think that nudity is about as prevalent today as it was then, if not more so. Jan 04 12 02:05 pm Link Mini_ wrote: As usual genre has little to do with anything. Jan 04 12 03:41 pm Link Tom deL wrote: this! Jan 04 12 05:31 pm Link Definitely, there are alot of healthy "plus size" models who are comfortable with their bodies and it shows when they do nudes. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe that's why there are more modeling opportunities for them throughout the industry, including but not limited to fashion. Gabby Jan 04 12 06:32 pm Link Fashion photography... i.e., the art of capturing a fabric draped over a model, is such an exciting and ever changing expression of the human creative experience... Nudes... pseudo called as fashion... is like taking a picture of a Mannequin. ![https://www.nan-yang.com.hk/files/Plastic%20Mannequin[3].jpg](https://www.nan-yang.com.hk/files/Plastic%20Mannequin[3].jpg) Jan 06 12 03:16 am Link Bare Essential Photos wrote: you seriously need to stop this. Jan 06 12 03:18 am Link models pose nude more than the celebrties do for magazines. that is why the editors get them to pose nude. otherwise the celebrities would get all the pages. it is cheaper to get a model to pose nude than say madonna. Jan 06 12 03:30 am Link DA PHOTO wrote: Somewhat true. Jan 06 12 03:37 am Link Quote from an ex-agency Booker I know: "Fashion girls get naked. Commercial girls don't" While I don't completely agree with this, his point is well taken. Jan 06 12 04:03 am Link Mini_ wrote: I agree that models being nude is the new modern age. If I want to be paid for modeling, 99% of the time, I must be nude in order for the photographer to pay me for my work. I disagree with this in many ways. But, we all have our opinions. You can make art and glamour work without being nude. I refuse to be nude especially if I want to be a lawyer someday. I do not want it to come back to haunt me. As my husband says, they just want to see naked women.. Jan 06 12 04:11 am Link |
