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Photogs, start a "FLAKE LIST"
A call to all photogs to start a "FLAKE LIST" on your account!!! Notify the model if they are a no call - no show, they will be put on your flake list. Models will have to be honor their commitments, or get no offers for being inconsiderate and unprofessional. Harumph! harumph!! harumph!!! Sep 23 12 11:12 am Link some of us try to keep negativity out of our profiles. we do talk about models when we get together. i suggest networking with local photographers. and posting in the correct forum. Sep 23 12 11:16 am Link markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: How many threads are you going to start about this? Sep 23 12 11:16 am Link i was mad after my first flake. but to my credit i didn't spawn several anti-model threads in the model forum. Ed Woodson Photography wrote: Sep 23 12 11:17 am Link No thanks. Having a flake list on your profile will make you look more unprofessional than the models who flake on you. IBTL. jf Sep 23 12 11:17 am Link Negativity never goes over well. Get over it. Sep 23 12 11:21 am Link Where does it stop? Photographer flake lists, Model flake lists, Editing flake list, MUA flake list, etc. There are flakes out there and a pro will adapt and anticipate when it happens. It always happens too. Sep 23 12 11:32 am Link My advice - and this is sincere - is to get a blog or a journal or something. It sucks, bad, when people don't uphold their end of the agreement. But the forums aren't the place to vent. Especially not when you are making multiple threads in the model forum to bitch about models. As a photographer, what would your opinion be of a model who made several threads in the photography forum about such-and-such photographer not delivering photos and how they should be banned and we need a list of them etc etc etc... Get a blog/journal and have at it there. Sep 23 12 11:35 am Link Bitter much? Sep 23 12 11:38 am Link markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: Reasons why a "Flake List" is a stupid idea: Sep 23 12 11:42 am Link I think a "Flake" list is a great idea. I'll start one here: * Corn Flakes * Dandruff Flakes * Frosted Mini Flakes * Soap Flakes Sep 23 12 11:49 am Link Frankly, if a photographer has a lot of models on his "Will Not Work With", my first assumption is that the problem lies with the photographer. Sep 23 12 11:51 am Link Looknsee Photography wrote: And what's more, given that the better, no-flake models tend to also be the ones that do a proper due diligence, including reading the photographer's profile and maybe even participating in the forums, isn't it likely that they will be turned off by the fact that he's done this and decide that they'd rather not work with him. This would leave him with the lesser models, the ones who don't read profiles, etc. (or show up) thereby increasing his flake list and making him look more and more like a constant complainer. Seems to me that he's well on the way to creating his own self-perpetuating problem. Sep 23 12 11:53 am Link How about working more on the positive side? List the models that were a pleasure to work with - maybe even single out something that made the shoot special rather than just list their number. I always try and tag someone after a successful shoot. Let's accentuate the positive rather than dwell on the negative eh? Sep 23 12 11:54 am Link Nature Coast Lightworks wrote: Are you sure? What is "professional"? Sep 23 12 11:59 am Link I think we need OP to start 2 or 3 more flake threads, the forums are not yet sufficiently clogged. Sep 23 12 12:09 pm Link Rob Domaschuk wrote: * Metal Flake Paint Sep 23 12 12:17 pm Link No Sep 23 12 01:05 pm Link Models names come up all the time at several photographer groups I belong to - may be the time to share your experience BOTH GOOD AND BAD you have had. Sep 23 12 01:06 pm Link Besides the issues already mentioned: by the time flaky models would make enough flake lists for it to be clear they are flaky, they've probably already lost interest in modeling and are fading away. Sep 23 12 01:08 pm Link Ed Woodson Photography wrote: almost word for word what i was about to say. Sep 23 12 01:08 pm Link markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: Dude...let it go. Just let it go. Sep 23 12 01:10 pm Link No.. Sep 23 12 01:13 pm Link markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: You have 0 flakes on your list. So has this really been a problem for you? Sep 23 12 01:13 pm Link yeah, no. things happen. maybe half the time it's a lie, or she forgot, or whatever, but shit happens. just don't use them again if they disappoint you. what will you gain from potentially hurting their career? i know everyone wants their revenge on people who waste their time but in the end it'll just makes you look like a big fat meanie. Sep 23 12 02:32 pm Link when one has a problem the best place to start to resolve the problem is with ones self. Sep 23 12 02:36 pm Link markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: I don't need anything negative on my profile page. Thanks. Sep 23 12 02:39 pm Link markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: I'd stop right here, before the models want to start a "Creepy Photographer" or "GWC" list on their own accounts. Sep 23 12 02:39 pm Link Rob Domaschuk wrote: *Snow Flakes Sep 23 12 02:40 pm Link One man's flake is another man's rock star!! Sep 23 12 02:40 pm Link To me, a flake list screams 'Drama!' louder than an teary underage girl in a club bathroom shrieking down her phone at somone else's boyfriend. Besides, what is to stop every photographer, model, MUA etc you 'name and shame' on your list from putting you on a list of their own? Down that road, madness lies! Maaaaaaaaaaaadnessssssssssssssssss..... Can anyone else smell popcorn? Sep 23 12 02:40 pm Link  Moderator Note!markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: Doing so is against MM rules. Sep 23 12 02:46 pm Link The OP said start a Flake list, did not say it was on his profile or public. Just keeping track of them. Any photographer who doesn't track models who do not keep commitments is setting themselves up for failure. Models, MUA etc should all keep track of those who are not professional. Posting in public for all to see is a totally different issue. YMMV Dean www.Orcatek.com Sep 23 12 02:48 pm Link i think its just immature and unnecessary to have a crybaby list on your page Sep 23 12 03:01 pm Link I think this is a GREAT idea, OP. You should get the domain thismodelflaked.com and build and maintain it!! Just be sure that you have undisputed proof of the offending people so you don't get sued for libel or slander. Sep 23 12 03:03 pm Link I wil not be participating in this terrible idea. Sep 23 12 03:10 pm Link Oh no, better delete my credit list.. Other wise little mis muffet may report me.. Sep 23 12 03:19 pm Link markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: Photographers who do this will achieve 1 thing, getting less people to work with them. It will also make them look like an ass. THEIR bad expirence with a model could be their own fault. richardsphotographybc wrote: Add a MM member # or two to it and you will get reported. Guaranteed. As Kevin said you can only Put "Do Not Reccomend" and the MM #. No reasons. No Flake list. Sep 23 12 03:19 pm Link markBLANCHARDphotograph wrote: starting a "flake list" is like bragging about not getting a date. People begin to wonder what is wrong with you... Sep 23 12 03:26 pm Link 3 reasons why models flake 1. They are unreliable, or flakey- if you get flaked on by these types it means you didn't do your research 2. It wasn't worth it for them - that means your communication was off because after all the correspondance a good deal for both should have been negotiated. 3. Something came up at the last minute that is more important than posing for a random person with a camera, in which case it looks like your mean spirited in complaining. Sep 23 12 03:55 pm Link |
