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000---000
Posts: 706
Alberta, Alabama, US


I just found my own way to change wardrobe without showing anything. New top on before taking the other off etc.
Oct 08 12 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Matty272
Posts: 216
Dunfermline, Scotland, United Kingdom


I've shot with a few models now, both new and experienced, and have always been absolutely amazed at the ability to change without any skin anywhere showing when they didn't want to show it.

I was most amazed by the model/dancer who managed to divest herself of dance tights from under her leotard without removing the leotard.

Note: I've always turned away/left the room (there's something fascinating about the view out of a window sometimes) unless told specifically that there was no need to do so due to their confidence in their ability to change.
Oct 08 12 12:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
I M N Photography
Posts: 2,282
New York, New York, US


Jeff Fiore wrote:
Here in NY, even though it is legal,  some models have gotten tickets for "creating a public disturbance" because they were topless. it may be a bullshit fine but it is better to be as discrete as possible.

$29 thousand as part of a settlement for being arrested while walking around topless. Had nothing to do with breastfeeding, and everything to do with her right to be as topless as guys.

Again, we digress, because I am not talking about public nudity that involves more than beinig topless (albeit during a quick change). I am talking about people being aware of their local ordinances, not what they feel comfortable with, suspect others will disapprove, or prefer to do themselves.

It is really hard to keep a thread from derailing... (Welcome to MM, I guess?)

Oct 08 12 01:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,694
Vineland, New Jersey, US


In New Jersey, public nudity is not allowed at all (as far as I know).  I do believe it's a 4th degree felony punishable by up to 18 months in the county jail, a $7500 fine AND one must register as a sex offender under Megan's Law.  I haven't heard of any women being arrested for public nudity, but I have heard of a few men who have been locked up, fined and made to register because they were "nude" in public.

  What one guy really did is go into the woods to take a leak and someone saw him do it. 

  I won't pose for nude pictures and I won't ask anyone else to do it, either, especially in public.
Oct 08 12 06:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,984
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


NYCArthur wrote:
New York has long ago established the right of women to go topless just as a man can.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca … bowery.php

While this is true (same for Toronto) your average joe or Jill out for a stroll who happens upon a topless chick may not know this, or even if they do, are morally offended and shocked by it. Legal doesn't necessarily make it socially acceptable.


I did a topless shoot a few winters ago in NYC. I was gawked at. Some people laughed and smiled, some sneered, some hipster teenagers screamed at me for desecrating the John Lennon memorial with my tits...

Ultimately I wasn't arrested, but I wasn't exactly cheered on or more simply ignored either


You throw a dude with a camera in the mix and some busybody is going to assume you're up to no good and the cops are gonna show up regardless of if you're doing anything wrong. It's better to just not make a show of it.

Oct 08 12 07:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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HOTTIE SHOTS
Posts: 5,946
Memphis, Tennessee, US


I just have models bring oversized t shirts to put on and change bikinis under when we are out in the open.
Oct 08 12 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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GER Photography
Posts: 7,494
Imperial, California, US


Oct 08 12 08:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,734
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:
legal or not, I'd still prefer not to do it. I'll go find a cafe where I can change or something like that.

my boyfriend photographer has one of these, also quite handy smile

http://www.oztent.nl/accessoires_bestanden/changeshelter-l.jpg

folded up it's the size of one of those reflection screens, takes 2 seconds to unfold an about 6 to fold up again

I have one but have never used it.  Models just strip down.  smile

Oct 08 12 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mark Harris Photography
Posts: 490
Edison, New Jersey, US


Lovely Day Media wrote:
In New Jersey, public nudity is not allowed at all (as far as I know).

New Jersey does have a designated clothing optional beach where nudity is legal. Of course it is actually Federal land so the State law does not apply there.

In addition to several of us who photograph nudes there, willing participants only, I know of one model who likes doing swimsuit shoots on that beach because she can just change without having to cover up.

Oct 09 12 07:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 1,149
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I shot in Brooklyn with 3 models.  Not only can you be topless in New York you can be nude in New York if it is tied to performance.

Models do get arrested and for a number of years these cases have been thrown out.  And yes models have won cash awards from the city.

I plan to shoot is San Fransico where it is legal to be nude on the street.  And I plan on shooting nudes when I am there.

There is nothing like urban art nudes.

Now of course I try to be as discrete as possible, but at the end of the day like in New york there are alot of people passing by.
Oct 09 12 07:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,420
San Francisco, California, US


Lovely Day Media wrote:
In New Jersey, public nudity is not allowed at all (as far as I know).  I do believe it's a 4th degree felony punishable by up to 18 months in the county jail, a $7500 fine AND one must register as a sex offender under Megan's Law.

That is an important thing to remember.  In some states, if you get arrested for indecent exposure, you must then register as a sex offender.  It is important to also remember that it is the model, not the photographer, that is going to be cited.

That having been said, it is not illegal everywhere.  It certainly isn't illegal here in San Francisco.

Oct 09 12 08:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,420
San Francisco, California, US


Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
I shot in Brooklyn with 3 models.  Not only can you be topless in New York you can be nude in New York if it is tied to performance.

Models do get arrested and for a number of years these cases have been thrown out.  And yes models have won cash awards from the city.

Boy, you really need to re-read your caselaw.  You are completely misinterpreting the law and giving very bad advice.

Oct 09 12 08:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
bmiSTUDIO
Posts: 1,733
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


It's legal to be nude in public in Vermont. Changing clothes or tops is nothing. I am a Vermont native and check each year to make sure the laws haven't changed there. I've done shoots in public there while people watched. You just can't be doing anything lewd. Avoiding children might be a good idea, too.
Oct 09 12 08:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Carman
Posts: 365
San Francisco, California, US


Pretty much anything goes in San Francisco, except getting plastic bags at grocery stores, buying cigarettes at drug stores, assuming you won't be ticketed at parking meters on holidays (and soon Sundays), and probably voting Republican.
Oct 09 12 09:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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PTPhotoUT
Posts: 1,959
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


ei Total Productions wrote:
It is important to also remember that it is the model, not the photographer, that is going to be cited.

This is simply not true. Often it is the photographer "because it was him who caused the indecent act." How do I know? I've been convicted for this for a fully clothed model, all be it in a dress sans panties. In a remote mountain area, the only other person around was the cop who saw us leave the parking lot with a camera and followed us. He looked up her dress while she stood on a rock and issued the citation to me.

Oct 09 12 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Shutterbug5269
Posts: 16,084
West Winfield, New York, US


Though it is nice to have the law on my side as far as shooting nudes in NY State forests (I shoot in the Adirondacks a lot) I still feel the need to be courteous to other people who are also using the parks as well and schedule my shoots for when the least number of people will be around.

Tends to make the model feel a little less self conscious too.

wink
Oct 09 12 09:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,420
San Francisco, California, US


ei Total Productions wrote:
It is important to also remember that it is the model, not the photographer, that is going to be cited.
PTPhotoUT wrote:
This is simply not true. Often it is the photographer "because it was him who caused the indecent act." How do I know? I've been convicted for this for a fully clothed model, all be it in a dress sans panties. In a remote mountain area, the only other person around was the cop who saw us leave the parking lot with a camera and followed us. He looked up her dress while she stood on a rock and issued the citation to me.

First, this thread is about a model changing in public.  If indecent exposure is illegal, it is only the model who can be charged with indecent exposure, not the photographer.

Second, you are saying you were charged with an "indecent act."  In Utah, that is a lewd conduct statute, meaning that you were charged with a lewd act.  For you to have been charged, assuming that there was lewd conduct, you would have had to have been a material part of the act.  A model, merely not wearing panties wouldn't be sufficient.

Since I doubt that you are lying about being arrested, I have to believe that there is more to this story than you are telling us.  That having been said, my point is totally correct.  If a model changes in public, and public nudity is illegal, she risks being charged with indecent exposure.  In some jurisdictions she will  have to register as a sex offender.

There could be some situations where a photographer has a problem, but in most cases, it is the model at risk.  Let's not forget the model who proudly posted her citation here in the forums where she was cited for indecent exposure.

Oct 09 12 09:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Ivanafox
Posts: 979
Healesville, Victoria, Australia


oOut of sheer respect for adults and children who are not be interested or even find it offensive to see my nudey bits I don't ever take my gear off in public. Just because I'm OK with it doesn't mean everyone else is.
It's a bit wriggly but not THAT hard to keep the modesty by slipping the arms through the armholes of a singlet top pop the clothes on over and slip the singlet top out from under the outfits. Either that or change under a coat. But if I'm pre-warned about the shoot I'll bring a tube dress so I can put the outfit on over and then slide the tube dress off from under.
Oct 09 12 09:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 6,595
Tucson, Arizona, US


I'm not sure what it really is, but it's Arizona, so I'm guessing it's head to toe clothing at all times.
Oct 09 12 10:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,734
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Alabaster Crowley wrote:
I'm not sure what it really is, but it's Arizona, so I'm guessing it's head to toe clothing at all times.

Shot in Arizona.

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Oct 10 12 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Jessie Shannon
Posts: 2,004
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I wouldn't mind being topless in public just to change a shirt, but I would probably be arrested in my state.
Oct 10 12 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,734
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Jessie Shannon wrote:
I wouldn't mind being topless in public just to change a shirt, but I would probably be arrested in my state.

I had a midday shoot that was risky in the area recently.

Oct 10 12 09:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,984
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Ive done public nudes in places it was illegal too.

Are you saying you just pulled it off or are you trying to imply what you did was perfectly legal to do?

Oct 10 12 11:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,734
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Laura UnBound wrote:

Ive done public nudes in places it was illegal too.

Are you saying you just pulled it off or are you trying to imply what you did was perfectly legal to do?

One of those shots was in a park in Arizona.  The model selected the location.  It was just before sunset.  When we went back to the car a park ranger stopped and asked if we were OK.  We were lucky.  smile

Oct 10 12 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
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sdgillis
Posts: 2,422
Portland, Oregon, US


Nice to live in Oregon where we have few restrictions.  However; the more you push the harder sometimes it can come back and bite you such as the current row in Castro district San Francisco.

I would prefer to have a model changing booth.  While legally being topless etc is one thing, there is also the fact that you could draw attention and be hit with something else such as permits, questions of lude behavior, performance art (you might be drawing a crowd) and other things that could detain your time.  Maybe you want the attention to get you into the news. It sure worked for Andy Golub and Zoe West.
Oct 10 12 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,984
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jerry Nemeth wrote:

One of those shots was in a park in Arizona.  The model selected the location.  It was just before sunset.  When we went back to the car a park ranger stopped and asked if we were OK.  We were lucky.  smile

That doesn't answer the question of whether or not it was LEGAL (which is the topic of the thread, not "what can you get away with if you're sneaky")

The person you originally responded to was making a guess that in Arizona it's illegal to be nude in public, I'm asking you if the examples you provided are evidence that it's not illegal, or simply that you snuck it in

Oct 10 12 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,734
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
That doesn't answer the question of whether or not it was LEGAL (which is the topic of the thread, not "what can you get away with if you're sneaky")

The person you originally responded to was making a guess that in Arizona it's illegal to be nude in public, I'm asking you if the examples you provided are evidence that it's not illegal, or simply that you snuck it in

We didn't ask.  Since we were in a public park it was very likely that it was illegal.  We were careful and listened for cars but someone did walk by.   smile

Oct 10 12 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


MnPhoto wrote:
Just wanted to take an informal poll to see how many people are aware of public nudity laws in their locations (both The States and abroad).

If a law seems too good to sound true, be wary.

Even if your activity is supposedly legal, other charges such as disturbing the peace or public nuisance could be trumped up. Or the police could decide that the activity is illegal and arrest you anyway.

Oct 10 12 01:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Connor Photography
Posts: 6,322
Elkton, Maryland, US


MnPhoto wrote:
During a recent shoot in NY, some people were freaked out to see the female models changing their tops in public with their male counterparts.

I am not sure what part of NYC you were in.  New Yorkers have seen it all, they don't give a fu*k on any thing.  Nothing will surprise them.  May be you are talking the tourists.

Oct 10 12 01:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


Connor Photography wrote:
I am not sure what part of NYC you were in.  New Yorkers have seen it all, they don't give a fu*k on any thing.  Nothing will surprise them.  May be you are talking the tourists.

My general experience is that people are more likely to be offended or get overly-concerned in suburban and rural areas

Oct 10 12 01:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


Your best bet is primitive/undeveloped public land, which is where I have done all my outdoor nudes so far.

Also, one should take every step possible to avoid undesired encounters. I harbor resentment for photographers who push things by shooting nudes in places where common sense says you shouldn't. Sure they can get great images, but at a cost to us all and our reputations..
Oct 10 12 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gems of Nature in N Atl
Posts: 1,333
North Atlanta, Georgia, US


i am old fat and ugly... i take my top off and the llama can walk around nude and noone notices as they are doubled over laughing at me...
Oct 10 12 01:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Gina Dee
Posts: 297
BRONX, New York, US


I think it's just about being considerate. The photographer I usually work with goes out of his way to shoot at locations and times of the day where pedestrian traffic in particular are at a minimum.

I'm good wearing an oversize long skirt changing bottoms and I'm at 5-3 I can duck behind a car to change my top. As long as you're not looking shady and suspicious I've found people will pay you little or no mind at all.
Oct 10 12 01:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kreative I Photography
Posts: 46
Fremont, California, US


Come to San Francisco. You'll have NO WORRIES. Nudity is legal.
Oct 10 12 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
vinnysphotos
Posts: 57
MASPETH, New York, US


You need to check out this link and No it's not a porn site
http://gotopless.org/
for more info on this subject.
Oct 11 12 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Figuremodel001
Posts: 264
Chicago, Illinois, US


NYCArthur wrote:
New York has long ago established the right of women to go topless just as a man can.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca … bowery.php

San Francisco is open as well but that does not apply to every city in CA.

Oct 14 12 11:49 am  Link  Quote 
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bentprism photography
Posts: 31
Los Angeles, California, US


I bought a bed sheet. I hold it up. The model changes. No one sees. Easy stuff.
Oct 15 12 01:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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