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Photographer
Click Click Click
Posts: 12
Batavia, New York, US


I am new to this and just hiring a couple models for a shoot in LV next month, I would like to try to shoot boudoir, lingerie and some artistic body scapes.

Some of the modes profiles say they always bring an escort and that it is “nonnegotiable if you don’t like it don’t ask to hire me” I guess I understand why some feel the need to bring an escort, apparently there have been issues in the past… to bad that not everyone was able to keep professional.

Why are some of the models so defensive about bringing an escort? Do the escorts get in the way? Inhibit the shoot?

As a photographer what do I need to be aware of here?
Dec 05 12 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ken Sanville Photo
Posts: 252
Louisville, Colorado, US


Whatever the llamas issue, if she wants an escort, that should be fine. Everyones comfort level is important.
Dec 05 12 08:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


It's not a bad idea to bring your own "escort" as photographer...you never know when the model's "escort" may be just a hired thug that's out to steel your camera gear while the "model" distracts you. wink $10K in camera gear will buy a LOT of Meth.
Dec 05 12 08:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Click Click
Posts: 12
Batavia, New York, US


I don't have a problem with a model brinig an escort, at least on paper, I was just wondering why it seams to be an issue?
Dec 05 12 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,636
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Ken Sanville Photo wrote:
Whatever the models issue, if she wants an escort, that should be fine. Everyones comfort level is important.

http://www.shotbyadam.com/images/escort.jpg

There are about 22 trillion escort threads on this website and none of them ever go well. Congratulations OP, you just opened up one massive can of worms.

Dec 05 12 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ForeverFotos
Posts: 6,621
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


When you make a deal to shoot with a model, you can find out a lot about him/her from their profile and by asking others about that model. That is not true with an escort......with an escort you do not know who that person(s) is, and how they might behave at YOUR shoot. Beware the escort.

http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/69895.jpg
Dec 05 12 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,344
Asheville, North Carolina, US


How are you sure the model really wants to be there if she's always in the presence of a minder?
Dec 05 12 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AWHill Photography
Posts: 151
New York, New York, US


This is one of those age old questions that has been addressed a thousand times in these forums. Do a simple search for model escort and you'll find perspectives from both models and photographers on this.

I personally do not allow escorts during my set - unless they:

1. MUA
2. Stylist
3. Hairstylist
4. Upon dropping off the model and seeing that no horrific murder will take place avail themselves to the many local restaurants, botanical gardens, or parks in my area for the next 1 - 2 hours we will be shooting.

As long as you are professional in your shoots and arrange your shoots that way you will have little problem. I have never felt the need to communicate/text a model constantly other then confirming they are on their way and if they need a special drink/snack on the set.

Everything else is worked out before hand with the appropriate people.

To answer your question - yes escorts can sometimes get in the way - sometimes they can be useful for holding lights/props - sometimes they can steal equipment/ipods/pads - but I tend to err on the side of if you are on the set of a photoshoot then you should have a specific reason for being on set. Protection, unless you are famous is 99% of the time not needed.

I don't need to professionally deal with other people relationships if the escort is a boyfriend/significant other/jealous/whatever.

I spend my day job working with a very difficult population and would prefer that what I do for artistic enjoyment not be marred by petty things.
Dec 05 12 09:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,941
Santa Ana, California, US


If the photographers interested in shooting these llama herder-demanding models, would grow a pair and just refuse to use them with their risky (monetary and safety) demands, then these 'models' would be forced to act professionally or not model.

Of course there are enough timid GWCs on places like MM to keep these wannabe girls in g-string dollars for the 'pretty years' they have left.
Dec 05 12 09:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


If you don't allow the model to have an llama herder...you are obviously a "perv".
At least that's what I'm told.

John Allan wrote:
If the photographers interested in shooting these llama herder-demanding models, would grow a pair and just refuse to use them with their risky (monetary and safety) demands, then these 'models' would be forced to act professionally or not model.

Of course there are enough timid GWCs on places like MM to keep these wannabe girls in g-string dollars for the 'pretty years' they have left.

1000

PS: welcome to Mayhem!

Dec 05 12 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,699
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Professionals don't bring escorts, not at Starbucks and not modeling (but I suspect those models who do will continue with the career aspirations at Starbucks).  It's simple, move on to the next model and consider yourself saved from the hassle that always comes from it.
Dec 05 12 09:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CreativeKvn
Posts: 120
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Sorry I do not allow escorts to be on set when I shoot a lone (i.e. no MUA or assistant). There are 2 reasons:

(1) A fellow photographer of mine arranged to shoot in a upscale hotel in Germany. The model arrived with the escort. The shoot lasted 5 minutes, maybe less, because it didn’t happen. What did happen is that his camera and lenses were stolen and he was pretty shook up. Don’t know the details, but I much rather deal one-on-one than anything.

(2) I don’t like escorts when I am alone, because they distract me. Not sure why, but they distract me and I make mistakes. Maybe it is because I am "newer" or less experienced.

Usually I meet models before the shoot for coffee, do some public shoots, or just meet. Bottom line, if a model doesn’t want to shoot without an escort, I understand, but won’t shoot with her smile

When there is a MUA on set or I have somebody helping, it is different for some reason. Things are more relaxed and things are slower and I feel less stressed.
Dec 05 12 09:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Click Click
Posts: 12
Batavia, New York, US


Interesting replies, thanks for the welcome too.

My initial thought was the models that mentioned escorts seemed more like bachelor party strippers. I read one that said her escort was her husband and he was going to be it the room the entire time “no matter what”... that profile started raising my awareness to the escort issue.

The two I am currently booking don’t have escorts.

BTW does anyone have any suggestions for models in LV?
Dec 05 12 09:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,348
Salem, Oregon, US


we allow escorts and haven't had any major problems (one boyfriend who didn't like any of his girlfriend's outfits). we've had moms, babies, friends, dads, you name it.

some models are just testing you by asking about escorts. they won't necessarily bring one but they want to know you would allow them to do it.

i think models are probably more at risk from men they do know then men they don't but i certainly understand their concerns and many sites advising models tell them to only shoot with photographers who allow escorts.

the funny thing is we have high school senior girls come shoot with us without their moms (the moms are aware of the shoot but often are too busy to sit in on the session itself).
Dec 05 12 09:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Daeda1us
Posts: 1,067
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


I am ok with most llama herders, but absolutely refuse significant others.
No boyfriend/fiance/husband. 

But that is just me.

My two cents, YMMV
Daeda1us
Dec 05 12 09:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
New Art Photo
Posts: 701
Los Angeles, California, US


Lately I've been seeing girls on MM saying they need to bring "one or two friends/llama herders with them"...Wow (!)

....I understand the need to be cautious, but often the girls who need llama herders live in such a shady world ( and have dealt with such creepy guys and thus have so little trust in people)  I frankly don't want to bring them into MY world.
Dec 05 12 09:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kev Lawson
Posts: 7,215
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Click Click Click wrote:
BTW does anyone have any suggestions for models in LV?

Some of the models that hang out in this forum a really cool....

http://www.modelmayhem.com/t.php?forum_id=21

one word of warning, that forum is supposedly the underbelly of MM; you may never make it back out!

Just look under their names for location several are from Vegas.

Dec 05 12 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
New Art Photo
Posts: 701
Los Angeles, California, US


Click Click Click wrote:
I am new to this and just hiring a couple models for a shoot in LV next month, I would like to try to shoot boudoir, lingerie and some artistic body scapes.

Hiring girls in Vegas for "Lingerie/ artistic bodyscapes" is playing with fire anyway, IMHO. There's some pretty hardcore girls and their friends in Vegas...Maybe start with some Russian girls in NYC just to get a feel for it.

Dec 05 12 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,699
Atlanta, Georgia, US


twoharts wrote:
we allow escorts and haven't had any major problems (one boyfriend who didn't like any of his girlfriend's outfits). we've had moms, babies, friends, dads, you name it.

some models are just testing you by asking about escorts. they won't necessarily bring one but they want to know you would allow them to do it.

i think models are probably more at risk from men they do know then men they don't but i certainly understand their concerns and many sites advising models tell them to only shoot with photographers who allow escorts.

the funny thing is we have high school senior girls come shoot with us without their moms (the moms are aware of the shoot but often are too busy to sit in on the session itself).

I have only ever had two or three boudoir customers come with a friend (well one that we were not also shooting).  That's Mrs Smith doing boudoir!  Much like you business.  Never has a professional model I was testing come with anyone unless they were under age - actaully that is far more common given fashion models starting so young.

Dec 05 12 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,451
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


A few reasons I'm not a fan of models wanting to bring escorts  (though I don't yet have a policy against it):

1. If someone feels I pose a safety threat to them, I'd rather just not shoot them.

2.  It increases the odds of a cancelation since two people, not just one must stick to their commitment.

3.  Every person at a shoot brings some liabilities, but those invovled with the shoot bring something to the table that makes those liabilites worth while.  Since an escort brings nothing of value to the shoot, it's a liability only.
Dec 05 12 10:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kaouthia
Posts: 3,152
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom


Abbitt Photography wrote:
1. If someone feels I pose a safety threat to them, I'd rather just not shoot them.

That's pretty much why I don't want 'em too.

Dec 05 12 10:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
C R A W F O R D
Posts: 1,266
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


OK I usually avoid these types of threads but, I feel like your being sincere with your question. Sooo I'll offer up my "opinion"

When your browsing profiles looking for a model. You'll generally see a night and day difference between the quality of work from models who do this as their job, versus the models who are dead set on escorts and do this as a hobby. And when I say quality of work I mean... look at the models work, you can tell the ones who know their shit and you can see who works with kickass photographers and who doesnt. wink

Also, realize that just because someone has a model portfolio, it doesnt mean they're a model.

Personally, If I see this "its my right to bring an escort" in someone's profile I wont shoot with them. It's usually not worth the headache for me.

With all that said, this is what works for me and what has always produced the best results for me. I obviously cant speak for every model out there which is why I made it a point to use terms like "generally and personally".

You may want to think about paying a seasoned pro model. They always know tons of poses that work well. They often have a good understanding of how to work under lights and what types of lighting works best on them. And best of all they're pretty much always willing to help and give information IF you ask for it during your shoot. (let them know your new and wanting to learn)

Ohhh and keep in mind.. your asking for lingerie, boudoir and body scapes. Those types of shots from a newish photographer can be interpreted as "pervy creeper" which is why some models may prefer to bring an escort. It's understandable if you think about it. If you really want to shoot that stuff by all means do what you enjoy, but at the same time realize how that can come across to a complete stranger. Again, you may want to think about hiring a profesional model who specializes in that type of work. There are a ton of good ones who are used to working with new people and dont mind it at all.

and in the end... no matter who you decide to work with or what route you take... Always ALWAYS ALWAYYS be as polite and profesional as possible. This will give you a good reputation and over time that word gets out and more people are happy to work with you based on that outstanding reputation.

Take care and good luck,
Tim
Dec 05 12 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,348
Salem, Oregon, US


now that i've been doing this for a while i'm aware that some guys are doing it mainly for sex (or at least the hope of sex) so i'm sympathetic to the models. and we've done many shoots over the last 3  years with llama herders of all kinds and have never had a major problem. i've done intimate nude shoots with the boyfriend sitting on the couch and it didn't bother me. the naked model would jump on his lap during breaks and i thought it cute.

your assumption may be valid for some but for others i think they just don't have a problem with llama herders (or at least not yet but i've been doing this for 3  years now).

maybe my situation is different because i shoot with the wife so the nature of the shoot has to be something we're both comfortable with.

John Allan wrote:
Of course there are enough timid GWCs on places like MM to keep these wannabe girls in g-string dollars for the 'pretty years' they have left.

Dec 05 12 11:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DaveDavis
Posts: 5,919
Roseville, California, US


ArtisticGlamour wrote:
It's not a bad idea to bring your own "escort" as photographer...you never know when the model's "escort" may be just a hired thug that's out to steel your camera gear while the "model" distracts you. wink $10K in camera gear will buy a LOT of Meth.

+1

Dec 05 12 11:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Click Click
Posts: 12
Batavia, New York, US


CRAWFORD, thanks for the reply.

Shooting bodyscape and such is " kind of pervy" Hu, I had not considered the sexual aspect until now.... really? I have shot lots of different styles over the years but never female models, I would like to try it to see what I can accomplish. I am still looking for a style in my portraits of people (landscape, macros I can create what I would like to see, street needs work).

I had advice from a photographer years ago "shoot what you like" that happens to be women looking beautiful.
Dec 05 12 12:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,796
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


You would bring an escort too with guys like this

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8345/8247219479_461916c150_c_d.jpg

Seriously though, it's a comfort thing. As long as they don't interfere I don't see the issue.
Dec 05 12 12:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,941
Santa Ana, California, US


twoharts wrote:
now that i've been doing this for a while i'm aware that some guys are doing it mainly for sex (or at least the hope of sex) so i'm sympathetic to the llamas. and we've done many shoots over the last 3  years with escorts of all kinds and have never had a major problem. i've done intimate nude shoots with the boyfriend sitting on the couch and it didn't bother me. the naked llama would jump on his lap during breaks and i thought it cute.

your assumption may be valid for some but for others i think they just don't have a problem with escorts (or at least not yet but i've been doing this for 3  years now).

maybe my situation is different because i shoot with the wife so the nature of the shoot has to be something we're both comfortable with.

But it's the llama's responsibility to be capable of identifying those that are likely to being in it for sex rather than the images. It's usually not rocket science to figure out. And there is plenty of help for newbies on some of the red flags.
But you (@models), don't get to burden me and/or put me at risk due to your fears. Maybe you shouldn't be llamaing until you (@model) figure it out.

That said, there are quite a few llamas on MM (yep I said it), that specifically target exactly those 'photographers'. So to those: reap what you (@model) sow and stay away from me.

Dec 05 12 12:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Steamy Imagry
Posts: 2
Washington, District of Columbia, US


I am just going to say this quickly and easily.... I have a rule, you bring the llama herder, he/she has to work.  Doesn't matter if your bring 3 or 5.... They all get put to work.  Either holding modifiers, helping wardrobe or being a prop in the shot.  You bring, they work.  big_smile
Dec 05 12 12:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,550
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


C R A W F O R D wrote:
OK I usually avoid these types of threads but, I feel like your being sincere with your question. Sooo I'll offer up my "opinion"

When your browsing profiles looking for a model. You'll generally see a night and day difference between the quality of work from models who do this as their job, versus the models who are dead set on escorts and do this as a hobby. And when I say quality of work I mean... look at the models work, you can tell the ones who know their shit and you can see who works with kickass photographers and who doesnt. wink

Also, realize that just because someone has a model portfolio, it doesnt mean they're a model.

Personally, If I see this "its my right to bring an escort" in someone's profile I wont shoot with them. It's usually not worth the headache for me.

With all that said, this is what works for me and what has always produced the best results for me. I obviously cant speak for every model out there which is why I made it a point to use terms like "generally and personally".

You may want to think about paying a seasoned pro model. They always know tons of poses that work well. They often have a good understanding of how to work under lights and what types of lighting works best on them. And best of all they're pretty much always willing to help and give information IF you ask for it during your shoot. (let them know your new and wanting to learn)

Ohhh and keep in mind.. your asking for lingerie, boudoir and body scapes. Those types of shots from a newish photographer can be interpreted as "pervy creeper" which is why some models may prefer to bring an escort. It's understandable if you think about it. If you really want to shoot that stuff by all means do what you enjoy, but at the same time realize how that can come across to a complete stranger. Again, you may want to think about hiring a profesional model who specializes in that type of work. There are a ton of good ones who are used to working with new people and dont mind it at all.

and in the end... no matter who you decide to work with or what route you take... Always ALWAYS ALWAYYS be as polite and profesional as possible. This will give you a good reputation and over time that word gets out and more people are happy to work with you based on that outstanding reputation.

Take care and good luck,
Tim

Yep, you are saving me a lot of typing time.
My policy is pretty simple ... no escorts. Even if I have never had a bad situation arise the few times I allowed it.

On MM if the profile says Escorts, I say next.
One model brought her boyfriend unannounced. I relented (because). He was not a problem. During the shoot I would occasionally look at him thinking to myself, "you are dating this bitch. Why?"

On another occasion during an exchange of emails a model suddenly springs a "Can I bring my escort?". I says, " sure. you can bring your pimp". Ok, so I will never do that again, but it was fun at the time.

I personally like suggestions made on the 2 million other "Escort'" threads.
My fav. and I will use, when I don't mind wasting time, is to say " sure not a problem ... but I will need from your escort in advance, a photo ID, address and phone #, 2 references and proof of personal liability insurance". Likely end of conversation, but what the hell.

Dec 05 12 01:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
-JAY-
Posts: 6,516
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Click Click Click wrote:
BTW does anyone have any suggestions for models in LV?

For boudoir, art nudes, nobody beats this chick in regards to posing and emoting: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1408998

I have a couple dozen I can recommend, depending on what you want / budget.

Dec 05 12 06:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
-JAY-
Posts: 6,516
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Steamy Imagry wrote:
I am just going to say this quickly and easily.... I have a rule, you bring the escort, he/she has to work.  Doesn't matter if your bring 3 or 5.... They all get put to work.  Either holding modifiers, helping wardrobe or being a prop in the shot.  You bring, they work.  big_smile

One of the straws that broke the camel's back - an escort let a quite expensive light fall into a pool while he was tweeting.

Fuck that. No escorts.

I'd rather use sandbags. "Dear twitter, I cannot type, as I am holding up expensive shit. Also, I have no thumbs because I am a sandbag."

Dec 05 12 06:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
- Aina -
Posts: 740
Redlands, California, US


I typically arrive with about 10 people at my side. You know, the whole safety in numbers thing. Yeah.
Dec 05 12 11:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
imcFOTO
Posts: 579
Bothell, Washington, US


Click Click Click wrote:
I don't have a problem with a model brinig an escort, at least on paper, I was just wondering why it seams to be an issue?

Depends on the photographer I guess. Personally, I prefer to work one to one with a model - I feel more focused and I think it helps the model connect better too. Where I have allowed escorts, they are asked to stay in the other room while we actually shoot. From a chaperone point of view - the don't need to be that close to the action (and it really isn't practical in my small apartment anyway).

You probably don't want boyfriends, husbands, managers either. Especially anyone who suggests he has to be there to help the model with her poses! (as I've head at least twice before).

it is important to make a model feel safe though - i usually try and handle that by doing a coffee meet upfront. And if they must bring an escort, my rule is it must be female and she hangs out in the other room while we shoot (usually watching netflix and helping the model with clothing changes if she wants).

We are all entitled to make our own rules - models and photographers. You have to work out what works for you and stick to it. For those that don't have a problem with escorts - fine - good for you - but not for me ok?

Dec 05 12 11:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
- BP Photo -
Posts: 214
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


Abbitt Photography wrote:
2.  It increases the odds of a cancelation since two people, not just one must stick to their commitment.

This is a point worth emphasizing.  I have had scheduling complications because the model had to schedule the escort as well as herself. 

I have allowed escorts in the past because I was willing to be more accommodating to get shoots when I just started out.  Now I have had enough of that.  No escorts ever.

Dec 06 12 07:07 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Carolina Goddess
Posts: 146
Augusta, Georgia, US


I cant say I always have my escort with me but There are times I just feel it necessary. I was asked to do a shoot where I was to be tied to a tree. The photographer had contacted me before gushing on about how he would like to work with me but didn't think he could contain himself. Later contacted me again offering to pay for a shoot if I could do the concept. I felt like I needed my escort and he said he just didn't think he wanted anyone around who might criticize his work. So No I will not travel out of town alone and let someone I do not know tie me half nude to a tree . When my escort IS on set he helps out any little job needed or stays out of the way.
Dec 06 12 07:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,483
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Carolina Goddess wrote:
I cant say I always have my escort with me but There are times I just feel it necessary. I was asked to do a shoot where I was to be tied to a tree. The photographer had contacted me before gushing on about how he would like to work with me but didn't think he could contain himself. Later contacted me again offering to pay for a shoot if I could do the concept. I felt like I needed my escort and he said he just didn't think he wanted anyone around who might criticize his work. So No I will not travel out of town alone and let someone I do not know tie me half nude to a tree . When my escort IS on set he helps out any little job needed or stays out of the way.

There are models who are tied up all the time.  If you are not comfortable with the photographer don't do the shoot.

Dec 06 12 08:00 am  Link  Quote 
Model
- Aina -
Posts: 740
Redlands, California, US


Jerry Nemeth wrote:

There are models who are tied up all the time.  If you are not comfortable with the photographer don't do the shoot.

She mentioned that he said he "didn't think he could contain himself." I can easily see why she would want an escort for that particular shoot, especially if she wanted the pictures (or money)  for it.

Dec 06 12 08:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Carolina Goddess
Posts: 146
Augusta, Georgia, US


Miss Deux wrote:

She mentioned that he said he "didn't think he could contain himself." I can easily see why she would want an escort for that particular shoot, especially if she wanted the pictures (or money)  for it.

Exactly so I am not doing the shoot with him. I am however scheduled for 2 other bondage type shoots that I feel the photographer is professional enough to contain himself. My escort will be there holding reflectors helping with wardrobe adjustments and bringing me water.

Dec 06 12 08:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BodyIndustry
Posts: 268
Washington, District of Columbia, US


John Allan wrote:
If the photographers interested in shooting these escort-demanding models, would grow a pair and just refuse to use them with their risky (monetary and safety) demands, then these 'models' would be forced to act professionally or not model.

Of course there are enough timid GWCs on places like MM to keep these wannabe girls in g-string dollars for the 'pretty years' they have left.

+1

AJScalzitti wrote:
Professionals don't bring escorts, not at Starbucks and not modeling (but I suspect those models who do will continue with the career aspirations at Starbucks).  It's simple, move on to the next model and consider yourself saved from the hassle that always comes from it.

+1

Herman Surkis wrote:
I personally like suggestions made on the 2 million other "Escort'" threads.
My fav. and I will use, when I don't mind wasting time, is to say " sure not a problem ... but I will need from your escort in advance, a photo ID, address and phone #, 2 references and proof of personal liability insurance". Likely end of conversation, but what the hell.

+1 I am going to have to use that one.  I will also add that an escort will have to pay a fee to be in the studio......that may be a game changer smile

Dec 06 12 08:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
New Art Photo
Posts: 701
Los Angeles, California, US


Illuminate wrote:
You would bring an escort too with guys like this

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8345/8247219479_461916c150_c_d.jpg

Seriously though, it's a comfort thing. As long as they don't interfere I don't see the issue.

--That model looks a little depressed.

Dec 06 12 08:23 am  Link  Quote 
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