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Stephen E Morton
Posts: 577
White Plains, New York, US


FaceBookie has done me well ~ sorry to go the opposite way on this, but true.
Jan 10 13 07:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Azimuth Arts
Posts: 1,489
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


DG at studio47 wrote:
question for posters in this thread, not the OP:

so do we add FB to the list of adversarial topics here in the forums?
escorts, canon V Nikon, flakes, creepy photographers, art vs porn, TFP vs paid shoots, and the infinite remainder?

ever heard of live and let live?

so you hate FB? I'm sure you are hooked into something that the rest of us hate.

do what works for you.

Yes, I have a FB profile. its linked from my MM profile. If anyone wants to know more about me, FB is a fairly "ok" place to find out? while you are there, check any of the 24 albums I have there? check more references on me? or.........not.

I think you are confused - there is NO TOPIC on MM that is NOT adversarial.  Someone will always come along and disagree.

I don't care if someone has Facebook or not, if they make money from it or not.  All the best.  But that does not mean I need to use it the way everyone else does.  I am sure Nikons are fine cameras, I have a Canon.  I can only afford ONE system so I had to choose.  Depending on your business llama it may not make sense to maintain more than two or three properties on the Internet.  MM, Wordpress Blog and Flickr account may be all some people have the time for.

Besides, the OP asked for opinions on whether he should have been directed to Facebook - and like every other thread he got his opinions - now it is up to him to weigh those opinions and make a (semi) informed decision.

Just my $0.02

Jan 10 13 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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DG at studio47
Posts: 2,365
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


oops.
Jan 10 13 11:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,467
Paris, Île-de-France, France


rick lesser wrote:
Am I the only one not on Facebook?  I have a casting going on at the moment and some of you are sending me to facebook to see your work.  Does everyone assume that we are all on facebook and is it professional to send someone there for business?  Since I have no account (and no interest in opening one) you have lost any chance of me hiring you.   R-

I was a very very latecomer to FB. I had no choice, nor is there any competition.
Is work being done via FB?

A lot. Knowing how to use it for most is a mystery. I have been trying my best to understand, watching webinars, tutorials on capturing it's power.

All of the MU/hair people I work with are on FB, including some of their agencies.
MM for me is now just a fun site to post things to and an extension of a TF network.

As much as I don't like FB, I have to admit that it is a way of life for most. Only the truly people with so much demand they will never need promotion can escape it.

Jan 10 13 11:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brandon L Ingram
Posts: 40
Eugene, Oregon, US


I don't have a Facebook for my photography.

Why ask others to check out their Facebook for additional photos? Why not post the pics on MM? I can't view Facebook pages without an account (unless I'm just trippin'). Let's keep it simple....
Jan 10 13 11:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Julian W I L D E
Posts: 1,829
Portland, Oregon, US


I send "Face Book Models" to MM when they ask "What are your rates???"

Keeps it pretty simple and straightforward that way.  big_smile

-JULIAN

I also don't consider my stuff on Fbook to be any where near "my best work."  I'll send them to MM or 550px or Redbubble to see "what I really Do."  And that works for me.  -J
Jan 10 13 11:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Scarlett Renee
Posts: 217
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


I hate the book of faces.

Even though I have one, if I'm sent there to me its kind of a red flag. I'll ask for a website, or other portfolio hosting site (like MM).
Jan 10 13 11:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Pistol Foto
Posts: 16
Warsaw, Illinois, US


Just remember as per Facebook terms of usage......



"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."


If you post photos there, you are granting a release for Facebook to use them.
Jan 11 13 12:12 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Linda Chudomelova
Posts: 133
Prague, Prague, Czech Republic


rick lesser wrote:
Am I the only one not on Facebook?  I have a casting going on at the moment and some of you are sending me to facebook to see your work.  Does everyone assume that we are all on facebook and is it professional to send someone there for business?  Since I have no account (and no interest in opening one) you have lost any chance of me hiring you.   R-

I am on Facebook (profesionally, very little personal stuff), because, let's face it, everyone is there and it's a great tool for communication. At least I find it to be.

But I find it very unprofessional if people can't be bothered to keep a portfolio viewable by any and everyone. If I ask for portfolio and people send me a link to (secured) Facebook, where you can't see a photo, I'm always wondering whether that person is pranking me, meaning it for real, or just not interested in the project I'm offering.

Jan 11 13 12:27 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Jaime Criel Makeup
Posts: 149
New York, New York, US


Sorry R didn't mean "rant" in a bad way smile

I have a personal and professional facebook page. The more exposure the better. No portfolio should contain more than 20-30 pictures so the fact that it gives you the option to post as many pictures as you want is not the appeal. But in today's digital age, I think it's important and expected to have one. The more followers you have, the more chances you have of being sponsored or signed with an agency. Everyone is looking for exposure!

That being said, I would never take someone seriously who sent me to their facebook page to look at their work. The same way I wouldn't take someone seriously who sent me to a free website that they've put their work on.

In our industry, we must take the time and money (you don't have to spend a lot) to have a website for our work.
Jan 11 13 07:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5,209
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


What's a facebook?
Jan 11 13 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Dan K Photography
Posts: 5,448
STATEN ISLAND, New York, US


Pistol Foto wrote:
Just remember as per Facebook terms of usage......



"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."


If you post photos there, you are granting a release for Facebook to use them.

Of course you are. How else are they going to show them to people who visit your page? MM and every other photosharing sites have the same type of language.

Jan 11 13 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ami Eros
Posts: 1
Eastbourne, England, United Kingdom


where facebook may not be particulary professional social media like facebook twitter and instagram are brilliant ways to raise your profile as an artist and to get a mass audeience especally for people who are just starting out
Jan 11 13 08:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JD Liddil
Posts: 98
North Haven, Connecticut, US


google plus perhaps?
Jan 11 13 08:37 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
sweetcheekscouture
Posts: 427
West Palm Beach, Florida, US


Hi Rick! Met you with Virginia at that networking event at the Funky Biscuit in Boca.

I have gotten a lot of work from Facebook and I don't really consider MM a professional site either so . . .

I would say that anyone who is a real professional should have a dedicated website.

I would normally send someone to my main web site but since I am primarily a photographer that would not be the case for makeup images.

Whether or not you are on facebook is a personal choice but in my experience there is more work and useful networking going on on facebook as opposed to MM.

Your results may vary of course smile
Jan 11 13 08:57 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Carmen Make up and Hair
Posts: 320
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I always thought it was pretty strange seeing people link to their Facebook to to show their work - I always thought it seemed a bit unprofessional and..cheap? 
That being said, I used my Facebook primarily as a personal page, that I will often post my make-up work to, to share with my friends and family.  Recently I made a 'fan page' for my clients to keep in touch with me on, and I post more of my work there now.  I have industry people on my personal page but, they're mostly people I do repeat work with, and have more of a friendship connection with.

That all being said, I feel like the lines are constantly being blurred and my online presence is my online presence, no matter what site/page it's on. if you google my name, my oooold modeling page actually comes up before any of my makeup stuff.  Clients who have trouble finding my makeup page will add me to their personal facebook... It's interesting from the standpoint of someone who 'grew up with the internet' in a way.  I remember when the internet was this place that you could hide behind and say/do the things you are scared to do in real life, and not really worry about the consequences.  Now I am tip-toe-ing around speaking my mind online in alot of instances, for fear of who may google me and find said oppinions.  I do not want to hurt my chance of getting a job just because I have different views from someone.

I went off on a tangent a bit there.

Before I had my website, I would link people to my model mayhem for my portfolio.  Never to my Facebook.  And I always felt rather strange and amatuerish linking to this site (hopefully not offending anyone with that one) and I am glad to now have a real website to link clients to.
Jan 11 13 10:02 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
FacesByNiki
Posts: 51
Germantown, Maryland, US


I have a personal Facebook page and a business page.

I love Facebook for my business. When I update it, and share the link from my personal page, more and more people see it, and then they share it. Is all my work on there, no, not at the moment. Most is on my website, but it gives them an idea of what I can do.

It's very good for bridal work. Most brides are on line right now, looking for things and vendors for their wedding. Why not, give them more access to you?

Oh and as far as drama, I don't have any of that. lol  What is there to have drama about on Facebook? lol
Jan 11 13 10:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,819
Imperial, California, US


I hate Facebook with a purple passion!!! And I don't put pictures on there anymore, I left a few of the old ones, but will not post there anymore.
Jan 11 13 10:11 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
LizW_Makeup
Posts: 1,621
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I enjoy Facebook for what it is, and keep my business page up to date... but I would never send potential clients to Facebook. They are pointed to my website.
Jan 11 13 10:38 am  Link  Quote 
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KA Style
Posts: 1,583
Syracuse, New York, US


FacesByNiki wrote:
Oh and as far as drama, I don't have any of that. lol  What is there to have drama about on Facebook? lol

It happens trust me. lol Im a person that avoids it and minds my business and I had drama from people jealous of my work/petty models. Im also a person that wears big girl pants.

Photographers were trying to poach and photographers stalked my clients.. I had to go and untag any client photo because other photographers were harassing them to shoot. One in particular I had to beg to post a photo, she looked amazing but her hubby was not keen posting photos she took in private for her him. We chatted and they both allowed it but then I had to delete her picture because she was getting too many messages on fb to shoot.. she wasnt a model just a pretty client.

I had several ladies post on my wall saying hey I want to book a shoot(or something of the like) and the stalking photographers would message them with their rates lower than mine and try to get them to book with them. I would never do that to a fellow photographer.. They all booked with me because they came to me for my work not what my price was.

Also other models would comment mean things on pictures of models I shot because They hated them. Or message me saying that girl is yada yada and will ruin your business.. Or share one of my pictures I took of hated model and proceeded to bash her on their own page that was private.

Sure I blew this stuff off and handled it in a mature fashion because I wear my big girl pants and Im a tell like it is biatch but it still happened. My biggest reason to leave FB is the stock market and their greed.



Also the point the OP was making was not to bash FB users or FB itself, or if its good to network.. but to say if you are applying for a Professional gig you send a Professional site not social media.. Period.

Jan 11 13 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Sand Angel Photography
Posts: 569
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Some of you won't use Facebook but you'll stick to a modeling website whose features and design has barely changed in seven years?

I also use Facebook, Twitter, SmugMug, Tumblr, Flickr, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Photobucket, and at least four Wordpress sites on my own web hosting server.

Each one has its pros and cons.
Jan 11 13 11:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
mac13photography
Posts: 28
New York, New York, US


James Ogilvie wrote:
I think the point being glossed over here is that we're already ON a website where the work is meant to be hosted. 

Common courtesy should suggest that if you plan to apply for a casting and present samples of your work, it should be fairly easy for the person you're trying to impress to view that work.

Providing a link to another site that your intended viewer may or may not be able to get to is stupid. The burden is on the person applying to the casting to make this a simple, easy prospect.  The simplest and easiest way to show someone your work when you're applying to a casting here is to host it here.

Don't want to pay for more photos? Fine, do a great job of picking your best work and showing it here on a free account.  Or get creative and have more than one account here.

This times a million.  First off some people keep their profiles private (yes this would be dumb as an aspiring model, but happens).   Granted the OP's question was if he was the only asking if he was the ONLY one not on FB (obv) not.  That said the mke important issue is that this was the OP's casting call. No one applying to it should have to make him go seek out other websites.

Jan 11 13 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lisa Berczel
Posts: 3,991
Corona, California, US


I work with a photographer who routinely uses FB to screen models. The logic is that non-photo shoot pics with friends posted on a social network site can be a more accurate representation of a model's body.

That being said, network where your business is.

Those that get work from FB - look at their portfolio and see what their market is. It may be very different from yours.....

Industries constantly evolve (sometimes not for the better). But there is real logic behind emulating the peers you aspire to and THEN dabbling in the newfangled stuff.
Jan 11 13 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sichenze Photography
Posts: 276
Front Royal, Virginia, US


Wow, it is a tool just like my Smugmug and my old Website which I just took down to totally recreate from the beginning.  I will say I get more business from FB than from MM or many other sites. If you shoot seniors then you will post it and the other kids want their pictures to look like that and so on. It is only a tool and should not be dismissed but figure where it falls in your marketing. I will say after viewing a few peoples FB pages and following them for a while I decided not to work with them. SO it works both ways.
Jan 11 13 02:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Starr Nicole MUA
Posts: 27
Dallas, Texas, US


By not using facebook you're loosing out on a LOT of jobs and great work at that. I've connected with tons of highly professional models, photographer and clients thru facebook. Social Media is needed in todays industry. So don't knock it til you try it.
Jan 11 13 03:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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PhotoPower
Posts: 1,365
Elmsdale, Nova Scotia, Canada


I don't want to locate in an outrageously busy shopping mall, and I don't want to be on FaceBook, I just want to ... be alone off in a corner all by myself and not make any money. I'm an artist and I don't want to sell out to the crass masses. Publicity will only lead to profitability which is profane. Alone, without human interaction of any sort, I will master my craft. Now, everybody just leave me alone. I'm a genius. None of you understand, be gone. Talk to me not of marketing and networking. I would say more but I have to rush to the annual meeting of the Flat Earth Society.
Jan 11 13 04:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sal W Hanna Designs
Posts: 581
Huntington Beach, California, US


Facebook has some great networking groups. Check out http://www.facebook.com/groups/362192827145916/ (Make Up Enthusiasts)
Jan 11 13 04:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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rick lesser
Posts: 705
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Well,  I stand corrected.  My non interest in Facebook came back to bit me this morning.  My good friend Virginia and I were working on our upcoming shoot.   I had narrowed down the choices for an assistant and what does she do, hits their link to facebook!  Just like that.  She said she can tell in seconds about your personality and background by scanning your facebook book page.  We decided to hire someone because we were able to see this girls behind the scenes untouched photo's.  I have also heard that some prospective employers are now asking for an applicant's password to check out your fb page.  This alone could be another topic  altogether!  So, I am sorry!!!  (Still don't want to join)  R-
Jan 11 13 04:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,670
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Good Egg Productions wrote:
Yes.

Why WOULD you want a presence on the largest social networking site on the planet.
Stay strong. Buck the system. Screw what everyone else is doing and an easy way to communicate.




Business is changing.  Change with it, or die.



Then again, if you're doing a bang up job without facebook, then who cares.

The key words are in bold..

Would you send your work resume to a perspective employer via a facebook link?

~ MR

Jan 11 13 04:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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KA Style
Posts: 1,583
Syracuse, New York, US


rick lesser wrote:
I have also heard that some prospective employers are now asking for an applicant's password to check out your fb page.

They are trying to make that illegal. Its BS.

Jan 11 13 05:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
PerfectionxQueenie
Posts: 90
Sacramento, California, US


I'm not on facebook either. Although there's a profile up there floating around that my friend made of me because they insisted that facebook is "in"
Jan 11 13 07:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Hair Stylist
Platform Artist
Posts: 157
Chicago, Illinois, US


i use facebook a little but i love MM!! smile
Jan 11 13 08:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Miz Lulu Photo
Posts: 128
Nelson, British Columbia, Canada


I have a Facebook strictly for my digital media business. I had Facebook before with just people I knew on it however I couldn't handle it and deleted it for half a year the graduated from digital media course from college and needed a way to connect with photographer and models and how found it very useful smile

However I'm building a website for future job applications.
Jan 11 13 09:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Tara Pagliara MUA
Posts: 702
New York, New York, US


I have both, but I never send people to my facebook page to view my work or my MM page for that matter. My facebook page is a great tool however for getting my name out there to people who would most likely never come into contact me or know who I am. I dont find anything cheesy about getting my name out there more and building  a fan base.
Jan 12 13 02:24 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Tara Pagliara MUA
Posts: 702
New York, New York, US


FacesByNiki wrote:
I have a personal Facebook page and a business page.

I love Facebook for my business. When I update it, and share the link from my personal page, more and more people see it, and then they share it. Is all my work on there, no, not at the moment. Most is on my website, but it gives them an idea of what I can do.

It's very good for bridal work. Most brides are on line right now, looking for things and vendors for their wedding. Why not, give them more access to you?

Oh and as far as drama, I don't have any of that. lol  What is there to have drama about on Facebook? lol

Awesome for bridal, I have one for my bridal and my personal work. Quite a few jobs from Facebook for both sides.

Jan 12 13 02:26 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
MakeUp By CC
Posts: 303
Beverly Hills, California, US


I have a page for makeup "fan page" or what they call it..and a personal one. I do not like to mix the two smile
Jan 12 13 03:38 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
boy does makeup
Posts: 227
Atlanta, Georgia, US


HAHAHHAHAHHAHA

Seriously? I've been on MM for close to 4 years now, I started as a model, then moved into photography, and most recently a MUA (that's 3 profiles here) and the only reason I come back lately is because I randomly get shoot offers from my photography profile (which I don't even use anymore) Model Mayhem has become almost useless... sure, I have some 'friends' in the industry that still come here and the boards are good places for info... but honestly, the only work for MUA on model mayhem is all test offers from photographers and TF* from models...

at first... I just thought it was me, but then  my wife (photographer) talked me into making a Facebook Page for my MUA only, what do you know... I'm getting booked paid work regularly. Sure, many of the people I work with ARE on Model Mayhem, but they don't talk about it much - that's not to say that Facebook is better, or that I hate model mayhem. (I actually DEFEND this site when it gets verbally trashed by others on set/location)

my point is this... I think it's a little bit ridiculous for MODEL MAYHEM  to be calling Facebook UNPROFESSIONAL, and saying it's unprofessional to link someone to their Facebook page for examples of their work. - the vast majority of everyone has a facebook, where very few have a model mayhem account. (most of my credits say 'not on MM' and I haven't even updated because my last dozen or so shoots have been non MM models) 

juss one of those 'pot calling the kettle black' and yeah... there are some clients I wouldn't link to my Facebook, I wouldn't link them my Model Mayhem either... I bring my book.

-Jarret/Boy Does Makeup
Jan 12 13 06:43 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
boy does makeup
Posts: 227
Atlanta, Georgia, US


PhotoPower wrote:
I don't want to locate in an outrageously busy shopping mall, and I don't want to be on FaceBook, I just want to ... be alone off in a corner all by myself and not make any money. I'm an artist and I don't want to sell out to the crass masses. Publicity will only lead to profitability which is profane. Alone, without human interaction of any sort, I will master my craft. Now, everybody just leave me alone. I'm a genius. None of you understand, be gone. Talk to me not of marketing and networking. I would say more but I have to rush to the annual meeting of the Flat Earth Society.

+1

Jan 12 13 06:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J Welborn
Posts: 2,552
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Facebook is a fad that will go away -----sooner the better
Jan 12 13 06:51 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
CMaquillage
Posts: 487
New York, New York, US


I did not read all of the posts ...It is NOT ok to send someone to your Facebook to view your work. when did this become ok?

IT is not the standard, and you will not be taken seriously. period.

I am speaking from a Pro Makeup artist point of view. If you don't have a website yet email pictures ...or create a free web site ..on something like Dripbook. until you get enough good images to create a website.
Jan 12 13 10:07 am  Link  Quote 
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