DG at studio47 wrote:
question for posters in this thread, not the OP:

so do we add FB to the list of adversarial topics here in the forums?
escorts, canon V Nikon, flakes, creepy photographers, art vs porn, TFP vs paid shoots, and the infinite remainder?

ever heard of live and let live?

so you hate FB? I'm sure you are hooked into something that the rest of us hate.

do what works for you.

Yes, I have a FB profile. its linked from my MM profile. If anyone wants to know more about me, FB is a fairly "ok" place to find out? while you are there, check any of the 24 albums I have there? check more references on me? or.........not.

I think you are confused - there is NO TOPIC on MM that is NOT adversarial.  Someone will always come along and disagree.

I don't care if someone has Facebook or not, if they make money from it or not.  All the best.  But that does not mean I need to use it the way everyone else does.  I am sure Nikons are fine cameras, I have a Canon.  I can only afford ONE system so I had to choose.  Depending on your business llama it may not make sense to maintain more than two or three properties on the Internet.  MM, Wordpress Blog and Flickr account may be all some people have the time for.

Besides, the OP asked for opinions on whether he should have been directed to Facebook - and like every other thread he got his opinions - now it is up to him to weigh those opinions and make a (semi) informed decision.

Just my $0.02

rick lesser wrote:
Am I the only one not on Facebook?  I have a casting going on at the moment and some of you are sending me to facebook to see your work.  Does everyone assume that we are all on facebook and is it professional to send someone there for business?  Since I have no account (and no interest in opening one) you have lost any chance of me hiring you.   R-

I was a very very latecomer to FB. I had no choice, nor is there any competition.
Is work being done via FB?

A lot. Knowing how to use it for most is a mystery. I have been trying my best to understand, watching webinars, tutorials on capturing it's power.

All of the MU/hair people I work with are on FB, including some of their agencies.
MM for me is now just a fun site to post things to and an extension of a TF network.

As much as I don't like FB, I have to admit that it is a way of life for most. Only the truly people with so much demand they will never need promotion can escape it.

rick lesser wrote:
Am I the only one not on Facebook?  I have a casting going on at the moment and some of you are sending me to facebook to see your work.  Does everyone assume that we are all on facebook and is it professional to send someone there for business?  Since I have no account (and no interest in opening one) you have lost any chance of me hiring you.   R-

I am on Facebook (profesionally, very little personal stuff), because, let's face it, everyone is there and it's a great tool for communication. At least I find it to be.

But I find it very unprofessional if people can't be bothered to keep a portfolio viewable by any and everyone. If I ask for portfolio and people send me a link to (secured) Facebook, where you can't see a photo, I'm always wondering whether that person is pranking me, meaning it for real, or just not interested in the project I'm offering.

Pistol Foto wrote:
Just remember as per Facebook terms of usage......



"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."


If you post photos there, you are granting a release for Facebook to use them.

Of course you are. How else are they going to show them to people who visit your page? MM and every other photosharing sites have the same type of language.

FacesByNiki wrote:
Oh and as far as drama, I don't have any of that. lol  What is there to have drama about on Facebook? lol

It happens trust me. lol Im a person that avoids it and minds my business and I had drama from people jealous of my work/petty models. Im also a person that wears big girl pants.

Photographers were trying to poach and photographers stalked my clients.. I had to go and untag any client photo because other photographers were harassing them to shoot. One in particular I had to beg to post a photo, she looked amazing but her hubby was not keen posting photos she took in private for her him. We chatted and they both allowed it but then I had to delete her picture because she was getting too many messages on fb to shoot.. she wasnt a model just a pretty client.

I had several ladies post on my wall saying hey I want to book a shoot(or something of the like) and the stalking photographers would message them with their rates lower than mine and try to get them to book with them. I would never do that to a fellow photographer.. They all booked with me because they came to me for my work not what my price was.

Also other models would comment mean things on pictures of models I shot because They hated them. Or message me saying that girl is yada yada and will ruin your business.. Or share one of my pictures I took of hated model and proceeded to bash her on their own page that was private.

Sure I blew this stuff off and handled it in a mature fashion because I wear my big girl pants and Im a tell like it is biatch but it still happened. My biggest reason to leave FB is the stock market and their greed.



Also the point the OP was making was not to bash FB users or FB itself, or if its good to network.. but to say if you are applying for a Professional gig you send a Professional site not social media.. Period.

James Ogilvie wrote:
I think the point being glossed over here is that we're already ON a website where the work is meant to be hosted. 

Common courtesy should suggest that if you plan to apply for a casting and present samples of your work, it should be fairly easy for the person you're trying to impress to view that work.

Providing a link to another site that your intended viewer may or may not be able to get to is stupid. The burden is on the person applying to the casting to make this a simple, easy prospect.  The simplest and easiest way to show someone your work when you're applying to a casting here is to host it here.

Don't want to pay for more photos? Fine, do a great job of picking your best work and showing it here on a free account.  Or get creative and have more than one account here.

This times a million.  First off some people keep their profiles private (yes this would be dumb as an aspiring model, but happens).   Granted the OP's question was if he was the only asking if he was the ONLY one not on FB (obv) not.  That said the mke important issue is that this was the OP's casting call. No one applying to it should have to make him go seek out other websites.

Good Egg Productions wrote:
Yes.

Why WOULD you want a presence on the largest social networking site on the planet.
Stay strong. Buck the system. Screw what everyone else is doing and an easy way to communicate.




Business is changing.  Change with it, or die.



Then again, if you're doing a bang up job without facebook, then who cares.

The key words are in bold..

Would you send your work resume to a perspective employer via a facebook link?

~ MR

rick lesser wrote:
I have also heard that some prospective employers are now asking for an applicant's password to check out your fb page.

They are trying to make that illegal. Its BS.

FacesByNiki wrote:
I have a personal Facebook page and a business page.

I love Facebook for my business. When I update it, and share the link from my personal page, more and more people see it, and then they share it. Is all my work on there, no, not at the moment. Most is on my website, but it gives them an idea of what I can do.

It's very good for bridal work. Most brides are on line right now, looking for things and vendors for their wedding. Why not, give them more access to you?

Oh and as far as drama, I don't have any of that. lol  What is there to have drama about on Facebook? lol

Awesome for bridal, I have one for my bridal and my personal work. Quite a few jobs from Facebook for both sides.

PhotoPower wrote:
I don't want to locate in an outrageously busy shopping mall, and I don't want to be on FaceBook, I just want to ... be alone off in a corner all by myself and not make any money. I'm an artist and I don't want to sell out to the crass masses. Publicity will only lead to profitability which is profane. Alone, without human interaction of any sort, I will master my craft. Now, everybody just leave me alone. I'm a genius. None of you understand, be gone. Talk to me not of marketing and networking. I would say more but I have to rush to the annual meeting of the Flat Earth Society.

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