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Stephen J Moss
Posts: 28
New Windsor, New York, US


What are the pros/cons of each? I need go get new software because I bought a Mac.

Which do most of you guys use?
Jan 19 13 03:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


I went all out and get  PS CS6. I've used all the other versions and I can't be more pleased with Photoshop CS6 with today's big files, and new technologies/techniques.

I don't need lightroom.
Jan 19 13 03:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Blue Cube Imaging
Posts: 10,922
Ashland, Oregon, US


I just got a special on the Adobe Cloud Suite, there entire Adobe collection for $29.90 per month for a year.

I needed to upgrade PS and add Illustrator and InDesign so it was way cheaper than buying the entire suite.
Jan 19 13 03:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael DBA Expressions
Posts: 3,087
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Elements:Lightroom::Ford F150:Ferarri
Jan 19 13 03:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,080
Salem, Oregon, US


you already should have iPhoto. also check out Aperture for $79 in the app store.

we use aperture and photoshop (from adobe's cloud subscription which i think also includes lightroom) mostly although sometimes i do use iPhoto and lightroom. can't have too many tools.

lots of options. you have to find a workflow that makes sense for you. elements incorporates a bit of both photoshop and lightroom (conceptually at least).

aperture has a new "skin tone" WB feature which is really handy.

iPhoto, lightroom, aperture don't have much in the way of retouching capability (i find aperture has the best for that of the 3 which is partly why we use it).

also even google picassa has some good features for free.
Jan 19 13 04:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,482
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


its not an either or thing. Lightroom doesnt come with layers (altho I think someone has an add on for it?).  PSE sucks for batches.  a side by side comparison will give you a long list of functions that one has and the other doesnt.  Ideally you would use both.  or get something inexpensive to replace the missing functionality.
do you do a lot of "ok these all need to be a bit brighter" or do you do a lot of dodge and burn to fix stuff?

Someone mentioned picasa. its  got great instagram style filters (had em before instagram) but theres no select tool. you cant apply blur or sharpening or anything on a portion of the image.  wanna get some sparkle in the model's eyes? well get some on their knees as well.  its a brute force tool (I use it every day but I avoid its limitations).
Jan 19 13 04:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,080
Salem, Oregon, US


i thought onone did but now i can't find it.

also, for the OP photoshop (the big version) comes with Bridge which can do some lightroom-type things.

i use batch processing all the time.

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
Lightroom doesnt come with layers (altho I think someone has an add on for it?).

Jan 19 13 05:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


They're not really competing products, more complimentary.

LR4 is sufficient for most simple 'fixing' stuff and is great at RAW conversions. PSE is useful for pixel level retouching and a few things LR can't do like liquify etc., although if you're trying to save pennies, GIMP is free and has a liquify tool too.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Jan 19 13 06:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,482
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
They're not really competing products, more complimentary.

LR4 is sufficient for most simple 'fixing' stuff and is great at RAW conversions. PSE is useful for pixel level retouching and a few things LR can't do like liquify etc., although if you're trying to save pennies, GIMP is free and has a liquify tool too.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

PSE is on sale so often,  its worth buying over having a free GIMP.  GIMP still has the best light source but everything else it has been surpassed.

Jan 19 13 06:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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SayCheeZ!
Posts: 17,492
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
They're not really competing products, more complimentary.

^^^
my thoughts exactly 

I use both products regularly, except my Elements is version 8.  I plan on upgrading to 12 in a few weeks when it comes out.

I also have full versions of photoshop, but don't find much of a need for using 'em.

Jan 19 13 08:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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SayCheeZ!
Posts: 17,492
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
PSE is on sale so often,  its worth buying over having a free GIMP.  GIMP still has the best light source but everything else it has been surpassed.

PSE is also included in a bundle with certain hardware items, so it's very possible to get it along with a drawing tablet for around the same price as just purchasing the PSE software alone.

Jan 19 13 08:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stephen J Moss
Posts: 28
New Windsor, New York, US


Thank you everyone for your input, this has been helpful.
Jan 19 13 09:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Yingwah Productions
Posts: 1,334
New York, New York, US


Michael DBA Expressions wrote:
Elements:Lightroom::Ford F150:Ferarri

This analogy doesn't make much sense. Lightroom is better suited at dealing with a large number of images, making global changes, batching and cataloging.
If anything lightroom is the F150 because it hauls alot of images easily.

In terms of editing/retouching both are around similar level in capability.

Elements is more like a midsize sedan, generally suited for most needs

Jan 19 13 09:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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KA Style
Posts: 1,549
Syracuse, New York, US


Blue Cube Imaging wrote:
I just got a special on the Adobe Cloud Suite, there entire Adobe collection for $29.90 per month for a year.

I needed to upgrade PS and add Illustrator and InDesign so it was way cheaper than buying the entire suite.

Thats what I use. Love having everything and always up to date!

I use mostly Lightroom. 95% of my work is straight from LR. PS for some skin/cloning work and story boards.

I like to play with Illustrator and Dreamweaver.

Jan 19 13 11:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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R_Marquez
Posts: 4,596
San Francisco, California, US


If Elements includes Adobe Bridge, that'll take care of some of the functions of LR. LR is great, and I use it a lot, but it can't do many of the things PS can do because it's not supposed to.
Jan 20 13 12:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Foto Priganica
Posts: 50
Gandia, Valencia, Spain


I only use LR, even the skin retouching with the portraiture plugin ... rarely use PS5, but that's just how I work and I agree that elements complement LR rather than compete with it.
Jan 20 13 01:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,425
Paris, Île-de-France, France


I'd start with LR.
I only use PS now for paint style editing which means masking areas out from multi layered LR files of the same image, or essentially removing blemishes.

Elements can do all of this too.


LR is the essential app for me, many of my pix are never opened in Photoshop as I already gave them their look in LR.

You can do some very minor pimple removal in LR, but it is clunky, and not efficient.
Jan 20 13 01:04 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael DBA Expressions
Posts: 3,087
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Michael DBA Expressions wrote:
Elements:Lightroom::Ford F150:Ferarri
Yingwah Productions wrote:
This analogy doesn't make much sense. Lightroom is better suited at dealing with a large number of images, making global changes, batching and cataloging.
If anything lightroom is the F150 because it hauls alot of images easily.

In terms of editing/retouching both are around similar level in capability.

Elements is more like a midsize sedan, generally suited for most needs

Don't overthink it.

Jan 21 13 01:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
925 image
Posts: 272
Martinez, California, US


i use LR 99% of the time.
Jan 21 13 01:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,080
Salem, Oregon, US


this is why we use aperture. the aperture retouch/clone brush is pretty good. we can usually do an entire wedding without going into photoshop except maybe for eye/head swaps on formals and special effects.

Neil Snape wrote:
You can do some very minor pimple removal in LR, but it is clunky, and not efficient.

Jan 21 13 01:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,610
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Stephen J Moss wrote:
What are the pros/cons of each? I need go get new software because I bought a Mac.

Which do most of you guys use?

You can find the answer to this right on Adobe's website...they list the differences and the forums bolster that. Do a little Google search...

Jan 21 13 01:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Adam Photog
Posts: 34
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


I'll make it easy for you.  Buy LR4 and forget about Elements.

Before I got LR, I used The GiMP (Open Source software that is really killer) and really like the flexibility.  But with LR, I can do much more and do it more quickly.  Elements would be about 3 steps back, if you got it first, you'd 'grow' into LR4 pretty quickly and then wonder why you bothered with Elements in the first place.

True, no layers in LR4, but there are some alternatives that give you layers for free.  And the few times that I actually DO need to break something into layers, it works just fine.
Jan 21 13 08:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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David Nelson Photograph
Posts: 339
Eau Claire, Wisconsin, US


For an efficient workflow, Lightroom 4 (on a PC) is the only way to go, unlike PS6 it is non-destructive.  Additionally, Lightroom is simply impossible to beat for organizing your photos into files and stacks that are easy to use, access, create galleries and web albums, etc.  Personally, I frequently create a virtual copy, so I can edit the same photos different ways and see the images side by side.

If you need Layers, OnOne Perfect Photo Suite 7 does all that and more.  It makes little sense to me to spend a wad on a camera and lenses and then go cheap on editing software.
Personally, my editing software consists of
Lightroom 4, PS6, Topaz Adjust and DeNoise, OnOne Perfect Photo Suite 7 and Nik Silver FX Pro 2
Jan 21 13 08:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


I use Lightroom4 for sorting, archival cataloging, and image organization, and Elements 11/AdobeCameraRaw for editing.

If I had to choose just one or the other I'd just choose Elements 11 because in addition to the Elements Editor it does have the good Elements Organizer built in as well...all for about $60 at Costco.

But, many folks swear by the Lightroom Editor (called Developer) as being all the editor that they need. I don't care for it, but to each his own.

As far as Lightroom's "non-destructive" editing...I can get pretty much the same thing in Elements by just creating a duplicate layer of the "original image"...and shutting the layer off...so I have an exact "untouched original" saved as a separate layer if that's what I need.
Jan 21 13 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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