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Andialu
Posts: 14029
San Pedro, California, US
Carl Roberts wrote:
Jebbia is making friends left and right here lately He's constantly making the case that this world is nothing more than fuck or be fucked and he wants to be a fucker. By doing so he can rationalize his bad behavior.
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EdwardKristopher
Posts: 3409
Tempe, Arizona, US
I think that it's interesting that Jebbia comes in, spends a few lines, leaves, and everyone is still speaking of him! :-)
He definitely knows how to thought provoke the thread doesn't he?!
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Russian Katarina
Posts: 1413
London, England, United Kingdom
EdwardKristopher wrote:
I think that it's interesting that Jebbia comes in, spends a few lines, leaves, and everyone is still speaking of him! :-)
He definitely knows how to thought provoke the thread doesn't he?! No one holds a candle to Mrs Andresen in that regard. 
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MKPhoto
Posts: 5665
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
There was a case in Montreal a few years ago where the ex had to pay $40,000 (by court order) for exactly that. But his revenge was quite openly in public and I don't think he was even trying to hide his identity.
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KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
When you take an unflattering photo-
You naked, drinking underage, doing something illegal, etc. -
You have done so knowing this is 2013 and we have the Internet. In 1974 nobody found those polaroids until you were dead. Now, when you take a cell phone snap and go "Oh hurr hurr here's muh boobies" or "Oh hurr hurr here's me smokin' weed" you do so KNOWING the possibility exists it will end up on the web, be it Facebook, sent through email, text, another website. This is a big deal currently with employers looking up current and potential employees.
Your really sweet new sexy hot stud boyfriend may not be so sweet down the road. That's the risk you take when you do it. Does that mean it's right? No. But it's the world we live in.
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
EdwardKristopher wrote:
I think that it's interesting that Jebbia comes in, spends a few lines, leaves, and everyone is still speaking of him! :-)
He definitely knows how to thought provoke the thread doesn't he?! FWIW, he just didn't leave. He's in the cooler for 4 days.
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Vector 38
Posts: 8296
Austin, Texas, US
EdwardKristopher wrote:
interesting that Jebbia comes in, spends a few lines, leaves, and everyone is still speaking of him! check the brig log
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Kyle T Edwards
Posts: 437
St Catharines, Ontario, Canada
studio36uk wrote:
Girl takes picture of herself in the mirror with her cell phone and sends it to the guy... who owns the copyright?
It's never as clear cut you you make it out to be.
Studio36 Worse yet. Girl takes naked picture of herself in the mirror with her cell phone when she's seventeen and sends it to the guy. Two years later, couple break up and, as way of getting even, guy posts picture to site. Possessing that photo may have been legal for him under Romeo & Juliet laws (depending where he was), but the minute he sent it out into the world, he lost all protection. If that girl sees the picture on the site and remembers that she was underage when it was taken, he now has much bigger things to worry about than who owns the copyright on that photo. As so does the site that is publishing it.
After all, how many teens are sending their guys pictures like this? A lot more than most of us are comfortable knowing, that's for sure.
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37photog
Posts: 710
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
I dunno, is the site legally or technically doing much different than Facebook or Youtube?? Do all photos on FB & Youtube vids have proper release forms signed and clearances/permission given?! Don't think so.
I'm just saying, that the only difference between the two is that the porn sites contain (probably) nude and sexual content, as opposed to more mainstream social media. Just saying if the law sets the precedent that posting unpermitted material it could impact alot of social media. Also, I don't really check these sites out but there might be a "Detag/Remove" feature avialable, similar to FB for the girls to use. Not saying that solves the problem, but that's how FB goes about it.
I've heard some of these sites are fake though too, (MyExGF), just full of amatuer porn stars. Similar to the audition/casting porn vids. Myb you know of legit ones though. Someone else made a good point though, probably offshore hosting, shell corporations. A lawsuit could force removal/shutdown, but possibly little in monetary reward if the company hides/diverts/blows their money well. Lawyers typically don't always work pro-bono;) Hence, not jumping at the chance to take a case such as this.
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EdwardKristopher
Posts: 3409
Tempe, Arizona, US
Vector 38 wrote:
check the brig log What is the Brig or the Cooler?
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Kyle T Edwards wrote:
After all, how many teens are sending their guys pictures like this? A lot more than most of us are comfortable knowing, that's for sure. Sometimes they're not even 17. Try 15, or 13, or even younger.
Studio36
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
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Andialu
Posts: 14029
San Pedro, California, US
EdwardKristopher wrote:
What is the Brig or the Cooler? You've been here since 2009, have over 1,000 posts and don't know what the brig is?
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2020 Photography
Posts: 440
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Crime or not.. he'll deal with the consequences short term. She'll deal with them forever. Point is.. if you don't want the world to see.. don't take it. I don't find myself often agreeing with John Jebbia here, I think he is a tool and more than a bit or a horse's arse but I have to say that I am with him 100% on this one. John, you are spot on in your responses.
A stupid or questionable action starts somewhere and many times it begins with highly questionable judgement but that person has to take responsibility for their actions. If this woman (or women) didn't want these photos seen they should have never shared them, period!
There is nothing wrong with a woman having nude photos of herself but if she chooses to share them then she needs to be prepared for any consequences if they may come along.
Wake up and grow up people sometimes bad things happen to good people but all of us need to take responsibility for our actions. Nuff said!
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Boho Hobo
Posts: 25351
Santa Barbara, California, US
It seems to me there are 4 groups of assholes involved in these sites:
1. the uploaders. these are psycho losers that want revenge on an ex or hackers just looking to cyberbully people.
2. the viewers people who like to cyberbully en mob
3. the website owners and employees and advertisers. assholes who are trying to make a profit off of misery and cowardice.
4. ISPs who apparently don't give a fuck about cyberbullying or harassment.
Did I miss a group?
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Boho Hobo
Posts: 25351
Santa Barbara, California, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Crime or not.. he'll deal with the consequences short term. She'll deal with them forever. Point is.. if you don't want the world to see.. don't take it. 2020 Photography wrote:
I don't find myself often agreeing with John Jebbia here, I think he is a tool and more than a bit or a horse's arse but I have to say that I am with him 100% on this one. John, you are spot on in your responses.
A stupid or questionable action starts somewhere and many times it begins with highly questionable judgement but that person has to take responsibility for their actions. If this woman (or women) didn't want these photos seen they should have never shared them, period!
There is nothing wrong with a woman having nude photos of herself but if she chooses to share them then she needs to be prepared for any consequences if they may come along.
Wake up and grow up people sometimes bad things happen to good people but all of us need to take responsibility for our actions. Nuff said! How are photographers so calloused and judgmental about photos?
How do you guys expect women to come to you to take care of their photos when a POV being expressed is that women are suspect if those nice photos you take of them are shared with anyone else in the world!!!!
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2020 Photography
Posts: 440
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Patchouli Nyx wrote:
" How are photographers so calloused and judgmental about photos?
How do you guys expect women to come to you to take care of their photos when a POV being expressed is that women are suspect if those nice photos you take of them are shared with anyone else in the world!!!!" You either just don't get it or you did not read the entire post by the OP AND the link to the newspaper article.
What has happened to these women is horrible and humiliating but they have to bear some if not all of the responsibility for the mess they are now in. If they didn't want to have their private nude photos posted to the internet then they should never have share those with anyone let alone emailing them to someone they met on the internet and barely knew.
The way I read the article these women were not models so there was at least a minimal expectation of privacy or at least that the dirt bags they were dating would do the right thing and not humiliate them publicly which obviously didn't happen. I don't see that these women did anything wrote by having the photos taken and having them in their possession. Where these women messed up was in using very bad judgement and giving the photos to someone other than themselves. I photograph many women who tell me flat out that they will not do nudes or other suggestive modeling because they are mothers or have jobs/careers that might be jeapordized if the photos ever got out and I have a high amount of respect for these women who have the intelligence to think a situation of this sort through instead of just blindly jumping in without any regard for the potential consequences.
Having said that I absolutely abhor the fact that there are sad, small minded people out there who will jump at the chance to crucify and attempt to ruin a woman who has done something like this even though no harm was done. There is a case going through the courts now in which a Teacher has been suspended and is fighting to get her job back after some punk kids found nude photos of her on the internet that had been taken 20 years ago and showed them to the Principal in retaliation for getting a bad grade. This is horrible and I am sure this Teacher could have never imagined that this would come back to haunt her 20 years later but it did and now because of a couple of punks who are out for revenge she is in a mess. Personally, I hope she gets her job back and the punks are permanently expelled.
I do very little nude, fetish, or erotic photography and when I do I explain to the models I work with that their photos are considered by me to be private and I will not release or post them without consulting them first. The model is of course free to do whatever they want with the photos but I respect and safeguard their privacy and reputations. I do use the photos to promote my photography but when I do it is one to one with a potential model and the photos are secure on my laptop or tablet and I would NEVER dream of emailing samples to a model who just asks for the sake of curiousity.
That scenario written up in the article had disaster written all over it. Hopefully this helps to explain the situation to you but it you still don't get it feel free to PM me.
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Damianne
Posts: 15978
Austin, Texas, US
studio36uk wrote:
facilitation; conspiracy; vicarious infringement; and so forth. Take your pick. Hell, you might even get a RICO in there.
A good lawyer will be able to make out a good case.
Studio36 There's a long history of websites not being held accountable for what the users do on it, with the exception of sites being used to pirate materials.
It could honestly go either way.
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
John Jebbia wrote:
One entity has all the gold. Another wants it. Still others just complain about the ones who have it. Meanwhile the ones who have it did the work to get it. And the ones who don't think they're entitled to it. Yeah this is a baseless, simplistic and unintelligent idea bandied about by those with no true understanding of how things actually work.
Not everyone who "Has all the gold" did the work to get it. A lot of people like that in the case discussed here did uncouth things to get it through means of hook or crook.(scamming or stealing for those who don't know that term)
So you think Bernie Madoff and his sons, worked hard for those billions? No they stole them. Just like Enron, Tyco, Adelfia(sp?) etc etc
What about all the spoiled trust fund kids like Paris Hillton or the Kardashins. They didn't work to earn that money they inherited it from their parents and used it to make fools of themselves.
Or what about the Career Congressmen who sell their votes to lobbyist groups for money and favors?
Now in this case. Yes SOME of the girls willing took the pictures, HOWEVER it was some other ASSHOLES choice to do the immature thing and post it on a website because in their petty mind they though it was the right thing to do.
"An eye for an eye leave the whole world blind."
You also don't address the models who photos were stolen or the upskirt/candid pics where the girls didn't know they were being photographed.
Nor did you take the time to think of the one that were photoshopped. There are naked photos of Emma Watson online that she did not take nor did she know about. So its her fault that some creepy gay stalker took photos of her and altered them to create pornographic images. Its not hard and any idiot with Microsoft Paint and a computer can do.
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Caperucita Roja
Posts: 11545
London, England, United Kingdom
*Snort* we made the website crash...
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Russian Katarina II
Posts: 2515
London, England, United Kingdom
Patchouli Nyx wrote:
John Jebbia wrote:
Crime or not.. he'll deal with the consequences short term. She'll deal with them forever. Point is.. if you don't want the world to see.. don't take it. How are photographers so calloused and judgmental about photos?
How do you guys expect women to come to you to take care of their photos when a POV being expressed is that women are suspect if those nice photos you take of them are shared with anyone else in the world!!!! It's the usual blame the victim routine that is still common among many men. We could enter a few of the recent rape threads as evidence here.
In both situations a woman's naiveté may or may not have played a part in the crime committed against her, but that doesn't take away one ounce of responsibility from the perpetrator, nor does it make the crime any less disgusting and worthy of punishment.
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DHayes Photography
Posts: 4962
Richmond, Virginia, US
Patchouli Nyx wrote:
How do you guys expect women to come to you to take care of their photos when a POV being expressed is that women are suspect if those nice photos you take of them are shared with anyone else in the world!!!! Model Mayhem is the happy hunting ground for Chinese and Russian photo sites. Do a few searches on the Yandex or Baidu search engines. Hell, I've even seen photos lifted from here for sale on Ebay as cheap inkjet prints going for only a couple bucks.
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Russian Katarina II
Posts: 2515
London, England, United Kingdom
DHayes Photography wrote:
Model Mayhem is the happy hunting ground for Chinese and Russian photo sites. Do a few searches on the Yandex or Baidu search engines. Hell, I've even seen photos lifted from here for sale on Ebay as cheap inkjet prints going for only a couple bucks. All your ports are belong to us.
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Brian Diaz
Posts: 65617
Danbury, Connecticut, US
California Penal Code §§ 653.2 (a) Every person who, with intent to place another person in
reasonable fear for his or her safety, or the safety of the other
person's immediate family, by means of an electronic communication
device, and without consent of the other person, and for the purpose
of imminently causing that other person unwanted physical contact,
injury, or harassment, by a third party, electronically distributes,
publishes, e-mails, hyperlinks, or makes available for downloading,
personal identifying information, including, but not limited to, a
digital image of another person, or an electronic message of a
harassing nature about another person, which would be likely to
incite or produce that unlawful action, is guilty of a misdemeanor
punishable by up to one year in a county jail, by a fine of not more
than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and
imprisonment. Many states have laws that address harassment, including cyber harassment. Most, in my opinion, are not sufficient to curb the sort of evil behavior these sites encourage.
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tel … -laws.aspx
I don't know of an applicable Texas law regarding this site specifically.
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Top Level Studio
Posts: 3254
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
DHayes Photography wrote:
Model Mayhem is the happy hunting ground for Chinese and Russian photo sites. Do a few searches on the Yandex or Baidu search engines. Hell, I've even seen photos lifted from here for sale on Ebay as cheap inkjet prints going for only a couple bucks. MM pictures were showing up on the 'fuck yeah bottomless girls' sites (there were several, each with slightly different themes), but those sites have disappeared.
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Kincaid Blackwood
Posts: 23492
Los Angeles, California, US
Patchouli Nyx wrote:
How is this shit legal? When people can specify the laws applied, the laws broken, by whom and the jurisdiction…
…well, dubious legality is still legal. I suspect that the owners of these sites have the loopholes to keep them beyond the reach of US law.
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Kincaid Blackwood
Posts: 23492
Los Angeles, California, US
John Jebbia wrote:
That's cause you're simple minded and don't get how human nature works. Or any other animal for that matter. There are the exploiters, and the exploited.
One entity has all the gold. Another wants it. Still others just complain about the ones who have it. Meanwhile the ones who have it did the work to get it. And the ones who don't think they're entitled to it.
How does this equate? Let me dumb it down. Some dumb bitch took a naked photo of herself. She sent it to the "love of her life". She found a guy who fucks her better and left the "love of her life". He found a guy who will pay him handsomely for these useless photos [to him].. Guy makes a website and millions. We blame him.
Meanwhile.. she should have never taken the photo.. (unless of course we're saying she shouldn't suffer the consequences of her actions) - Equality.. You speak as if you have a problem with women. Or life.
Or both…
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modeled
Posts: 9334
San Diego, California, US
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Erick Prince
Posts: 3457
Austin, Texas, US
2020 Photography wrote:
I don't find myself often agreeing with John Jebbia here, I think he is a tool and more than a bit or a horse's arse but I have to say that I am with him 100% on this one. John, you are spot on in your responses.
A stupid or questionable action starts somewhere and many times it begins with highly questionable judgement but that person has to take responsibility for their actions. If this woman (or women) didn't want these photos seen they should have never shared them, period!
There is nothing wrong with a woman having nude photos of herself but if she chooses to share them then she needs to be prepared for any consequences if they may come along.
Wake up and grow up people sometimes bad things happen to good people but all of us need to take responsibility for our actions. Nuff said! I have to agree with everything as well. SO many people are willing to apologize for others stupid choices. Sure what he did was toolish BUT she's equally stupid for taking the photos. This is 2013. This type of story isn't new at all. I believe John made a simple point but because of who he is and his execution some of you are all over him. Just because she got screwed over doesn't excuse her bad choice in the beginning. If this was your sister and you found out she sent some boy naked photos what would you say to her? I sure as hell wouldn't be giving her a thumbs up. If your grown enough to do stuff like this then your grown enough to deal with the consequences of your actions.
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jesse paulk
Posts: 3712
Phoenix, Arizona, US
No keep agreeing with it and alluding to women that do that sort of things are sluts and should be ashamed of their selves and deserve it and its their fault. Plz. Tell everyone here how women should behave.
And how we shouldnt blame the dude completely, because what else is he supposed to to, being a guy.
Plz keep posting.
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Damianne
Posts: 15978
Austin, Texas, US
jesse paulk wrote:
No keep agreeing with it and alluding to women that do that sort of things are sluts and should be ashamed of their selves and deserve it and its their fault. Plz. Tell everyone here how women should behave.
And how we shouldnt blame the dude completely, because what else is he supposed to to, being a guy.
Plz keep posting. He can't
Edit:
Oh you mean the other ones. Jesus.
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
modeled wrote:
![https://i.imgur.com/WBUGnM0.gif]() Ditto that
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Damianne
Posts: 15978
Austin, Texas, US
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
EdwardKristopher wrote:
I think that it's interesting that Jebbia comes in, spends a few lines, leaves, and everyone is still speaking of him! :-)
He definitely knows how to thought provoke the thread doesn't he?! Yes he does! 
I've met him. He's OK.
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jesse paulk
Posts: 3712
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Jerry Nemeth wrote:
Yes he does!
I've met him. He's OK. You people are idiots. Jebbia got brigged for his comments, and its not ok to have this very sexist view. So no jebbia is not ok. Ive met him, worked with him. And up until this part, his immaturity was tolerable and benign. But im pretty fucking disgusted at this point.
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modeled
Posts: 9334
San Diego, California, US
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In Balance Photography
Posts: 3378
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Here's the part that I don't get:
The images were shared in confidence. In intimate relationships, LOTS of things are shared in confidence. The expectation are things shared in confidence stay in confidence.
If a confidence is revealed by the second party to the public, are there any circumstances when it would not be the fault of the first party?
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Boho Hobo
Posts: 25351
Santa Barbara, California, US
2020 Photography wrote:
I don't find myself often agreeing with John Jebbia here, I think he is a tool and more than a bit or a horse's arse but I have to say that I am with him 100% on this one. John, you are spot on in your responses.
A stupid or questionable action starts somewhere and many times it begins with highly questionable judgement but that person has to take responsibility for their actions. If this woman (or women) didn't want these photos seen they should have never shared them, period!
There is nothing wrong with a woman having nude photos of herself but if she chooses to share them then she needs to be prepared for any consequences if they may come along.
Wake up and grow up people sometimes bad things happen to good people but all of us need to take responsibility for our actions. Nuff said! Erick Prince wrote:
I have to agree with everything as well. SO many people are willing to apologize for others stupid choices. Sure what he did was toolish BUT she's equally stupid for taking the photos. This is 2013. This type of story isn't new at all. I believe John made a simple point but because of who he is and his execution some of you are all over him. Just because she got screwed over doesn't excuse her bad choice in the beginning. If this was your sister and you found out she sent some boy naked photos what would you say to her? I sure as hell wouldn't be giving her a thumbs up. If your grown enough to do stuff like this then your grown enough to deal with the consequences of your actions. WTF is with you guys?
are any of you in intimate relations with women? ever be in one?
what is the woman supposed to share with you besides sex?
Intimacy involves more than just grinding nasty bits, hopefully it involves trust and sharing and somewhere in a relationship there might be love.
Fast forward to when a relationship has ended and all you guys can say about dudes who post this shit and companies trying to make fortunes off setting up women for cyber stalkers is to blame the woman???
Like I said, WTF!
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JessieLeigh
Posts: 2109
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Erick Prince wrote:
If this was your sister and you found out she sent some boy naked photos what would you say to her? I sure as hell wouldn't be giving her a thumbs up. If your grown enough to do stuff like this then your grown enough to deal with the consequences of your actions. I don't have a sister but most people I know that aren't complete assholes would be pissed off at the guy for sending the sexy photos of their sister to strangers. Most people I know that have sisters that are grown women understand that sending sexy photos is something a lot of adults do and it's not something to be judged for or vilified over.
If you are a grown man, you understand that a photo was meant for you and not your friends and strangers. Apparently a handful of the males in this thread are far from being grown... but they like to talk about what grown people do. Ironic!
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Alana Miles
Posts: 6459
Alma, Colorado, US
I like threads like this... it makes me realize who the real predators are on this site 
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