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Photographer
1472
Posts: 1,058
Pembroke Pines, Florida, US


Laugh it off literally
Jan 31 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,781
Atlanta, Georgia, US


We all know it happens all the time so I have to guess it works for someone.  I personally would not do it nor do I work with those who do.  In fact I am most likely going to simply block them and forget about it in 10 seconds...
Jan 31 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
E e v a
Posts: 1,724
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Hey so umm girl, the back of your head is RIDICULUSSSSS..


...so can I have your money? Can I have it?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqgar2HBUx1qzvtwm.gif
Jan 31 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Daeda1us
Posts: 1,067
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


Chain Reaction wrote:
I agree, but it happens all the time. I still get "I LOVE your stuff! I'd LOVE to model it! And I'll ONLY charge you $1500.00 an hour! And I get to keep everything I model!" Um... thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

BTW, YOU would look FANTASTIC in my chainmail! So how many did you want to order? tongue

Caitin   wrote:
Chainmail? Whats that? sounds scary!

I LOVE chainmaille!

Jan 31 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Daeda1us
Posts: 1,067
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


RKD Photographic wrote:
I don't think there's anything wrong in principle about cold-calling prospective customers - it's a valid sales technique - but you need to be upfront about it:

"Hi - I offer portfolio-building shoots tailored for all budgets and genres - see my website, contact me if interested, further details on request."

I like this approach.  To make it more successful, imo, you should tailor it ot the model a bit.  Takes more time, but should result in more sales.
Example:

"Hi - I offer portfolio-building shoots tailored for all budgets and genres -

Based on your size and shape, I think the following types of shots would enhance your portfolio: {include links to appropriate shots}
It is my opinion your best feature is *insert key feature* and I noticed it is not a key point in any of your pictures.  I could do something like this {link to appropriate shot}

If you are interested, please see my website and contact me, further details on request."

But that is just my opinion...

Daeda1us

Jan 31 13 11:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Model
Damianne
Posts: 15,975
Austin, Texas, US


You can't stop other people from doing things.
Just handle it gracefully and decline.
Jan 31 13 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 21,406
Portland, Oregon, US


Caitin   wrote:
What do you think?

I think that there is no rule that says that the person initiating the contact can't ask to get paid.  I get notes from traveling models all the time, asking me if I have interest in hiring them.

I also think that there is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone asking for the compensation he/she wants.  The other party can accept, decline, or make a counter offer.

Acting incredulous & butthurt when someone asks to get paid shows disrespect and is inappropriate.  Show more respect.  If you don't want to work with the guy, decline politely.

That's what I think.

Jan 31 13 11:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ME_
Posts: 3,144
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I agree that bait and switch is scummy but I don't think there's anything wrong with a service provider contacting potential clients and offering their services. Lots of other businesses do it; I don't see why photographers (or models or makeup artists or stylists) can't be the first to contact someone and provide their price lists in the message. Just delete it if it's not interesting.
Jan 31 13 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
Chain Reaction
Posts: 529
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Damianne wrote:
You can't stop other people from doing things.
Just handle it gracefully and decline.

That's why I usually just say thanks, I'll keep it in mind. I don't mind at all if someone wants to send me an offer. That's kinda what this site is for to some degree. It's just if you are going to do that say so right up front. Don't wait until it's set and then say, "Oh, by the way, here are my rates".

Jan 31 13 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ginger Rothestein
Posts: 191
Wilmington, North Carolina, US


Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)You are so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) You are mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

I just got one of those from a photographer with a shit portfolio....after 4 messages I finally just cut to the chase and gave him my rates since be wouldn't even specify what he wanted to shit....i mean shoot...and the he writes back with " I usually charge $150" me- " that's great but do you want to shoot or not? " him- "yes if you can afford me".   Me- "no thank-you"  him- "exactly. That's what I thought. Goodbye."

Really dude??????

As for the " I'm the MM portfolio Jesus and pay me so I can fix your terrible portfolio...."

Yes, all the time

Jan 31 13 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,681
Los Angeles, California, US


This has happened to me before. I politely explain to them that if I was looking to pay a photographer at the time its for my own ideas not their project and offer up my rates.

One replied back snarky, one accepted my quoted rates and we shot.
Jan 31 13 12:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
H A Z E
Posts: 82
London, England, United Kingdom


intense_puppy wrote:
Photographers get that all the time.
Standard stuff.

"Would love to shoot with you"
"Cool, let's do this then?"
"Sounds great! My rates are...."

I got this a few times.. makes me laugh..

Jan 31 13 01:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
FEN RIR Photo
Posts: 718
Westminster, Colorado, US


I get contacted by Nude and Traveling Nude models all the time, telling me that having them in my port will make my work so much better.  I don't really mind it, and I understand why they would do it.

But I do see your point about how he approached you almost bait and switch.
Jan 31 13 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Ginger Rothestein
Posts: 191
Wilmington, North Carolina, US


twoharts wrote:
models who want to get paid hit me up all the time. if someone only works for pay then they should say so in the first message.

AGREED!!!

Jan 31 13 01:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Oliv Oil
Posts: 13
Atherton, England, United Kingdom


It's so stupid. Do any models ever actually pay photographers on here?

In my opinion if you have to pay a photography, your not a model.
Feb 08 13 06:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,713
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Chain Reaction wrote:

Either spelling is acceptable.

Apparently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_%28armour%29

Feb 13 13 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
JJMiller
Posts: 561
Buffalo, New York, US


This may not belong here, but reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … IV23g-fE#!
Feb 13 13 03:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Oliv Oil wrote:
It's so stupid. Do any models ever actually pay photographers on here?

In my opinion if you have to pay a photography, your not a model.

...or an English Major.

Feb 13 13 03:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,869
Olivet, Michigan, US


Caitin   wrote:
What?? You contact me and want to charge me?????

Fairly standard for professional traveling models.  Aren't you one of those?

The only time I think it's "wrong" is when the person sending the message isn't up front about their intentions.

Feb 13 13 03:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
angel emily
Posts: 1,020
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Oliv Oil wrote:
It's so stupid. Do any llamas ever actually pay photographers on here?

In my opinion if you have to pay a photography, your not a llama.

I do, sometimes, for some things.

Guess I'm not a llama.  lol

Feb 13 13 04:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


Well i think its like if you were a song writer and had John Lennon write to you and tell you ok so it looks like i can work with you i will charge you so and so much amount of money to write a song for you and you write back and say to John Lennon and say who the F**k do you think  you are wanting to charge me how dare you. I would say How dare to you. Some times you have to look at it from both sides of the spectrem.
Feb 13 13 04:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
E e v a
Posts: 1,724
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Oliv Oil wrote:
It's so stupid. Do any models ever actually pay photographers on here?

In my opinion if you have to pay a photography, your not a model.

Not true. Sometimes paying to start out or get exact images you want for a port is a good thing honestly.

Feb 13 13 04:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,869
Olivet, Michigan, US


Oliv Oil wrote:
It's so stupid. Do any models ever actually pay photographers on here?

In my opinion if you have to pay a photography, your not a model.

Samantha Emme wrote:
Not true. Sometimes paying to start out or get exact images you want for a port is a good thing honestly.

Hey, you with the logic; that's not what's wanted here!

Oh, and you can pay me if you'd like.

Feb 13 13 04:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,222
Naperville, Illinois, US


Ginger Rothestein wrote:

I just got one of those from a photographer with a shit portfolio....after 4 messages I finally just cut to the chase and gave him my rates since be wouldn't even specify what he wanted to shit....i mean shoot...and the he writes back with " I usually charge $150" me- " that's great but do you want to shoot or not? " him- "yes if you can afford me".   Me- "no thank-you"  him- "exactly. That's what I thought. Goodbye."

Really dude??????

As for the " I'm the MM portfolio Jesus and pay me so I can fix your terrible portfolio...."

Yes, all the time

I like the way you put that! LOL

Feb 13 13 04:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,222
Naperville, Illinois, US


Art of the nude wrote:

Fairly standard for professional traveling models.  Aren't you one of those?

The only time I think it's "wrong" is when the person sending the message isn't up front about their intentions.

Yes I travel allot. Go on traveling tours. Next summer full time traveling. RV Nomad Model. I can't wait!
I am not sure if I would contact for paid work though. I probably will just tag a comment on the profile. Not like a advert or anything. That way I can look at the profile 1st.

Feb 13 13 04:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David M Russell
Posts: 1,130
New York, New York, US


That's happened a few times:

"You're work is really great. I'd absolutely love to do a shoot with you.

....here are my rates."




It is to laugh.

It's not that I mind a sales pitch. But it's the backwards pitch style that's annoying.
Feb 13 13 04:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,327
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Ignore. Move on. Fin. No drama.
Feb 13 13 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,327
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Oliv Oil wrote:
It's so stupid. Do any models ever actually pay photographers on here?

In my opinion if you have to pay a photography, your not a model.

How long have you been modeling, dear?

Feb 13 13 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,843
San Francisco, California, US


I know I am late to the party.  I have no problems with a photographer approaching a model and offering his services, i.e. asking to be paid.  I certainly get approached by models several times a week asking me to pay them.

My problem is that he asked you to pay him to do his project.  Ummm, that is, to me the issue.  If he wants to be paid, he should be offering to do what you want, not what he wants.
Feb 13 13 05:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Nicole L Grant wrote:
I've had a photographer hand me his rates AFTER we shot and told me if I wanted any back I had to pay that.

Shoot back with an invoice of your own.

Feb 13 13 05:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Moore Photo Graphix
Posts: 5,288
Washington, District of Columbia, US


P I X I E wrote:
Ignore. Move on. Fin. No drama.

+1

Feb 13 13 06:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Moore Photo Graphix
Posts: 5,288
Washington, District of Columbia, US


P I X I E wrote:
Ignore. Move on. Fin. No drama.

+1

Feb 13 13 06:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)You are so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) You are mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

Traveling models wouldn't be able to make a living if they didn't do that.

There's never anything wrong with asking, but the way that you go about it makes a difference.

Feb 13 13 06:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ecklipse
Posts: 86
Los Angeles, California, US


I read your post and I´m just going to charge you $50 dlls, you can pay me via PayPal
Feb 13 13 06:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
IDiivil
Posts: 4,079
Los Angeles, California, US


Contacting somebody wanting to charge them is fine... traveling models will cold call photographers all the time. It's how it's done that matters, IMO. Don't risk bait and switch tactics. If a person is writing someone to charge them, they should be very clear and very upfront about it.

Very short sample method of a good way:
Hi, I am XYZ available right now for paid work smile Would you like to hire me? My rates are XYZ. Thank you for your time!

Bad way:
Hi love your work let's collaborate

okay well you need to pay me XYZ btw I don't work for free

The photographer writing you for paid work is not bad, but the way they did it sucked. Their response after did not help. If I were them, I would have apologized for not being more clear about my intentions and for misleading you.
Feb 13 13 07:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Parsons
Posts: 972
Quincy, Massachusetts, US


Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)You are so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) You are mean don't ever contact me again!

Lifetouch sends advertising to me and they expect me to pay them.  How dare they!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

Feb 13 13 07:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Feb 13 13 07:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,183
New York, New York, US


Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

I get that a few times... the version I receive is usually following this pattern:

"OMG... I LOVE your work...!!!

I am going to be in NYC from ... to ... and I am booking shots.

I really would like to work with you, my hourly rates are $$ fully clothed... implied nudes are $$$ per hour and full frontal nudity is $$$$ and  I'll suck your long lens for you!

Okay... I've made the last one up... got to dream about a free bj from an "art model"... wink

I usually reply that this kind of offers are usually in bad taste on MM... where the model usually replies that she never had any complaints about that...

*shrugs shoulders*

EDIT: I left out that there are first a few conversations going on... and then when we organize a shoot (I am thinking that she didn't offer to pay me... and that I didn't ask for pay, that's a TF collaboration) and then pulls out the rate sheet... and the prices are so high that I could just get a NYC agency model...

There is nothing wrong with wanting to get paid... but be upfront!!!

Feb 13 13 07:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2,222
Naperville, Illinois, US


udor wrote:

I get that a few times... the version I receive is usually following this pattern:

"OMG... I LOVE your work...!!!

I am going to be in NYC from ... to ... and I am booking shots.

I really would like to work with you, my hourly rates are $$ fully clothed... implied nudes are $$$ per hour and full frontal nudity is $$$$ and  I'll suck your long lens for you!

Okay... I've made the last one up... got to dream about a free bj from an "art model"... wink

I usually reply that this kind of offers are usually in bad taste on MM... where the model usually replies that she never had any complaints about that...

*shrugs shoulders*

You must have a really nice lens! 70-200 2.8L makes my clothes fall off very fast! LOL smile

I would be guilty of contacting You! But I wouldn't be asking for pay. I would be extremely happy to be able to work with you! HHmmm I do have a few possibilities lined up in Jersey! Makes me think rental car! LOL

Allot of the answers here brought big smiles to my face! Everyone has been great on this thread! smile
It is annoying to get a bunch of mail to sift through to find the real offers! I especially don't like the one that says You need me for your port. Your photographers in the past did you wrong, they are bad...bla bla bla....lol

Feb 13 13 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,680
Dearborn, Michigan, US


big_smile
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