Looknsee Photography wrote:
So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

Why have no bankers seen jail time?

cy be rea n wrote:

exiled to MM soapbox for a month

Damn. That would be harsh for anyone - except maybe pedophiles. lol

The Space Cowboy wrote:
Why have no bankers seen jail time?

My nephew is an uber-liberal political activist.  He made this argument about how the government forced Jason Schwarz to commit suicide (Schwartz was facing charges of violating a massive number of copyrights of scholarly work).

I asked -- please let me know what crimes I'm now allow to break now that bankers have gone uncharged.

These line items are not related.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
I asked -- please let me know what crimes I'm now allow to break now that bankers have gone uncharged.

It appears you have the green light to engage in 'the mass sale of mismarked, fraudulent mortgage-backed securities'

Enjoy!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … l-20110216

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Teenage hacker sentenced in UK for cyber-attacks

If "rehabilitation" is the UK's euphemism for "jail time", I think they got off light.  18 months + a couple weeks community service for damages of 3.5 million pounds ($5.5 million) seems light to me.

Note:  copyright violations have penalties associated with each copyright that is violated -- thus, big copyright violations can be more expensive than little violations.

So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

the more money you ruin/steal the lower the punishment.

The further you are under 18, the lower the punishment.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
I asked -- please let me know what crimes I'm now allow to break now that bankers have gone uncharged.

The Space Cowboy wrote:
It appears you have the green light to engage in 'the mass sale of mismarked, fraudulent mortgage-backed securities'

Enjoy!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … l-20110216

Not at all -- I haven't stated a single position, one way or another, on the alleged crimes of banks or bankers.

What I'm saying is that just because some banks may have been involved in some illegal activities, that is no excuse or justification for other people to commit unrelated crimes.

How far do you think that argument will go in court?  "I know I stole Charley's identity & emptied his bank accounts, but bankers get away with writing bad mortgages all the time"?


BTW:  As soon as Romney said, "Corporations are people, my friend", I immediately thought "Okay, so how do we put corporations into jail when they commit crimes?".

Looknsee Photography wrote:
So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

First conviction: six months in jail and full restitution.

Second conviction: three years in jail and full restitution.

Third conviction: Lobotomy and total forfeiture of assets.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Not at all -- I haven't stated a single position, one way or another, on the alleged crimes of banks or bankers.

What I'm saying is that just because some banks may have been involved in some illegal activities, that is no excuse or justification for other people to commit unrelated crimes.

How far do you think that argument will go in court?

No, my argument is that white collar criminals only do time when the victims are powerful.

So...

'What's the appropriate penalty for cyberhacking?'

Depends on how powerful the victim is.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
BTW:  As soon as Romney said, "Corporations are people, my friend",

When I heard that Romney had said that, I said "how do we get that changed?"

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Teenage hacker sentenced in UK for cyber-attacks

If "rehabilitation" is the UK's euphemism for "jail time", I think they got off light.  18 months + a couple weeks community service for damages of 3.5 million pounds ($5.5 million) seems light to me.

Note:  copyright violations have penalties associated with each copyright that is violated -- thus, big copyright violations can be more expensive than little violations.

So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

Don't dismay. He was the junior partner and 16 at the time. There are restrictions on what could be done with [to?] him by the courts. The same would have applied if it had been a US case. Two of his older associates got 18 months [the main man - on conviction] and 7 months in prison [the second main man - pleaded guilty and got a break on prison time].

The important point, I think, was to demonstrate that they were not quite so anonymous as they thought they were.

Studio36

sdgillis wrote:
a $100k yr job with full access to an entire data cluster.  At least that's what happened at once place I worked.

Not enough money if they're good enough!  :-)

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Teenage hacker sentenced in UK for cyber-attacks

If "rehabilitation" is the UK's euphemism for "jail time", I think they got off light.  18 months + a couple weeks community service for damages of 3.5 million pounds ($5.5 million) seems light to me.

Note:  copyright violations have penalties associated with each copyright that is violated -- thus, big copyright violations can be more expensive than little violations.

So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

I think that the Penalty should fit the Crime.

David Westlake wrote:
10 minutes in a room full of it professionals who had to clean up their shit.

:-)

Raoul Isidro Images wrote:
Turn them into Soylent Green along with other Wall Street crims.

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Soylent Green are People!

EdwardKristopher wrote:
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Soylent Green are People!

Don't tell anyone! LOL!



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