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MissLaurelle
Posts: 3,532
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Hey guys!

Is it just me, or a lot of models on MM won't do the modelmayhem credits with the # thingy.

And it's not because the photographer isn't on MM, no.. I've seen many photographers have the same shot as the model credited and all and the model have no info given on hers.


I personally find it frustrating cause I usually want to know who shot the picture. But I also find it kind of a lack of respect?

thoughts...?


Edit; They also don't credit on their MM page (which is obviously not necessary, but if they didn't credit the shot... you'd think they'd mention the photog somewhere?)
I'm huge of crediting.
Feb 05 13 02:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Grady Richardson
Posts: 151
Houston, Texas, US


I agree. I always give credit, and I expect it in return. Most will give it when asked, but I've had a few who say, "Sorry, I'll take care of it", but never do.

Personally, if I see a models portfolio with no credits given, I consider it a red flag - this model does not work and play well with others.
Feb 05 13 02:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,125
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


Could be lots of things, including new llamas who just don't know what crediting is.

If the photographer is worried about it,  I figure he or she will contact the llama.  No need for the rest of us to worry about.
Feb 05 13 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 31,683
Lodi, California, US


It's been my experience that some models are very proactive and generous in promoting the photographer. Some others tend to overlook that networking aspect, but are eager to give credit when asked nicely. A few are utterly clueless and graceless and won't lift a finger in reciprocity no matter how nicely one asks.

That's life. And it's not just models. I've seen photographers who flat-out refuse to promote the models.

Not much you can do to get someone to credit you and promote you, except to not work with them again and work only with models who understand the value of promotion and credits.
Feb 05 13 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,077
Seattle, Washington, US


MissLaurelle wrote:
Hey guys!
Is it just me, or a lot of models on MM won't do the modelmayhem credits with the # thingy.
And it's not because the photographer isn't on MM, no.. I've seen many photographers have the same shot as the model credited and all and the model have no info given on hers.
I personally find it frustrating cause I usually want to know who shot the picture. But I also find it kind of a lack of respect?
thoughts...?
Edit; They also don't credit on their MM page (which is obviously not necessary, but if they didn't credit the shot... you'd think they'd mention the photog somewhere?)
I'm huge of crediting.

Nah, a good chunk of the model members here cannot understand the word responsibility nor remember what date and time are their commitments. And you are asking them to deal with multiple names with long number digits? Argh, too difficult of a task to do if you ask my opinion.

Feb 05 13 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kayz-Modelling
Posts: 294
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


MissLaurelle wrote:
Hey guys!

Is it just me, or a lot of models on MM won't do the modelmayhem credits with the # thingy.

And it's not because the photographer isn't on MM, no.. I've seen many photographers have the same shot as the model credited and all and the model have no info given on hers.


I personally find it frustrating cause I usually want to know who shot the picture. But I also find it kind of a lack of respect?

thoughts...?


Edit; They also don't credit on their MM page (which is obviously not necessary, but if they didn't credit the shot... you'd think they'd mention the photog somewhere?)
I'm huge of crediting.

I agree. It doesn't take two seconds to add a few numbers in the credit box and click ok.
I don't like not crediting a photographer even when they're not on MM so I add them to my profile instead of to the images (although I do write in the description/copyright sections their name) as I said it doesn't take two seconds.

It's disrespectful and just down right lazy. I saw a thread like this before and a lot of people suggested that models and photographers don't credit their images because they don't want other people to work with who ever is in or created the image. Which is stupid really....

Just my opinion,
Kayz

Feb 05 13 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
JadeDRed
Posts: 5,181
London, England, United Kingdom


MissLaurelle wrote:
Hey guys!

Is it just me, or a lot of models on MM won't do the modelmayhem credits with the # thingy.

And it's not because the photographer isn't on MM, no.. I've seen many photographers have the same shot as the model credited and all and the model have no info given on hers.


I personally find it frustrating cause I usually want to know who shot the picture. But I also find it kind of a lack of respect?

thoughts...?


Edit; They also don't credit on their MM page (which is obviously not necessary, but if they didn't credit the shot... you'd think they'd mention the photog somewhere?)
I'm huge of crediting.

If its not your photo its not your problem.

I don't worry about what other people do when its none of my business. Maybe they have a good reason. Maybe not. Still not my business.

If i ever forgot to credit a photographer they are welcome to message me and i will sort it out straight away. Probably happens quite a lot with the credits as most people i work with i dont meet on here and am therefore unaware of their profiles.

Feb 05 13 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4,556
Jacksonville, Florida, US


yeah could be "newbies" but I have seen many "old timers" skip this process !
I give credit if I use the images.....and yes if the llama just won't give credit when proper, then all's fair in "love and war"......no credit given to the llama.
Why else would this be a NETWORKING site ??? It's to draw to your portfolio, send and promote others on MM, SPREAD the LOVE !.........same as in comments and listings....it draws  to you, and sends to others on MM smile

If the llama is not on MM, then I still give "credit" as in stage name and note she is non member of MM.
Feb 05 13 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,700
San Antonio, Texas, US


MissLaurelle wrote:
Hey guys!

Is it just me, or a lot of models on MM won't do the modelmayhem credits with the # thingy.

And it's not because the photographer isn't on MM, no.. I've seen many photographers have the same shot as the model credited and all and the model have no info given on hers.


I personally find it frustrating cause I usually want to know who shot the picture. But I also find it kind of a lack of respect?

thoughts...?


Edit; They also don't credit on their MM page (which is obviously not necessary, but if they didn't credit the shot... you'd think they'd mention the photog somewhere?)
I'm huge of crediting.

It goes both ways.. altough photographers don't credit because they think they own the model.. I find out most models upload pics from their phones and either they can't or is hard to do it.. a model msg me on FB sunday night and told me she uploaded it a pic and when she get home she was going to credit me. smile

Feb 05 13 02:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MissLaurelle
Posts: 3,532
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Chuckarelei wrote:

Nah, a good chunk of the model members here cannot understand the word responsibility nor remember what date and time are their commitments. And you are asking them to deal with multiple names with long number digits? Argh, too difficult of a task to do if you ask my opinion.

lol

Feb 05 13 02:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MissLaurelle
Posts: 3,532
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


JadeDRed wrote:

If its not your photo its not your problem.

I don't worry about what other people do when its none of my business. Maybe they have a good reason. Maybe not. Still not my business.

True true.
It just peaked my curiosity.

Feb 05 13 02:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PIEntertainment
Posts: 1,264
Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan


They simply don't do it because they're not very professional, so they don't see the need for it. They probably assume only the photographer has to give them credit but it's not a two way street. Unfortunately it's not worth the hassle of messaging them and asking fo a credit, it's only really bad if they post the photos on websites other than MM and not credit the photographer on there either.
Feb 05 13 02:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
JadeDRed
Posts: 5,181
London, England, United Kingdom


MissLaurelle wrote:
True true.
It just peaked my curiosity.

The problem is people assume things like it is disrespectful or unprofessional, when in all likelihood you will find a bunch of totally reasonable explanations if you asked them, like the phone thing. At some point in time the majority of my photos were probably uncredited, because as i said i don't usually meet many photographers through this site and it is such a large site i could go forever without stumbling across them. I usually try to fill in the copyright section though.

I take a lot of self portraits and i always wonder whether it is better to leave the copyright blank and be thought ignorant and rude for not crediting the photographer or to fill it in with my own name and be thought of another dumb model who think she owns the photo, it seems whatever we do someone will assume a negative reason for it.

Feb 05 13 02:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,774
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


MissLaurelle wrote:
I personally find it frustrating cause I usually want to know who shot the picture.

This is the primary reason I include a small watermark on all my pics that get posted online smile

Feb 05 13 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MissLaurelle
Posts: 3,532
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


DAN CRUIKSHANK wrote:

This is the primary reason I include a small watermark on all my pics that get posted online smile

yep watermarks definitely help my search tongue

Feb 05 13 03:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,587
Los Angeles, California, US


MissLaurelle wrote:
Hey guys!

Is it just me, or a lot of models on MM won't do the modelmayhem credits with the # thingy.

And it's not because the photographer isn't on MM, no.. I've seen many photographers have the same shot as the model credited and all and the model have no info given on hers.


I personally find it frustrating cause I usually want to know who shot the picture. But I also find it kind of a lack of respect?

thoughts...?


Edit; They also don't credit on their MM page (which is obviously not necessary, but if they didn't credit the shot... you'd think they'd mention the photog somewhere?)
I'm huge of crediting.

I find this often and typically they have the credited photos section removed as well. My assumption is always the same.. they don't want other models "stealing" their photographers, taking away potential paid work.

If thats not the case, they're either clueless or dont care.

ETA: I primarily look at the profiles of more "established" models so them just being newbies is not the case.

Feb 05 13 03:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ryan McNab Photography
Posts: 121
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Has happened to me sometimes. I always make a point to credit everyone. It only takes second. I guess that's where my little watermark logo comes in handy.
Feb 05 13 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Valenten Photography
Posts: 247
Balikpapan, Kalimantan Timur, Indonesia


I kinda agree. Maybe crediting the photographer on the pictures is a bit boring, but at least putting his name (and possible MM number) in the credits list on his profile seem kinda normal and logical.
Feb 05 13 04:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,404
Houston, Texas, US


Some models do not lnow how to credit. I had to instruct s couple step by step and provide my MM#.
Feb 05 13 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shy L
Posts: 584
Burlington, Vermont, US


I have turned down shoots with models because they didn't credit.  I did tell them that was why.  ETA: I don't care whether they use the linked credit portion or not, but they need to at least put something in the copyright line.
Feb 05 13 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digital Hands
Posts: 925
Milton, Ontario, Canada


Some models do not add credits because most of the photos was from the same photographer.
Feb 05 13 06:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,700
San Antonio, Texas, US


Shy L wrote:
I have turned down shoots with models because they didn't credit.  I did tell them that was why.

LOL... Now thats a little extreme. hahahaha I don't check on that when I msg a model. big_smile

Feb 05 13 06:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,645
New York, New York, US


Grady Richardson wrote:
I agree. I always give credit, and I expect it in return. Most will give it when asked, but I've had a few who say, "Sorry, I'll take care of it", but never do.

Personally, if I see a models portfolio with no credits given, I consider it a red flag - this model does not work and play well with others.

Agreed.  Whether intentional or not, It's a great way for a model to be avoided by the very people she's (presumably) here to meet.

Feb 05 13 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Shy L
Posts: 584
Burlington, Vermont, US


Charger Photography wrote:

LOL... Now thats a little extreme. hahahaha I don't check on that when I msg a model. big_smile

Well, I get burned once I try not to go down that road again if I can help it.  There can be reasonable explanations for not crediting, yes, but there can also be not nice reasons for the lack of crediting.  I assume that if someone had a reasonable explanation that they might make use of it at some point.  "oops I'm a newbie and didn't realize I was supposed to put who the photographers are.  Promise I will credit you!"

Feb 05 13 06:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TrianglePhoto
Posts: 566
Chicago, Illinois, US


That's no different than my newspaper/magazine credits...

Most of the time I get credits, sometimes I don't. I don't lose sleep over it.
Feb 05 13 07:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,700
San Antonio, Texas, US


Shy L wrote:
Well, I get burned once I try not to go down that road again if I can help it.  There can be reasonable explanations for not crediting, yes, but there can also be not nice reasons for the lack of crediting.  I assume that if someone had a reasonable explanation that they might make use of it at some point.  "oops I'm a newbie and didn't realize I was supposed to put who the photographers are.  Promise I will credit you!"

It isn't that big of a deal....LMFAO.... Models want pretty pics... thats it... if they post them and don't credit you make a list "My work on models port" simple...
If the models has the look I want .. her crediting habits are not going to affect me. big_smile
I keep asking .... why common sense goes away on MM ?

Feb 05 13 07:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Paige Morgan
Posts: 4,058
New York, New York, US


This thread has gone this long and no one has pointed out the obvious?

MM has a piss poor reputation in the larger modeling world. Non MM photographers that primarily shoot commercial work or agency models might ask not to be credited so their names aren't attached to this site in a google search.


It isn't common, but I've had folks ask me not to credit them here, just on my website and other non MM channels.

I respect the requests of the folks that I work with, and credit everyone who desires to be credited. However, not everyone does.
Feb 05 13 07:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,700
San Antonio, Texas, US


Paige Morgan wrote:
This thread has gone this long and no one has pointed out the obvious?

MM has a piss poor reputation in the larger modeling world. Non MM photographers that primarily shoot commercial work or agency models might ask not to be credited so their names aren't attached to this site in a google search.


It isn't common, but I've had folks ask me not to credit them here, just on my website and other non MM channels.

I respect the requests of the folks that I work with, and credit everyone who desires to be credited. However, not everyone does.

LOL... The question wasn't about agencies ... Just about MM networking.. I'm sure Agency photographers and models aren't on MM and if they are use different names if they choose to..... PLEASE READ !!!!

Feb 05 13 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BlueMoonPics
Posts: 3,505
New York, New York, US


Charger Photography wrote:

It isn't that big of a deal....LMFAO.... Models want pretty pics... thats it... if they post them and don't credit you make a list "My work on models port" simple...
If the models has the look I want .. her crediting habits are not going to affect me. big_smile
I keep asking .... why common sense goes away on MM ?

Honestly, I think many models forget to credit.  I know that some have credited me on some images and then forgot to credit me on other images.  This is the same model.
Not a problem, I made a list "images by BlueMoonPics" and I put the images there.

Feb 05 13 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,700
San Antonio, Texas, US


BlueMoonPics wrote:
Honestly, I think many models forget to credit.  I know that some have credited me on some images and then forgot to credit me on other images.  This is the same model.
Not a problem, I made a list "images by BlueMoonPics" and I put the images there.

Exactly !!!!! I learned.. some do it off their phone because they don't have Internet at home... smile . Some just plain don't even know what an MM number is.

Feb 05 13 07:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Paige Morgan
Posts: 4,058
New York, New York, US


Charger Photography wrote:
LOL... The question wasn't about agencies ... Just about MM networking.. I'm sure Agency photographers and models aren't on MM and if they are use different names if they choose to..... PLEASE READ !!!!

Before going on all caps rants, please follow your own advice and read my post.

Not everyone wants to network on Mayhem, or be credited here. My original post described one possible reason someone might not want to be credited, that I have personally experienced.

A photographer does not have a Mayhem account. I do. I have permission to use the image for personal promotion, but they specifically ask not to be credited here.

Does that mean I'm a diva or a problem for respecting their wishes?


Please refrain from assuming a person is disrespectful, a drama queen, a creep or an issue just based off things like if an MM image is credited the way you think it should be.

Feb 05 13 08:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 36,985
Portland, Oregon, US


Paige Morgan wrote:

Not everyone wants to network on Mayhem, or be credited here. This is one reason someone might not want to be credited, that I have personally experienced.

A photographer does not have a Mayhem account. I do. I have permission to use the image for personal promotion, but they specifically ask not to be credited here.

Does that mean I'm a diva or a problem for respecting their wishes?


Please refrain from assuming a person is disrespectful, a drama queen, a creep or an issue just based off things like if an MM image is credited the way you think it should be.

I understand what you're saying and I am sure that does happen.

In that case, I would think they could say something like "Credit withheld by request" or "Name withheld by request", that way it is clear that the lack of credit is intentional.

Feb 05 13 08:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Paige Morgan
Posts: 4,058
New York, New York, US


DougBPhoto wrote:

I understand what you're saying and I am sure that does happen.

In that case, I would think they could say something like "Credit withheld by request" or "Name withheld by request", that way it is clear that the lack of credit is intentional.

A noble idea, but then you run the risk of assumptions of bad blood or diva behavior being the cause for that request, especially here on Mayhem, where folks love to damn with faint evidence big_smile


That precise mentality is already going on in this thread, and I think a "credit withheld by request" would only make those prone to witchhunts and gossip that much worse.

Feb 05 13 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,700
San Antonio, Texas, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
I understand what you're saying and I am sure that does happen.

In that case, I would think they could say something like "Credit withheld by request" or "Name withheld by request", that way it is clear that the lack of credit is intentional.

+100  Common sense !!!! If the model isn't on MM I quote that !!! but we were talking about models not photographers.

Feb 05 13 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 36,985
Portland, Oregon, US


Paige Morgan wrote:
A noble idea, but then you run the risk of assumptions of bad blood or diva behavior being the cause for that request, especially here on Mayhem, where folks love to damn with faint evidence big_smile


That precise mentality is already going on in this thread, and I think a "credit withheld by request" would only make those prone to witchhunts and gossip that much worse.

Then, just as easy to say "Credit available upon request"


PS: Laurelle, you might try checking the exif on the images, they may still have a name embedded wink

Feb 05 13 08:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Paige Morgan
Posts: 4,058
New York, New York, US


Charger Photography wrote:
100  Common sense !!!! If the llama isn't on MM I quote that !!! but we were talking about llamas not photographers.

The same logic applies to llamas, just reverse the roles in my scenario above.


All of the negative assumptions being made in this thread based on how an image is credited are quite ridiculous.

Want to know if someone is rude or a diva? Check references.

Upset that someone didn't credit you? Ask them to/show them how(as they may not know).

Just curious as to who worked on a specific image? Google image search it or tineye.

Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best ones, rather than making sweeping generalizations on a very small part of the whole.

Feb 05 13 08:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Paige Morgan
Posts: 4,058
New York, New York, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
Then, just as easy to say "Credit available upon request"


PS: Laurelle, you might try checking the exif on the images, they may still have a name embedded wink

Also noble...but that has other potentially problematic implications.

For example, llamas who've shot faceless nudes or fine art work they'd rather not have a name attached to.

The photographer would be unable to give the credit when asked, without breaking his agreement with the llama.

Will the suspicious types then jump to the conclusion he must be hoarding his llamas and want no one else to shoot them?

Feb 05 13 08:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,255
Imperial, California, US


Isn't networking what this place is about? Every member should credit any member involved in the creation of an image posted here on MM.
Feb 05 13 08:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,700
San Antonio, Texas, US


Paige Morgan wrote:
The same logic applies to models, just reverse the roles in my scenario above.


All of the negative assumptions being made in this thread based on how an image is credited are quite ridiculous.

Want to know if someone is rude or a diva? Check references.

Upset that someone didn't credit you? Ask them to/show them how(as they may not know).

Just curious as to who worked on a specific image? Google image search it or tineye.

Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best ones, rather than making sweeping generalizations on a very small part of the whole.

I'm not being negative.... If you actually read my quotes.. I was saying most of the time models use their phones to upload pics and either is hard or not available to credit..... You on the other way came on saying stuff about MM being a piss poor place and agency crap... LOL

Feb 05 13 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,700
San Antonio, Texas, US


George Ruge wrote:
Isn't networking what this place is about? Every member should credit any member involved in the creation of an image posted here on MM.

+100

Feb 05 13 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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