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Cuica Cafezinho wrote:
My nation was not founded on revolution. My nation is more complicated than that. But, you won't get that in the Cliffs Notes. You didn't even manage Cliffs Notes, did you?

Can we get back to the man that is killing innocent people?

Cheers on your accomplishments by the way. Amazing.

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Al Lock Photography wrote:
First, Dorner is accused of killing government personnel - police.

uh, no. his first two victims were not in law enforcement.

GK photo wrote:

uh, no. his first two victims were not in law enforcement.

Actually, I believe one of them was (not that it really matters).

Lohkee wrote:
Actually, I believe one of them was (not that it really matters).

the fiance of the woman was a campus security officer. hardly law enforcement, and certainly not lapd. and he was most certainly collateral damage anyway. at this point, splitting hairs over the employment record of the victims is fruitless.

and ftr, the officer he killed was not lapd either. nor was the other cop he shot, nor the cops he fired on.

GK photo wrote:

the fiance of the woman was a campus security officer. hardly law enforcement, and certainly not lapd. and he was most certainly collateral damage anyway. at this point, splitting hairs over the employment record of the victims is fruitless.

and ftr, the officer he killed was not lapd either. nor was the other cop he shot, nor the cops he fired on.

Dorner is a murderous madman, not some folk hero. His self serving "manifesto" was only concerned with "correcting" his firing as a police officer---- You guys tell me---is a guy who would do these things the kind of guy who should be a cop?

It looks to me like the system worked and they took a time bomb off the streets.

There is NO defense for either the systemic racism and brutality in the LAPD, or the assaults on the two innocent pick up trucks and their occupants. But neither gives Dorner the right to execute anyone.

After his trial proves him guilty, I hope he dies screaming when the lethal injection puts him down like the rabid dog he is.

rfordphotos wrote:

Dorner is a murderous madman, not some folk hero. His self serving "manifesto" was only concerned with "correcting" his firing as a police officer---- You guys tell me---is a guy who would do these things the kind of guy who should be a cop?

It looks to me like the system worked and they took a time bomb off the streets.

There is NO defense for either the systemic racism and brutality in the LAPD, or the assaults on the two innocent pick up trucks and their occupants. But neither gives Dorner the right to execute anyone.

After his trial proves him guilty, I hope he dies screaming when the lethal injection puts him down like the rabid dog he is.

See now I don't take pleasure in seeing people's pain. I understand removing people permanently for the common good but seeing people suffer has no appeal to me.

rfordphotos wrote:
It looks to me like the system worked and they took a time bomb off the streets.

There is NO defense for either the systemic racism and brutality in the LAPD, or the assaults on the two innocent pick up trucks and their occupants. But neither gives Dorner the right to execute anyone.

point a. exactly

point b. if anyone cared to look up the racial makeup of the lapd, they'd have a lot of explaining to make a case that systemic racism exists. there would be a lot of people complicit that you'd otherwise think wouldn't be part of it. the numbers just don't add up.

again, if anyone cares, watch the brutally honest show about the lapd called southland. it starts another season next wednesday on tnt. that show is unflinching in its look at the department, warts and all.

as for this drama...this guy needs to be caught, asap. enough of the folk hero worship. bring this guy in and let him face the music.

IBS wrote:
See now I don't take pleasure in seeing people's pain. I understand removing people permanently for the common good but seeing people suffer has no appeal to me.

nor do i. he should be brought in, put on trial, and let the justice system do what it is supposed to do. i hope when they catch him that they apprehend him. i sense he will force them to either kill him, or he will do himself in.

i hope not. he wants to be heard, let him be heard...in a court of law.

IBS wrote:
See now I don't take pleasure in seeing people's pain. I understand removing people permanently for the common good but seeing people suffer has no appeal to me.

and I dont really either, just letting my frustration get the better of me. This is such a eff'd up situation. I dont doubt for a second that there are problems that MUST be resolved at LAPD. I am just having a hard time understanding folks who are seemingly defending premeditated, cold blooded murder as a way to correct a social injustice.

Dorner is a cold blooded murderer, not a folk hero.

GK photo wrote:
point a. exactly

point b. if anyone cared to look up the racial makeup of the lapd, they'd have a lot of explaining to make a case that systemic racism exists. there would be a lot of people complicit that you'd otherwise think wouldn't be part of it. the numbers just don't add up.

It has shifted significantly in the past decade. The dept is now ~35% Hispanic, 25% white, and ~13% Black, which is much closer to the actual demographics of the area.

The problem, at least to some degree is that the senior command staff are from the old school---Rampart division style.... or so I have been told.

rfordphotos wrote:
It has shifted significantly in the past decade. The dept is now ~35% Hispanic, 25% white, and ~13% Black, which is much closer to the actual demographics of the area.

The problem, at least to some degree is that the senior command staff are from the old school---Rampart division style.... or so I have been told.

again, if that's the case, then there's a lot of complicity, if you look at this.

http://www.lapdonline.org/sworn_and_civilian_report

the reality is that policing a major us urban area is a tough job. are the people who are tasked to do so all perfect? of course not. is it a thankless job for the most part...absolutely.

is this the lapd of daryl gates, or mayor sam yorty? of course not. someone please point out a utopian police force that is in charge of of a city the size of--and diverse as--los angeles.

besides, out here, people can never decide if they hate the lapd, or the la sheriffs dept worse.

regardless, this is a case of a mass murderer who needs to be stopped. end of story.

GK photo wrote:
the reality is that policing a major us urban area is a tough job. are the people who are tasked to do so all perfect? of course not. is it a thankless job for the most part...absolutely.

New York Policie seems to have things better under control than LA, less shooting to start with...

GK photo wrote:
point out a utopian police force that is in charge of of a city the size of--and diverse as--los angeles.

London, Cologne....to start with? more utopian, as utopian is unfeasible...maybe Canada ?

Lohkee wrote:
Well on the bright side - LAPD has announced they are buying the old lady a new truck

http://ktla.com/2013/02/09/delivering-n … z2KF8rNaVb

She'll need the old truck as evidence in the civil trial.  I hope her attorney is aware of that.

BTW, 7 different officers fired at the women in the truck, despite that it was the wrong truck.  Why didn't any of those 7 say, "Hey, wait, how do we know that's Dorner's truck?"  The answer, imo, is "contagious firing," once again.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:

She'll need the old truck as evidence in the civil trial.  I hope her attorney is aware of that.

BTW, 7 different officers fired at the women in the truck, despite that it was the wrong truck.  Why didn't any of those 7 say, "Hey, wait, how do we know that's Dorner's truck?"  The answer, imo, is "contagious firing," once again.

I agree. The cops are definitely trippin' these days.

R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
BARBARIANS

hahaha wow


this shit didn't happen when the DC Sniper was on the loose, did it?

Not that I recall. But then, he was't hunting cops.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
She'll need the old truck as evidence in the civil trial.  I hope her attorney is aware of that.

I'm not sure there will ever be a trail. It's appears pretty obvious that the cops seriously screwed the pooch on this one. The only question really left IMHO is how much the city will have to cut the checks for. I suspect the old woman and her daughter won't have to deliver papers anymore

Michael Bots wrote:
Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me … 5268.story

"Perdue looks nothing like Dorner: He's several inches shorter and about a hundred pounds lighter. And Perdue is white; Dorner is black."

"I don't want to use the word buffoonery but it really is unbridled police lawlessness," said Robert Sheahen, Perdue's attorney. "These people need training and they need restraint."

The cops offered Perdue a rental truck to replace the one they totaled.  They have also offered to pay his medical expenses, although they have claimed he doesn't have any. 

Lohkee wrote:
Well on the bright side - LAPD has announced they are buying the old lady a new truck

http://ktla.com/2013/02/09/delivering-n … z2KF8rNaVb

Oh believe me when I tell you... a new truck is not ALL the LAPD will be buying her.  When her attorney gets done with them... she'll have a few new houses... new yacht... fancy wardrobe... new sportscar... thousands of dollars in the bank... and that list will go on and on.  Cops in that situation FUCKED UP MAJORLY and they will be paying for that mistake
THRU THE NOSE!...

T wrote:
They need to value our lives as much as they value theirs. If I was gunned down in Compton tonight, there wouldn't be half as much effort to solve the crime.

One reason is because witnesses in minority areas do not cooperate with the police.

Lohkee wrote:
Well on the bright side - LAPD has announced they are buying the old lady a new truck

http://ktla.com/2013/02/09/delivering-n … z2KF8rNaVb

Select Models wrote:
Oh believe me when I tell you... a new truck is not ALL the LAPD will be buying her.  When her attorney gets done with them... she'll have a few new houses... new yacht... fancy wardrobe... new sportscar... thousands of dollars in the bank... and that list will go on and on.  Cops in that situation FUCKED UP MAJORLY and they will be paying for that mistake
THRU THE NOSE!...

You mean taxpayers will be paying for it.

What Fun Productions wrote:

One reason is because witnesses in minority areas do not cooperate with the police.

Maybe now you understand why they don't trust the mofos! Seems they even fuck over their own "minorities".  If he is fired for reporting police brutality, imagine what happens to pookie johnson.

T wrote:
Maybe now you understand why they don't trust the mofos! Seems they even fuck over their own "minorities".  If he is fired for reporting police brutality, imagine what happens to pookie johnson.

You don't know what happened..

It is saddening however to watch so many defend this guy. He is a cold murderer who is going after children of those he felt wronged him.

As far as minorities not cooperating with the police, look what THAT gets them. High crime and kids shooting each other.

What Fun Productions wrote:

You don't know what happened..

It is saddening however to watch so many defend this guy. He is a cold murderer who is going after children of those he felt wronged him.

As far as minorities not cooperating with the police, look what THAT gets them. High crime and kids shooting each other.

Coming from the dude who has a SB thread right now defending Zimmerman the child killer.

GK photo wrote:
the reality is that policing a major us urban area is a tough job. are the people who are tasked to do so all perfect? of course not. is it a thankless job for the most part...absolutely.

Herman van Gestel wrote:
New York Policie seems to have things better under control than LA, less shooting to start with...

How quickly these forums seem to forget:

NYPD was soundly thrashed by the posters in this very forum for wounding 9 civilians during the Police shooting of a murder suspect in front of the Empire State Building this past August.

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/08 … g-victims/

GK photo wrote:
point out a utopian police force that is in charge of of a city the size of--and diverse as--los angeles.

Herman van Gestel wrote:
London, Cologne....to start with? more utopian, as utopian is unfeasible...maybe Canada ?

Lets not forget the Tottenham riots of 2011 in London, or the charges of police brutality in Cologne in 2008.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/0 … ers-police

http://www.dw.de/police-accused-of-alle … /a-3666894

Sorry, your examples show me nothing substantively different than LAPD.

rfordphotos wrote:
and I dont really either, just letting my frustration get the better of me. This is such a eff'd up situation. I dont doubt for a second that there are problems that MUST be resolved at LAPD. I am just having a hard time understanding folks who are seemingly defending premeditated, cold blooded murder as a way to correct a social injustice.

Dorner is a cold blooded murderer, not a folk hero.

There are cops that are cold-blooded killers too. They just operate under the protection of the badge. I think there are people that are frustrated with what they see as injustice with no real solution.

There are people that have grievances with the system that probably do see him as a type of folk hero.

I'd guess there are dirty cops that have killed more than three people. Many cops think they are above the law or that the laws don't apply to them.

Absolute power corrupts.

IBS wrote:

There are cops that are cold-blooded killers too. They just operate under the protection of the badge. I think there are people that are frustrated with what they see as injustice with no real solution.

There are people that have grievances with the system that probably do see him as a type of folk hero.

I'd guess there are dirty cops that have killed more than three people. Many cops think they are above the law or that the laws don't apply to them.

Absolute power corrupts.

QFT

T wrote:

Coming from the dude who has a SB thread right now defending Zimmerman the child killer.

What? I am not defending Zimmerman. I expect more from you LaT....

IBS wrote:
There are cops that are cold-blooded killers too. They just operate under the protection of the badge. I think there are people that are frustrated with what they see as injustice with no real solution.

There are people that have grievances with the system that probably do see him as a type of folk hero.

I'd guess there are dirty cops that have killed more than three people. Many cops think they are above the law or that the laws don't apply to them.

Absolute power corrupts.

I am not saying there are not murderous cops on the forces across the country. I dont believe they are the majority by any measure. I believe there are more good cops than bad cops.

But their crimes dont give people like Dorner a free pass to murder anyone. The crimes committed by the police do not justify anarchy, they do not justify murder by a disgruntled ex cop.

Dorner has all but admitted he committed two cold-blooded, calculated ambush murders, he is a strong suspect in the assault and murder of a police office during the manhunt.

You can speculate all you choose about other murderous cops--- but Dorner has removed any speculation, he is a mad dog, on a self serving murderous rampage.

Stop trying to justify his actions. No rational being actually believes he has a "right" to do the things he appears guilty of.

Lohkee wrote:
$1,000,000 reward for information leading to the capture of Dorner. . . . . .

http://ktla.com/2013/02/10/lapd-to-offe … z2KF8rNaVb

T wrote:
retracted your "dumb and dead" comment huh? Smart move

it wasn't befitting a future Pulitzer Prize winner

rfordphotos wrote:

I am not saying there are not murderous cops on the forces across the country. I dont believe they are the majority by any measure. I believe there are more good cops than bad cops.

But their crimes dont give people like Dorner a free pass to murder anyone. The crimes committed by the police do not justify anarchy, they do not justify murder by a disgruntled ex cop.

Dorner has all but admitted he committed two cold-blooded, calculated ambush murders, he is a strong suspect in the assault and murder of a police office during the manhunt.

You can speculate all you choose about other murderous cops--- but Dorner has removed any speculation, he is a mad dog, on a self serving murderous rampage.

Stop trying to justify his actions. No rational being actually believes he has a "right" to do the things he appears guilty of.

I never said what he is doing is right.

I said I could understand why some people might look at him as some sort of folk hero if they have been screwed over by the system. And I don't need to speculate about dirty cops. I know they exist.

I also know that there are those that are just as guilty or moreso than he is.

He is not operating under the protection of the badge anymore.