S W I N S K E Y wrote:
its brand fucking new...????

Maybe I should rephrase this.  Roughly how often does Nikon release successors to a particular line?  I have never paid attention before.

gl-amour wrote:
Expect a 4-year product cycle for that lineage.

Thanks.  You beat my rephrasing.

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
its brand fucking new...????

No it's not, it's over a year old, that's fucking dinosaurus territory!

I see a D4X on the horizon, 54MP or up!

Then we might see a D900!

Rik Austin wrote:

Maybe I should rephrase this.  Roughly how often does Nikon release successors to a particular line?  I have never paid attention before.

the d800 is not the successor to anything so how would one calculate this?
the d600 is the successor to what?
(its worse for Canon where they cant even decide if single digits are FF or crop)

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
the d800 is not the successor to anything so how would one calculate this?
the d600 is the successor to what?
(its worse for Canon where they cant even decide if single digits are FF or crop)

LOL.  It is amazing how both companies can make such fine equipment and do such a pathetic job at a simple marketing scheme.

I have considered the line to be d200, d300, d700, d800.  I know that isn't exact.  Just been my pattern.

Rik Austin wrote:
LOL.  It is amazing how both companies can make such fine equipment and do such a pathetic job at a simple marketing scheme.

I have considered the line to be d200, d300, d700, d800.  I know that isn't exact.  Just been my pattern.

Haha, that's me exactly!

...but I love the D700 and 800 so much, don't plan on changing either of them for years. The D700 is truly an epic camera, even by todays standards, really so well put together!

The D800 feels a little more clumsy! Just my view!

c_h_r_i_s wrote:
I'm holding back for the D1000.

I heard that about 12 months after they release the D1000, there will be a D1001.  I can't WAIT for THAT camera.  It's supposed to be even better than the D1000!!!!

Rik Austin wrote:
LOL.  It is amazing how both companies can make such fine equipment and do such a pathetic job at a simple marketing scheme.

I have considered the line to be d200, d300, d700, d800.  I know that isn't exact.  Just been my pattern.

Really?

The D300 and the D700 are vastly different cameras.  As is the D800 to the D700.  VERY different and excel in different areas.  I don't consider that the lineage.

Consider Nikon and Canon to be automobile manufacturers. 

Chevy makes a couple of sports cars, a few econoboxes, a sturdy truck line and then a few specialty vehicles like the Volt.  Occasionally, they end one llama and usually replace that sector with a similarly priced and performing llama, but with newer tech taken from their more expensive and better performing llamas.

The Vette is their top of the line performance llama and every 7-10 years, it gets a complete redesign.

Consider camera makers to be about the same.

It's Chevy's goal to make a vehicle for everyone.  It's Nikon's goal to make a camera for everyone.

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
its brand fucking new...????

Just like my thoughts- outfucking fantastic! Anyone for a diaper change?

Good Egg Productions wrote:

I heard that about 12 months after they release the D1000, there will be a D1001.  I can't WAIT for THAT camera.  It's supposed to be even better than the D1000!!!!

I heard Nikon will then start naming the cameras by migepixils.  Intel better get busy on more powerful processors or we will all be spending a long time on post.

Rik Austin wrote:

I heard Nikon will then start naming the cameras by migepixils.  Intel better get busy on more powerful processors or we will all be spending a long time on post.

Already happening, one PSD I had worked on from the D800 is 1.2GB, my PC nearly died!

Good Egg Productions wrote:

Really?

The D300 and the D700 are vastly different cameras.  As is the D800 to the D700.  VERY different and excel in different areas.  I don't consider that the lineage.

Consider Nikon and Canon to be automobile manufacturers. 

Chevy makes a couple of sports cars, a few econoboxes, a sturdy truck line and then a few specialty vehicles like the Volt.  Occasionally, they end one model and usually replace that sector with a similarly priced and performing model, but with newer tech taken from their more expensive and better performing models.

The Vette is their top of the line performance model and every 7-10 years, it gets a complete redesign.

Consider camera makers to be about the same.

It's Chevy's goal to make a vehicle for everyone.  It's Nikon's goal to make a camera for everyone.

True.  The "prosumer" line has really blurred.  Guess what I am thinking about is whatever the top of the line right below what they consider their professional line.  Right now I would say that's the d800.  What's next?  God knows what they will call it.

Rik Austin wrote:
I heard Nikon will then start naming the cameras by migepixils.  Intel better get busy on more powerful processors or we will all be spending a long time on post.

'Migepixils', I can't even pronounce that...
But it would be an original name.

London Fog wrote:

No it's not, it's over a year old, that's fucking dinosaurus territory!

I see a D4X on the horizon, 54MP or up!

Then we might see a D900!

Two version I heard about...for the D4X...54.1mp and 36.4 as used in the D800.

Carioca wrote:

'Migepixils', I can't even pronounce that...
But it would be an original name.

I'm going to fire my spell checker.

Carioca wrote:
'Migepixils', I can't even pronounce that...
But it would be an original name.

Pronounce in French. with e "accent aigu". In English "Mezhehpeexeel"? Sounds good.
Next line: merge best of the megapixel line and fps line? 54Mpx, ISO 12800, 12fps?

Rik Austin wrote:
I know I am asking for a WAG but any ideas?  I have the D700.  I've gotten to play with the D800 and love it. 

I know the theories about buying what you need when you need it but the D800 has been out for about a year now.

There is a rumor Nikon has been working on 60MP FX camera.

Rik Austin wrote:

True.  The "prosumer" line has really blurred.  Guess what I am thinking about is whatever the top of the line right below what they consider their professional line.  Right now I would say that's the d800.  What's next?  God knows what they will call it.

it will be called the G6

Rik Austin wrote:
I know I am asking for a WAG but any ideas?  I have the D700.  I've gotten to play with the D800 and love it. 

I know the theories about buying what you need when you need it but the D800 has been out for about a year now.

How about a D400 first?

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:

Two version I heard about...for the D4X...54.1mp and 36.4 as used in the D800.

Wonder why two Thomas? maybe the D4X will be the 54MP monster, and a D4S the 36.3 but with a much faster drive, say 7-10fps, plus even better low light - yeah that would all make sense.

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
the d800 is not the successor to anything so how would one calculate this?
the d600 is the successor to what?
(its worse for Canon where they cant even decide if single digits are FF or crop)

With Canon, it's a bit simpler actually.

Single digit: professional camera. The lower the digit, the more expensive the camera. (A little imperfect, since the 7D is more professional than the 6D)

Double digits: high end consumer/low end professional. Over the years, I've seen  more professional photographers using 20D/30D/40D, etc., cameras than any other camera. The 60D diverged from this a bit, but expect the 70D to return to its rightful place in the lineup.

Triple digits: high end Rebels.

It gets all messed up after that.

Nikon's names, outside of the D1-D4, are kind of screwy. D600, D700, D800, D200, and D300. If you don't know the specific camera, there's no way of telling. Why is the D600 the newest camera? Some are  crop, others are FF. Why does the D800 outrank the D80, when both are outranked by the D4?

Leggy Mountbatten wrote:

With Canon, it's a bit simpler actually.

Single digit: professional camera. The lower the digit, the more expensive the camera. (A little imperfect, since the 7D is more professional than the 6D)

Double digits: high end consumer/low end professional. Over the years, I've seen  more professional photographers using 20D/30D/40D, etc., cameras than any other camera. The 60D diverged from this a bit, but expect the 70D to return to its rightful place in the lineup.

Triple digits: high end Rebels.

It gets all messed up after that.

Nikon's names, outside of the D1-D4, are kind of screwy. D600, D700, D800, D200, and D300. If you don't know the specific camera, there's no way of telling. Why is the D600 the newest camera? Some are  crop, others are FF. Why does the D800 outrank the D80, when both are outranked by the D4?

There is some truth to this, remember the D100? how can that have been higher up the food chain the D90?

Leggy Mountbatten wrote:
With Canon, it's a bit simpler actually.

Single digit: professional camera. The lower the digit, the more expensive the camera. (A little imperfect, since the 7D is more professional than the 6D)

Double digits: high end consumer/low end professional. Over the years, I've seen  more professional photographers using 20D/30D/40D, etc., cameras than any other camera. The 60D diverged from this a bit, but expect the 70D to return to its rightful place in the lineup.

Triple digits: high end Rebels.

It gets all messed up after that.

Nikon's names, outside of the D1-D4, are kind of screwy. D600, D700, D800, D200, and D300. If you don't know the specific camera, there's no way of telling. Why is the D600 the newest camera? Some are  crop, others are FF. Why does the D800 outrank the D80, when both are outranked by the D4?

Let's go back to cars.

How do you know what kind of car you want?  You look at the styling.  You look at the spec sheet.  You look at the price.

If you're buying a DSLR because of the number attached to it, you deserve whatever you get.

Other tech has confusing model numbering as well.  Just look at video cards over the years.  Or computer processors.

Good Egg Productions wrote:
Let's go back to cars.

How do you know what kind of car you want?  You look at the styling.  You look at the spec sheet.  You look at the price.

Well I know, in general, the difference between a Honda Civic DX, LS and EX. Those have been consistent over the years.

And I know, in general, that a Chevrolet Corvette or Ford Mustang is going to be a speedy car with rear wheel drive.

On the other hand, the Lexus naming seems random.

It's about time that the camera companies dropped the "D" from their naming conventions.

Leggy Mountbatten wrote:

Well I know, in general, the difference between a Honda Civic DX, LS and EX. Those have been consistent over the years.

And I know, in general, that a Chevrolet Corvette or Ford Mustang is going to be a speedy car with rear wheel drive.

On the other hand, the Lexus naming seems random.

It's about time that the camera companies dropped the "D" from their naming conventions.

Essentially, a Honda Civic DX, LS and EX is a Nikon D3100 with no strap, with a basic strap and painted red with a fancy red strap.  The only reason you know the difference with the civic models is because you're familiar with them.  But the 2013 Civic DX is WAY more luxurious and safe than the 1998 Civic EX.  Each year, they have a different list of amenities.

I stand by my opinion that if you're spending $1000 on a camera, you should know where it stands in the manufacture's lineup before you swipe your card.

AJScalzitti wrote:
Only when they need to I am sure.  It's not like Canon is at their heels on this one, actually most of what Canon has done this year feels like one misstep after another.

The D800 vs the MkIII went to Nikon by most all account

Depends on how you're scoring. The D800 release did not go smoothly at all, with tons of complaints about left-side AF breakdown. Even correctly-working AF units are nowhere as consistent and accurate as Canon's latest. To top it off, Nikon continues to pretend that this isn't an issue.

The D800 has the best sensor on the market. But beyond that, things start to get more complicated. I seriously looked at the D800. I really did. But the Mk III is a much better camera in the territory I play in, where the D800 no longer holds any advantages.

AJScalzitti wrote:
The D600 vs the 6D, not even close on the oversized Rebel

Again, a very shaky launch for the D600. The 6D does look kind of weak on paper, but it has a few features that have me considering it. The size and weight, the built-in GPS and Wi-Fi are intriguing, and having the most sensitive AF system on the market are all of interest to me.

AJScalzitti wrote:
Let's see what else, late to the high end point and shoot market with a poor ish offering... Oh and a 3rd party released a 24-70mm f/2.8 with IS, something Canon still has not done.

I would say Nikon is safe to milk the D800 for 4 years

P.S. forget Canon also decided to hike prices on everything...

Nikon has put rebates on everything nearly straight out the door. As a potential buyer, that's something I would remember, the next time they launch a new product.

Good Egg Productions wrote:
I stand by my opinion that if you're spending $1000 on a camera, you should know where it stands in the manufacture's lineup before you swipe your card.

Well yes, of course.

Leggy Mountbatten wrote:

AJScalzitti wrote:
Only when they need to I am sure.  It's not like Canon is at their heels on this one, actually most of what Canon has done this year feels like one misstep after another.

The D800 vs the MkIII went to Nikon by most all account

Depends on how you're scoring. The D800 release did not go smoothly at all, with tons of complaints about left-side AF breakdown. Even correctly-working AF units are nowhere as consistent and accurate as Canon's latest. To top it off, Nikon continues to pretend that this isn't an issue.

The D800 has the best sensor on the market. But beyond that, things start to get more complicated. I seriously looked at the D800. I really did. But the Mk III is a much better camera in the territory I play in, where the D800 no longer holds any advantages.

AJScalzitti wrote:
The D600 vs the 6D, not even close on the oversized Rebel

Again, a very shaky launch for the D600. The 6D does look kind of weak on paper, but it has a few features that have me considering it. The size and weight, the built-in GPS and Wi-Fi are intriguing, and having the most sensitive AF system on the market are all of interest to me.


Nikon has put rebates on everything nearly straight out the door. As a potential buyer, that's something I would remember, the next time they launch a new product.

That was one of the things that made me start wondering.  There are deals on the 800 now.  I wondered if that meant a new camera coming out but maybe not if they have rebates that quickly.