Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 3351
London, England, United Kingdom
John Jebbia wrote:
Anyone who's uncomfortable with having nudes all over the web shouldn't model nude. This!
As mentioned before, once someone "sees" a picture online, they can copy it.
Also, you really need to have one on your profile so perspective photographers know you are willing to shoot AND be comfortable to having them on display, because the chances are, they will want to display them on their port.
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 3351
London, England, United Kingdom
As for staying safe, network with models in your area, you can find them on MM, Facebook and other local sites. People talk so you will get better references from your network than from what a unknown photographer will provide.
Stay safe/have fun.
Model
Stormee
Posts: 2463
San Antonio, Texas, US
Photographer
ChrisWalburnPhotography
Posts: 41
Madison, Tennessee, US
You could always just shoot with gay photographers like me.
Photographer
Lawrence Guy
Posts: 17716
San Diego Country Estates, California, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Try telling that to all the model agencies who organise test shoots for their models on a daily basis. Model agencies =/= guy shooting out of his apartment.
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
Matt Knowles wrote:
Some women have cute nipples, some don't. What I consider cute nipples is my own preference and has nothing to do with anyone else's opinion. I understand your point, but is this part really necessary?
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
How do I guarantee my safety while doing nude shoots in private places without an escort? A. Like others have said, do your homework. Network with models in your area. Check references.
B. Text a friend before going to the shoot and let them know where you are and who you are with. Text them every so often (when the timing is appropriate, of course) and let them know you're ok. Text them when you get home.
That said, even with those precautions set there is no way to totally guarantee safety. I'm afraid that's just a fact of life. So you'll have to gauge how much risk you're willing to take to do this.
Side note: nude shoots are not inherently more dangerous than others. My only truly awful experience with a photographer from MM was during a totally clothed shoot. Go figure.
Photographer
Daniel Norton
Posts: 1745
New York, New York, US
Lawrence Guy wrote:
Model agencies =/= guy shooting out of his apartment. Really? I tested for years in Miami and NYC shooting out of my apartment (now I have a studio) never had a modeling agency blink an eye.
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13899
Louisville, Kentucky, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
A. Like others have said, do your homework. Network with models in your area. Check references.
B. Text a friend before going to the shoot and let them know where you are and who you are with. Text them every so often (when the timing is appropriate, of course) and let them know you're ok. Text them when you get home.
That said, even with those precautions set there is no way to totally guarantee safety. I'm afraid that's just a fact of life. So you'll have to gauge how much risk you're willing to take to do this.
Side note: nude shoots are not inherently more dangerous than others. My only truly awful experience with a photographer from MM was during a totally clothed shoot. Go figure. This is great advice- however I'd change texting before and after to calling. I call when I arrive at the photographer's location, and again when I leave. I text the address and phone number, as well as the length the shoot is originally set for to my base contact before the shoot. I've NEVER had a situation I needed rescue from- and I've been doing nudes, fetish and all sorts of crazy stuff, all over the country, in isolated locations alone with photographers, for years.
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13899
Louisville, Kentucky, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
Also i have another question:
How can i guarantee my safety when modeling nude in a private place without an escort?
Am i just supposed to blindly trust them? References wouldn't work... they could have a friend or anybody pretend that they are someone that worked with them.
Any GOOD suggestions? You can't guarantee your safety sitting in your locked house, holding a gun and a can of Mace, with an army of Rottweilers patrolling the yard. Planes fall out of the sky.
Chances of you getting killed on a photo shoot, by a photographer.... 2 in about 20 billion.
Photographer
Flex Photography
Posts: 6471
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
Mark Salo wrote:
Contact the models that he has credited under their images and on his profile page. If he doesn't show credits, don't shoot with him. Not showing credits isn't evil, but showing them helps you. Do your due diligence! If the photographer credits and lists his models in his profile, (as I do) rather than accept a reference offered by him, contact some of them directly, to ask about him.
I encourage my new models to randomly do this with me. Here is a recent reply message from one who did just that: "Hi Fred. Just thought you'd might like to know you come highly recommended. I'm glad I got to chat with one of your models and she said very nice things about you. Hope that makes your day brighter!
She also commented on the quality of pictures you take, but I already knew that!"
Photographer
Kincaid Blackwood
Posts: 23492
Los Angeles, California, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Please don't put Mr. Blackwood on your creep list.
Once you get to know him, he's a very nice guy. Thoughtful and talented too. You silver-tongued devil you…
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2513
Campobello, South Carolina, US
I want on this list. Will I have to pay?
Photographer
Jay Leavitt
Posts: 6745
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
The compcard is a great idea!!! While not necessarily a comp card, I've been shooting 'polaroids" for quite a bit of the studio shoots I do (it only takes a minute) and I've gotten loads of 'thank yous' from local photographers because they know exactly what's showing up when a model is booked.
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Photographer
Kincaid Blackwood
Posts: 23492
Los Angeles, California, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
that may be true, but he is showing alot of rudeness and immaturity. I may be wrong about some of the things that I posted, and thats fine, please point that out and tell me! BUt there is no reason to be an A**hole . Pfft! Flattery will get you nowhere, Autumn.
First things first: if you want to talk about rudeness and immaturity, we can have that discussion. As many have noted, it was not particularly classy of you to condemn the photographer to the creepy category for what is -at worst- misleading business correspondence and -at best- him attempting to test with you without wasting his own time and money. It might seem like snapping a couple of photos of you in the den is sufficient but as much as possible, you should test under the same lighting conditions you plan to use for the real thing.
Secondly, the idea that you are in peril by working with a photographer you don't know is a statistical improbability. That's not me trying to be a dick that me trying to sober you to reality. When was the last time you were assaulted by a mechanic working on your car? I would wager that it's never happened to you and, by extension, that you don't take "backup." Women often take a guy with them because they think a mechanic won't gouge them on prices with a guy around (but it still happens because mechanics know odds too: most people -male or female- don't know anything about cars). It's a game of probability.
Now, you're taking an escort with you because you think it's unsafe but you really ought to look at why you think that to begin with. Is it because you'll be nude? Is it simply because you're a woman? Is it because you've heard first hand accounts? Is it because you see data backing it up? I'd ask you: in the last 5 years, can you find 3 cases where a woman's life was threatened on a photoshoot by a photographer? What about 3 cases where a woman was sexually assaulted on one? Now, what about life-threatening situations etc with significant others? Tons of data there; I know this for fact (and, as an aside, when it comes to the photographer feeling nervous, I can cite one case in the last 3 years where a photographer was murdered by a llama and her boyfriend).
But the reason you don't require an escort when you spend time around the house with your boyfriend is because you trust him to be who he is. You trust the mechanic not to threaten your person, you just don't trust him to give you a fair price. You trust a cop not to shoot you on site but you don't trust him not to give you a BS ticket. You trust that your waiter won't violate your body but you can't trust him to not spit in your food if you give him a rough time. In all these things, the ways in which you trust (or not) a person in a given profession is somehow earned. The question is: how the heck did photographers earn this reputation of being incapable of violating your person (because that's your expectation)?
Either someone filled your head with it or it happened to someone you know personally. I'm betting it's the former. Now, I've never been accused of being a man of few words but I tried presenting this in the concise version a page ago. If that makes me an asshole, believe me: I give no fucks.
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DELETED-ACCOUNT_
Posts: 10303
Los Angeles, California, US
Lawrence Guy wrote:
Model agencies =/= guy shooting out of his apartment. So wrong....
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Lawrence Guy wrote:
Model agencies =/= guy shooting out of his apartment. Like to guess where my avatar was shot? 
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Photographer
Jay Leavitt
Posts: 6745
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Like to guess where my avatar was shot? Kitchen?
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
Lawrence Guy wrote:
Model agencies =/= guy shooting out of his apartment. When I first started testing with agencies, it was before I had a studio. Although I don't think I shot within my apartment with any of them, I did various location, as well as a little walk-up rental studio. The booker just asked me the address for where she should appear. It could have just as easily been my apartment. The resultant images are what did/does matter.
Photographer
eybdoog
Posts: 2647
New York, New York, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
2) Can I just put up some nude photos of myself so that the photographer can see my body so I don't have to let them take their own pictures of me that they could keep without my permission? here is an honest question/answer. Why would you want to only put nude photos of yourself on the internet if you don't want to get paid for other photographers to photograph you nude? It seems like you are not comfortable with the idea of doing nude photography to begin with, but you like the money from it. One goes with the other basically, and most of the people that hire you will be GWC's because most of the established photographers do not pay unless someone is paying for them to hire someone (and those jobs will often not be nude work unless it includes some nudity in fashion sometimes).
My suggestion, if you are not comfortable putting nudes up in your portfolio, and working with photographers that are willing to pay you to photograph you nude, then stop doing nude photo work right now. There are many models (check out the nude model network here on MM if you search the forums) that do nude work with many different photographers with no issues because they do their homework before a shoot.
but again, your question does not make sense, and honestly it sounds like you are very inexperienced and over reacting. Start talking with other models that do nudes too. Networking, and finding out what they do will help you if you do wish to pursue this path. Starting drama on forums and calling someone creepy who was probably no more than a GWC that was actually going to shoot vs. whatever else you were thinking will not help. Communication before shoots is also a very good idea to outline all of the terms of the shoot before hand. That way you won't get any surprises. good luck
Photographer
eybdoog
Posts: 2647
New York, New York, US
Photographer
Jay Leavitt
Posts: 6745
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
John Allan wrote:
When I first started testing with agencies, it was before I had a studio. Although I don't think I shot within my apartment with any of them. They come to my apartment.
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Photographer
Coarse Art
Posts: 3729
Lexington, Ohio, US
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 3351
London, England, United Kingdom
Mark Salo wrote:
Contact the models that he has credited under their images and on his profile page. If he doesn't show credits, don't shoot with him. crediting is so overrated and limited to just those on MM.
all my recent photos are uncredited, so I guess that makes me a serial killer, unless you ask the countless people I've worked with, my Net presence, or local model community.
people just don't network via MM anymore, although the forums are fun. :-)
Photographer
Mike Adams Photos
Posts: 1217
Cleveland, Ohio, US
Darren Brade wrote:
people just don't network via MM anymore, although the forums are fun. :-) +1
Very few of the models I have worked with are here. The biggest entertainment for me here is the forums.
Photographer
Varton
Posts: 2755
New York, New York, US
Darren Brade wrote:
people just don't network via MM anymore, although the forums are fun. :-) +1
Most use Facebook
Model
Goodbye4
Posts: 2532
Los Angeles, California, US
The truth is that meeting a creep at some point is almost inevitable. Trust your gut when communicating with photographers online. If you get any sort of a bad vibe, don't work with them.
If you show up and somebody acts in a creepy or rude manner, or tries to bait and switch in any way the terms that you've agreed on, gather your things and leave. Honestly. The photos are never THAT important that you need to stay. This person is not acting like a professional, they don't respect you and are not worthy of another minute of your day. It sucks to have your time wasted, but it's better than feeling unsafe, disrespected or used.
Photographer
American Glamour
Posts: 38813
Detroit, Michigan, US
Kelleth wrote:
The truth is that meeting a creep at some point is almost inevitable. I have always said, the odds of being physically or sexually assaulted on a shoot a quite small. The chances that you will run into a creep are almost 100% This isn't about danger but it is about inappropriate behavior. Let's not confuse the two.
Model
Goodbye4
Posts: 2532
Los Angeles, California, US
GPS Studio Services wrote:
I have always said, the odds of being physically or sexually assaulted on a shoot a quite small. The chances that you will run into a creep are almost 100% This isn't about danger but it is about inappropriate behavior. Let's not confuse the two. Absolutely.
Photographer
TouchofEleganceStudios
Posts: 5480
Vallejo, California, US
Oh crap. I checked the list and I am not there.
:-)
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 13053
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Lawrence Guy wrote:
Model agencies =/= guy shooting out of his apartment. What! Given the cost of studio time in the city its very uncommon for a test to be done any other way. Even if a photographer has his own studio he could rent it out for many times what a paid test would bring it let alone an unpaid test.
I was amazed how cheap things are when I moved down south...
Photographer
MC Seoul Photography
Posts: 469
Seoul, Seoul, Korea (South)
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
I understand your point, but is this part really necessary? It might be..depending on the shoot and what you're going for. If you're going to shoot X, you want to have a genuine idea before hand that the model can do that thing as you want it.
You might get that from pre-existing shots, and if not, you might want to shoot a few test shots first to see how it looks.
Photographer
Matt Knowles
Posts: 3592
Ferndale, California, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
I understand your point, but is this part really necessary? Yes it is. She said you could judge her breasts by the photos she has posted in her portfolio. You can't. Not unless your particular fetish is yellow flowers.
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
Photographers who take nude photographers of you get to *keep* all kinds of photos you may never know about or see. If your'e not okay with that, you may want to reconsider nude modeling.
Check references. Use good judgement. If you're a dramatic and paranoid personality type, nude modeling is only going to complicate your life.
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
OBVIOUSLY I need to reword this question.
1) How do I guarantee my safety while doing nude shoots in private places without an escort?
2) Can I just put up some nude photos of myself so that the photographer can see my body so I don't have to let them take their own pictures of me that they could keep without my permission?
Once again, can i please have some honest answers. Please keep your sarcasm and insults to yourself. 1) How do I guarantee MY safety while working with someone I don't know? It goes both ways.
2) Yes, of course you can put up any photos you want, especially if you want to get hired for nudes, it would be wise to post full nudes.
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
1) How do I guarantee MY safety while working with someone I don't know? It goes both ways.
2) Yes, of course you can put up any photos you want, especially if you want to get hired for nudes, it would be wise to post full nudes. Hey!! I'm the one that got kidnapped by a couple of women posing as a "model and escort!" If anyone needs protection, it's me!  That was back in 1992, before the Internet. I've learned a hell of a lot since then. Like for example, don't go looking for models at night clubs. We are still complete strangers until we've vetted each other. You can read my methods of avoiding "flakes" well that is part of the reason I don't have a problem with invited guests ... people I know or have been introduced to previously. It's strangers that I don't shoot with. You're a stranger until I've vetted you. If a model thinks I'm a "stranger" well then don't shoot with me.
Photographer
Daeda1us
Posts: 1067
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
Is there a report option or some way we can warn other models after a bad experience with a photographer they met on MM?
I had met up with one to do a nude shoot recently that could have ended up a lot worse if i didn't trust mine and my escorts gut feeling.
We arrived at the apartment of the photographer. He comes out to shake our hands and looks INCREDIBLY NERVOUS. Now don't you think a professional wouldn't be nervous? I was there to be paid, so he isn't the one being critiqued, I am. After we got inside, he goes on to mention that he needs me to do a "test shoot" which is basically a BS term for FREE PHOTOS. Basically wanted me to drive out with him (oh and of course his car was so full of equipment, my escort could not come with us) and let him take free photos of me to "see if he wants to shot me" (completely naked, and in a desert spot in vegas)
It was at this point, we made it clear to him that if he wants to photograph me naked, he is going to have to pay. It is simply insulting to insist that a model expose herself to you without any compensation. Especially for me, for in my profile photos, you can tell the size of my breasts very easily, and you can see that they don't sag, so there isn't any reason to do a "test shot"
I know there are models out there hungry for work. I don't want some girl who doesn't know any better to be in this situation but not know that she should walk out.
My question is, where do we report these freaks? Death of Field wrote:
There is not special list of creeps that is published.
If another person asks for recommendation about him/her you can tell them your experiences working with them. If you have a current blog that works as well. You can post on your MM profile MM#111111 Not Recommended Thank you for quoting this OP before it was changed. Without this information, many of the comments are difficult to understand.
Daeda1us
Photographer
Jon Winkleman Photo
Posts: 152
Providence, Rhode Island, US
As a legal consideration, you should never publicly list someone as "creepy" as it would be very easy for them to sue you for slander or libel regardless of whether they treated you fairly or respectfully.
Even smart employers are very careful with their words when someone checks a reference for a past employee who they would not want to recommend.
Sometimes they will just say that person worked here from this date to that date and not say anything more. This very loud silence about anything else makes their real opinion quite clear.
If someone is actually predatory, they assault, menace or otherwise cross boundaries and cause harm, report them to the police. If someone is a bad business person report them to the Better Business Bureau. Let official watchdogs be the bad cops. If you take personal revenge you can hurt yourself.
A better option is to create a list of "photographers or models I would like to work with again." The omission of someone you shot with before will be heard loudly.
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
Autumn Keopualani White wrote:
OBVIOUSLY I need to reword this question. OBVIOUSLY you did.
Just for future reference, rewording your question and altering your original post aren't exactly the same thing.
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That was back in 1992, before the Internet. I've learned a hell of a lot since then. Like for example, don't go looking for models at night clubs. We are still complete strangers until we've vetted each other. You can read my methods of avoiding "flakes" well that is part of the reason I don't have a problem with invited guests ... people I know or have been introduced to previously. It's strangers that I don't shoot with. You're a stranger until I've vetted you. If a model thinks I'm a "stranger" well then don't shoot with me.