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Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


That, if you are advertising as a nude model, especially casting calls and such, that you have in your portfolio, images that clearly show your body to potential clients who would considering hiring you?

As a photographer I want to know what you look like, what I have to work with and any issues I may need to address either in capture or in post.

As examples, if you have skin (lol) is in tanned, or striped with tan lines, or alabaster white?  Covered with tattoos, warts, scars or hair?

If you have breasts, are they big, small or nonexistent?  Are they "perky" or droopy.  Are they real, enhanced or reduced?  Are there any scars to consider?  I can't tell this from a bathing suit shot.  Or one where you are so hunched over or heavily shadowed or cropped.

I like to know the shape and tone of the various parts of the body, including the abdomen, thighs, calves and upper arms.

You could make up a simple four up collage that shows all sides of your body and it would only take up one image in your portfolio.  If you don't have one, I am sure a local photographer would be happy to make one for you on a TF basis.

Thanks for your consideration of this topic.

UPDATE:  OK, some have taken umbrage to my choice of words as being too strong or belittling.  That was not my intention, so if you can look past that, please do.

Also, it seems necessary to point out that this is about models who advertise their availability for this specific genre of work, not just approaching the random model.  In other words they are posting their OWN castings or travel notices, etc.

So the real question, boiled down is, Do you think it makes more sense for them to have a sample image(s) in their portfolio supporting the type of work they are advertising their for.  Yes we all know we can just ask them for more information.  The question is, wouldn't it be better if we didn't have to?
Jun 17 13 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
JessieLeigh
Posts: 2,013
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I guess sending a model a message to ask for a current photo is too much to ask of photographers...
Jun 17 13 10:38 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


On the one hand, I say when a girl applies to nude castings with no nude photos, just ask to see her nude work.

On the other hand, I know there are some inexperienced girls who will think that's creepy, which could be a deterrent from you doing so.

But, back to the first hand, do you really want to work with those girls anyway?
Jun 17 13 10:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kens Lens
Posts: 804
Aurora, Colorado, US


You will never change what others do so change what you do, move on to another model that has what you are looking for.
Jun 17 13 10:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Naughty Ties
Posts: 3,125
Riverview, Florida, US


JessieLeigh wrote:
I guess sending a model a message to ask for a current photo is too much to ask of photographers...

Actually yes it is. If a model is actively advertising that she does nude work why is the onus on the photographer do chase down images of her to see if said model is what he's looking for? That's what a portfolio is for.

Jun 17 13 10:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,411
San Francisco, California, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
On the one hand, I say when a girl applies to nude castings with no nude photos, just ask to see her nude work.

On the other hand, I know there are some inexperienced girls who will think that's creepy, which could be a deterrent from you doing so.

It's a catch-22, isn't it?

K I C K H A M wrote:
But, back to the first hand, do you really want to work with those girls anyway?

For me, it would depend on the project.  Sometimes I care and other times, I just don't.

Jun 17 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JAE
Posts: 2,113
West Chester, Pennsylvania, US


There are a lot of models out there. When I come across this I just move on to someone else.
Jun 17 13 10:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


Naughty Ties wrote:

Actually yes it is. If a model is actively advertising that she does nude work why is the onus on the photographer do chase down images of her to see if said model is what he's looking for? That's what a portfolio is for.

The problem with this logic is that most of the girls in the forums are here a lot. We read, discuss and learn a lot from each other. Therefore, the audience you get here isn't really the audience you're trying to address.

When you come in and tell models what they need to/ should do, you stand the risk of annoying the good, dedicated models who may feel they're being talked down to, while the models you are actually trying to get through to generally don't pay attention or try to learn anyway.

Jun 17 13 10:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Solas
Posts: 9,486
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


JessieLeigh wrote:
I guess sending a model a message to ask for a current photo is too much to ask of photographers...

LOL + 1

Jun 17 13 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
Tiffany_B
Posts: 1,325
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, US


JessieLeigh wrote:
I guess sending a model a message to ask for a current photo is too much to ask of photographers...

Is it too much to ask for a model to have something as basic as a recent and clear image in her portfolio, one that relates to the type of modeling she claims to be able to do?

While I always ask the models I want to work with to supply both a basic recent image and their current stats, the truth is I shouldn't have to do these things. Just as I'm expected to show up on set with the type of wardrobe discussed for the shoot and/or be able to provide links to the work of the designer, a models online portfolio should contain basic information relative to the type of work she does and that means having clear nude images if she's actively presenting herself as a nude model.

Beyond that you'd be amazed by the number of models that respond with attitude relative to these requests, like I'm some sort of strange pervert for asking to see an updated headshot if I notice in their profile that they've changed their hair recently or if I request to see just how big their "small" tattoo is because they don't have any shots that give any indication or if I ask for current measurements because I want to do something as bizarre as make sure that the wardrobe fits...I could go on but I won't.

The point is that if you expect professionalism on one side of the lens, you should expect it on the other side as well...

Jun 17 13 11:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
nyk fury
Posts: 2,918
Port Townsend, Washington, US


Innovative Imagery wrote:
That, if you are advertising as a nude model...
...Thanks for your consideration of this topic.

um, if the person isn't smart enough to already be doing that, wouldn't that be like a red flag for you, and just move along?

Jun 17 13 11:13 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


Tiffany_B wrote:

Is it too much to ask for a model to have something as basic as a recent and clear image in her portfolio, one that relates to the type of modeling she claims to be able to do?

While I always ask the models I want to work with to supply both a basic recent image and their current stats, the truth is I shouldn't have to do these things. Just as I'm expected to show up on set with the type of wardrobe discussed for the shoot and/or be able to provide links to the work of the designer, a models online portfolio should contain basic information relative to the type of work she does and that means having clear nude images if she's actively presenting herself as a nude model.

Beyond that you'd be amazed by the number of models that respond with attitude relative to these requests, like I'm some sort of strange pervert for asking to see an updated headshot if I notice in their profile that they've changed their hair recently or if I request to see just how big their "small" tattoo is because they don't have any shots that give any indication or if I ask for current measurements because I want to do something as bizarre as make sure that the wardrobe fits...I could go on but I won't.

The point is that if you expect professionalism on one side of the lens, you should expect it on the other side as well...

She's not debating that.

The point is that you're addressing us, the forum-going and generally experienced models, and your message is falling on the wrong audience.

Jun 17 13 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
Tiffany_B
Posts: 1,325
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
She's not debating that.

The point is that you're addressing us, the forum-going and generally experienced models, and your message is falling on the wrong audience.

With all due respect my response was based on what was said, not whatever meaning may have existed behind it. And at face value and without tone, what was said comes off as either antagonistic or flippant.

Just as you as  models may not want someone to tell you what you should be doing, you have to understand that goes both ways...

Jun 17 13 11:23 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


Tiffany_B wrote:

With all due respect my response was based on what was said, not whatever meaning may have existed behind it. And at face value and without tone, what was said comes off as either antagonistic or flippant.

Just as you as  models may not want someone to tell you what you should be doing, you have to understand that goes both ways...

I understand that. I was just explaining because I thought it was misinterpreted. smile

Jun 17 13 11:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,407
The Woodlands, Texas, US


I just show up at my job interviews naked to avoid any confusion.  Sometimes it causes five car pileups on the freeway with a few fatalities, but ya know, I got art to make. 

cool
Jun 17 13 12:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GeorgeMann
Posts: 1,148
Orange, California, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
She's not debating that.

The point is that you're addressing us, the forum-going and generally experienced models, and your message is falling on the wrong audience.

Isn't it fairly safe to assume that the model referred to might just be reading forum posts even though she does not participate in the discussion.
Often times posts with very few replies have dozens of views, can't some of those views be hers?

Jun 17 13 12:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rik Austin
Posts: 10,844
Austin, Texas, US


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
I just show up at my job interviews naked to avoid any confusion.  Sometimes it causes five car pileups on the freeway with a few fatalities, but ya know, I got art to make. 

cool

lol

Jun 17 13 12:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rob Photosby
Posts: 2,428
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
I just show up at my job interviews naked to avoid any confusion.  Sometimes it causes five car pileups on the freeway with a few fatalities, but ya know, I got art to make. 

cool

If only all models shared your attitude!!

Jun 17 13 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Reid
Posts: 4,080
Miami, Florida, US


I'm going to start posting parts pictures. Right boob, left boob, under boob, right cheek, left cheek, belly button, arm pit, left nostril...
Jun 17 13 05:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Miss Photog
Posts: 287
VALLEY VILLAGE, California, US


if a model advertises that she does nude modeling, then there should be nude pics in her portfolio (or the very least a link to a personal website or somewhere else with nude pics). If someone wanted me to hire them as a nude model (or even do trade) but had no nudes in their port, I wouldn't be interested.

And I'm speaking as a photographer AND model. I am a full time model, specializing in fine art nudes.
Jun 17 13 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


GeorgeMann wrote:

Isn't it fairly safe to assume that the model referred to might just be reading forum posts even though she does not participate in the discussion.
Often times posts with very few replies have dozens of views, can't some of those views be hers?

I try to think of things with a good business sense.

When a photographer comes in and says, "What you models REALLY need to do is..." he or she is most likely going to turn off some of the more active, experienced models.

The benefit would be that potentially one of the less experienced models could read it and learn from it.

"Is it too much to ask?" is not the best way to go into an informative thread. If I were wanting to give unsolicited advice, I might message the new girls who have responded to my casting. I might post in the newbie forum. Or perhaps I would say, "Casting responses/ portfolios I'm most likely to respond to."

When you start at a point of complaining rather than educating, you sound more like you're ranting than sincerely trying to help. This is the part that annoys the more experienced models.

As a model, I try to not blanket-annoy my potential clients and collaborators.

Jun 17 13 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T-D-L
Posts: 10,303
Los Angeles, California, US


You could just ask to see examples of nudes, or even digitals/polaroids if you just need to see what her body looks like w/o clothing.  Probably would have taken a fraction of the time it took to type out the OP too lol
Jun 17 13 07:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


T-D-L wrote:
You could just ask to see examples of nudes, or even digitals/polaroids if you just need to see what her body looks like w/o clothing.  Probably would have taken a fraction of the time it took to type out the OP too lol

Clearly, you're a pervert.




tongue

Jun 17 13 07:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,322
Upland, California, US


To Innovative Imagery --

Innovative Imagery wrote:
That, if you are advertising as a nude model, especially casting calls and such, that you have in your portfolio, images that clearly show your body to potential clients who would considering hiring you?

As a photographer I want to know what you look like, what I have to work with and any issues I may need to address either in capture or in post.

As examples, if you have skin (lol) is in tanned, or striped with tan lines, or alabaster white?  Covered with tattoos, warts, scars or hair?

If you have breasts, are they big, small or nonexistent?  Are they "perky" or droopy.  Are they real, enhanced or reduced?  Are there any scars to consider?  I can't tell this from a bathing suit shot.  Or one where you are so hunched over or heavily shadowed or cropped.

I like to know the shape and tone of the various parts of the body, including the abdomen, thighs, calves and upper arms.

You could make up a simple four up collage that shows all sides of your body and it would only take up one image in your portfolio.  If you don't have one, I am sure a local photographer would be happy to make one for you on a TF basis.

Thanks for your consideration of this topic.

If the model is new, I'll ask for untouched full body nudes of her front, back, and both sides. They can be emailed or posted on MM. Otherwise, I move on.

Jun 17 13 07:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T-D-L
Posts: 10,303
Los Angeles, California, US


K I C K H A M wrote:

Clearly, you're a pervert.




tongue

Obviously lol

Jun 17 13 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,928
Santa Ana, California, US


You think that's strange - I today got a response from a fashion casting from a model who has no images of her face in her port.
Jun 17 13 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Louis Li Photography
Posts: 120
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


I don't ask,I just move on.
Jun 17 13 07:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charlie-CNP
Posts: 2,620
New York, New York, US


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
I just show up at my job interviews naked to avoid any confusion.  Sometimes it causes five car pileups on the freeway with a few fatalities, but ya know, I got art to make. 

cool

hahaha big_smile

Jun 17 13 07:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 36,413
Columbus, Ohio, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
But, back to the first hand, do you really want to work with those girls anyway?

Two started their nude work with me, the other right near the start.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1223875
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1682208
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1153250

Essentially I was in the same position. It's a guessing game, that sometimes goes right.

They all came within a couple months of each other. I stopped for awhile.....ya know, the look a gift horse in the mouth thing. smile

Jun 17 13 07:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


Cherrystone wrote:

Two started their nude work with me, the other right near the start.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1223875
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1682208
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1153250

Essentially I was in the same position. It's a guessing game, that sometimes goes right.

They all came within a couple months of each other. I stopped for awhile.....ya know, the look a gift horse in the mouth thing. smile

Ah, my post was vague:
I don't mean "do you really want to work with newbies?" I mean, "Do you really want to work with newbies who think you're a creeper for asking to see nude photos before booking a nude shoot?"

Jun 17 13 08:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Amber Dawn - Colorado
Posts: 6,072
Castle Rock, Colorado, US


I never had any nudes in my portfolio when I got hired for nude images. I don't see why it matters if the model has them or not maybe they are just starting out and havent done any nude shoots.
Jun 17 13 08:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


Colorado Model Amber wrote:
I never had any nudes in my portfolio when I got hired for nude images. I don't see why it matters if the model has them or not maybe they are just starting out and havent done any nude shoots.

Because knowing what a model's body looks like is important when planning a nude shoot.

Jun 17 13 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 768
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Colorado Model Amber wrote:
I never had any nudes in my portfolio when I got hired for nude images. I don't see why it matters if the model has them or not maybe they are just starting out and havent done any nude shoots.

I suspect that any photographer hiring a nude model without seeing her nudes probably doesn't care what she looks like nude....just that she's nude.

Jun 17 13 08:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Isaiah Brink
Posts: 2,031
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Innovative Imagery wrote:
That, if you are advertising as a nude model, especially casting calls and such, that you have in your portfolio, images that clearly show your body to potential clients who would considering hiring you?

As a photographer I want to know what you look like, what I have to work with and any issues I may need to address either in capture or in post.

As examples, if you have skin (lol) is in tanned, or striped with tan lines, or alabaster white?  Covered with tattoos, warts, scars or hair?

If you have breasts, are they big, small or nonexistent?  Are they "perky" or droopy.  Are they real, enhanced or reduced?  Are there any scars to consider?  I can't tell this from a bathing suit shot.  Or one where you are so hunched over or heavily shadowed or cropped.

I like to know the shape and tone of the various parts of the body, including the abdomen, thighs, calves and upper arms.

You could make up a simple four up collage that shows all sides of your body and it would only take up one image in your portfolio.  If you don't have one, I am sure a local photographer would be happy to make one for you on a TF basis.

Thanks for your consideration of this topic.

In all reality, yes it is too much to ask, and it's a really simple premiss.  A model gets shoots based on first and foremost, their looks, the photographer gets the gig based on skill, so it doesn't matter what the photographer looks like.

Jun 17 13 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,876
Seattle, Washington, US


Expecting a model to have nudes (for an "experimental" TF shoot, per your casting) when you don't have any examples of nudes posted in *your* port is a bit of a double standard, don't you think?  How's the model supposed to know you can produce nude images that will be worth her time to trade with you?
Jun 17 13 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 768
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


K I C K H A M wrote:

Because knowing what a model's body looks like is important when planning a nude shoot.

It's also important to know what you look like nude when planning a non-nude shoot. Please send pics ASAP. tongue

Jun 17 13 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 768
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


MelissaAnn  wrote:
Expecting a model to have nudes (for an "experimental" TF shoot, per your casting) when you don't have any examples of nudes posted in your port is a bit of a double standard, don't you think?  How's the model supposed to know you can produce nude images that will be worth her time to trade with you?

Well, in defense of the OP (on this particular point only) he was talking about hiring models.

Jun 17 13 08:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,876
Seattle, Washington, US


SPV Photo wrote:
Well, in defense of the OP (on this particular point only) he was talking about hiring models.

Check his casting http://www.modelmayhem.com/casting/1784698

He's casting for TF nudes.

Jun 17 13 08:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Colorado Model Amber wrote:
I never had any nudes in my portfolio when I got hired for nude images. I don't see why it matters if the model has them or not maybe they are just starting out and havent done any nude shoots.
K I C K H A M wrote:
Because knowing what a model's body looks like is important when planning a nude shoot.

You creepy old guys always say stuff like that.

Jun 17 13 08:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 768
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


MelissaAnn  wrote:

Check his casting http://www.modelmayhem.com/casting/1784698

He's casting for TF nudes.

Okay yeah, he should probably not expect to get experienced nude models to respond to his casting call without showing the type of work he can do.

Jun 17 13 08:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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