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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

It looks like it will be here, full frame and all

https://thenewcamera.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Sony-A7-Leaked-Image.jpg

https://thenewcamera.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Sony-A7R-Leaked-Image.jpg

A7 is less than $1700, and A7r is $2200.  I thought I would be safe not buying any camera body for a long while after buying the D800 last year.  It looks like I will be wrong again.  big_smile

The body look small.  Love the beefy handle. smile

http://thenewcamera.com/category/sony-rumors/

Oct 14 13 07:12 pm Link

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Stanley

Posts: 571

Los Angeles, California, US

Canon came out with the first consumer available FF DSLR camera w/ the 5D. 

Sony will be the first with a full frame EVIL. 

Considering Sony purchased their whole DSLR Camera division from Konica Minolta just a few years ago, it's pretty amazing how far they've moved along.  They've continued to be industry leaders, not only photography, but in the motion picture industry.  The PMW-EX1 was one of the first few CineALTA cameras with solid state storage using SD Cards and at 1080p, and then the NEX models like the FS100U.

While Canon was still chasing their tails trying to figure out the AF issue in the 1D Mark III, and watching to see how everybody else's experiments sold before they even came out w/ their own half ass attempts in the EVIL M and digital camcorders like the XF300, not to mention taking 3 years to come out with a half assed 5D2 successor.

Canon is way behind.

Sony is way ahead.

Oct 14 13 07:59 pm Link

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safe as houses

Posts: 435

Schaumburg, Illinois, US

It sure is ugly.

Oct 14 13 08:05 pm Link

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HJM Photography

Posts: 1485

Malibu, California, US

Cool!  I've been waiting awhile for this. smile  I am already using the Son NEX-6 to shoot video and love its quality/bokeh/auto face detection/slow motion 60p/etc.

Depending how it tests, I may replace my Nikon D800E & 70-200 mm F/2.8 with the new FF mirrorless Sony and an equivalent lens.  Will be lighter for my dual rig for stills & video which has a nikon d800e on top and a sony nex-6 on the bottom with a 50mm F/1.8 prime, which is ~ the equivalent of 70mm on a full frame d800e:

https://45surf.smugmug.com/Other/Pretty-Blonde-Swimsuit-Bikini/i-WqstZ3d/0/M/8439531722_1ea76dceb5_o-M.jpg

When does it go on sale?

Oct 14 13 08:17 pm Link

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R.EYE.R

Posts: 3436

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

Sony announcement is expected this Wednesday around 6.00 GMT.
Accidentally, a typhoon is scheduled to hit Tokyo same day..

Oct 14 13 08:20 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

It sure is ugly.  But it has all the things I wish my NEX-7 had:

- A more-or-less standard hotshoe
- More clearly differentiated shutter speed/EV control dials.  I keep turning the wrong one by mistake.
- Enough space on the side panels to accommodate a cable release.  It might not be in there, but it would certainly fit.
- And if I'm REALLY lucky, you'll have to push a button to change the ISO, instead of just rotating the rear dial.  I can't tell you how many times I've accidentally jacked up my ISO with my thumb while using the viewfinder.

I'll probably buy the 36MP A7r as soon as possible - I've actually been saving for it for a while, since I knew it had to come out sooner or later.  The idea of using my favourite Schneider M42 lenses with what is presumably a D800 sensor is just too good for me.

Oct 14 13 08:22 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Sony also released the first 35mm DSLRS under $2k.  It was a big move in the market even if they managed to only get a small percentage of the performance out of the sensor that Nikon did.

Oct 14 13 08:23 pm Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

Posts: 10604

Los Angeles, California, US

Stanley wrote:
Canon came out with the first consumer available FF DSLR camera w/ the 5D. 

Sony will be the first with a full frame EVIL. 

Considering Sony purchased their whole DSLR Camera division from Konica Minolta just a few years ago, it's pretty amazing how far they've moved along.  They've continued to be industry leaders, not only photography, but in the motion picture industry.  The PMW-EX1 was one of the first few CineALTA cameras with solid state storage using SD Cards and at 1080p, and then the NEX models like the FS100U.

While Canon was still chasing their tails trying to figure out the AF issue in the 1D Mark III, and watching to see how everybody else's experiments sold before they even came out w/ their own half ass attempts in the EVIL M and digital camcorders like the XF300, not to mention taking 3 years to come out with a half assed 5D2 successor.

Canon is way behind.

Sony is way ahead.

as a standard body...

Oct 14 13 08:23 pm Link

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Bare Essential Photos

Posts: 3605

Upland, California, US

Hey, I like this!

May not be the prettiest camera, but it's nice to see Sony leading the way with this FF mirrorless. If they're able to keep the price at around $2,000 dollars, it'll be a winner.

Bravo to Sony!

Oct 14 13 09:06 pm Link

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LightBrushedImages

Posts: 221

Columbia, Maryland, US

As a long-time A-mount user, I've not gotten into any E-mount cameras, because, of course, the A-mount is the "higher"-level gear, and important to have for doing "serious" photography.

Watching.  Rethinking...

Oct 14 13 09:25 pm Link

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Viator Defessus Photos

Posts: 1259

Houston, Texas, US

I just really like OVFs... I don't want an EVF.

Oct 14 13 09:46 pm Link

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K E S L E R

Posts: 11574

Los Angeles, California, US

Definitely picking up the 7R to go with my RX1 smile

Oct 14 13 10:53 pm Link

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FBY1K

Posts: 956

North Las Vegas, Nevada, US

This is quite interesting and the price isn't bad either. Interested in hearing what the pros and "joes" have to say about it.

FBY1K

Oct 15 13 12:12 am Link

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Yingwah Productions

Posts: 1557

New York, New York, US

Don't understand why they went with the ugly retro look, none of their other cameras are like that

Oct 15 13 12:14 am Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

Yingwah Productions wrote:
Don't understand why they went with the ugly retro look, none of their other cameras are like that

Nostalgia for the days of film..... it certainly looks a bit like my old Nikkormat.

https://sta.geg.cz/camera-picture/nikon-nikkormat-ft2.jpg

https://thenewcamera.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Sony-A7-Leaked-Image.jpg

Oct 15 13 01:17 am Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

Stanley wrote:
Canon is way behind.

Sony is way ahead.

Hmmm...

Canon 1D-X   
Canon EOS C300 and C500

a 70-200 that puts other brands primes to shame.
17mm tilt shift lens that looks amazing even when used with a MFDB

Oh and Canon didn't team up with those wingnuts at Hasselblad to make looney cameras.

I would not write off Canon just yet.

Oct 15 13 01:24 am Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

It will be very interesting to see what the EVF is like.

Might be a perfect companion for the NEw Ziess Otus 55mm 1.4 manual focus.

Oct 15 13 01:27 am Link

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Christian Garrido

Posts: 53

Riverside, California, US

cant wait to see this in action..shot with my buddie's sony setup before and i had to admit there was a nice vibrant warmth to the images straight out of the camera..im a canon dude but if this is as good as people claim it will be..might have to invest in this bad boy

Oct 15 13 01:34 am Link

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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

I am happy that Sony is taking the lead in mirrorless, hope others will follow.  It is good for the consumers.

Oct 15 13 08:57 am Link

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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:
I just really like OVFs... I don't want an EVF.

I hear you.  But I think EVF is here to stay, we just have to get used it.  Just like today's fighter pilots, they use electronic screen.  smile

Oct 15 13 09:01 am Link

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K E S L E R

Posts: 11574

Los Angeles, California, US

Love the ergonomics of the 7!  I HATE the RX1 ergo's.

Oct 15 13 09:03 am Link

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Kelvin Hammond

Posts: 17397

Billings, Montana, US

Fred Greissing wrote:
It will be very interesting to see what the EVF is like.

Might be a perfect companion for the NEw Ziess Otus 55mm 1.4 manual focus.

Well, so far, I think Sony EVF in the studio sucks, when used in conjunction with studio strobe.  It's like watching underlit video, and when you do fire a shot, the quick preview is colored blue, so you have to hit "play" to confirm it's shooting correctly. This is when you disable the rear screen simulation of wysiwyg. You can't compose the shot without using that setting (in the studio), because the screen is black. (using the NEX7) I'm not sure if the way the A7 is the same, but it's likely.  It's  feels like "forced chimping".

Outside though, or in available light where the screen is being used to show you exactly what you are shooting, it's dead on, spectacular.

Oct 15 13 09:12 am Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Smedley Whiplash wrote:

Well, so far, I think Sony EVF in the studio sucks, when used in conjunction with studio strobe.  It's like watching underlit video, and when you do fire a shot, the quick preview is colored blue, so you have to hit "play" to confirm it's shooting correctly. This is when you disable the rear screen simulation of wysiwyg. (using the NEX7) I'm not sure if the way the A7 is the same, but it's likely.  It's  feels like "forced chimping".

Outside though, or in available light where the screen is being used to show you exactly what you are shooting, it's dead on, spectacular.

I imagine the technology will get better.  Sony is after all sponsoring a few real pro shooters and getting their feedback for just that reason; well minus Nigel Barker that is just a marketing ploy.

Oct 15 13 09:16 am Link

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Kelvin Hammond

Posts: 17397

Billings, Montana, US

AJScalzitti wrote:

I imagine the technology will get better.  Sony is after all sponsoring a few real pro shooters and getting their feedback for just that reason; well minus Nigel Barker that is just a marketing ploy.

The really need to sponsor Kessler.  His work with the NEX7 is nothing short of amazing.

Oct 15 13 09:20 am Link

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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

Smedley Whiplash wrote:
Well, so far, I think Sony EVF in the studio sucks, when used in conjunction with studio strobe.  It's like watching underlit video, and when you do fire a shot, the quick preview is colored blue, so you have to hit "play" to confirm it's shooting correctly. This is when you disable the rear screen simulation of wysiwyg.

Yes, you have a point.  I haven't thought about that smile

Oct 15 13 10:29 am Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Smedley Whiplash wrote:

The really need to sponsor Kessler.  His work with the NEX7 is nothing short of amazing.

I concur, he gets everything out of that "little camera" anyone could need.

Oct 15 13 10:35 am Link

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Stanley

Posts: 571

Los Angeles, California, US

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
as a standard body...

I really have no idea what you mean by this.

Oct 15 13 12:11 pm Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

I would buy it in a beat if there was a Nikon lens adapter for this that supported AF etc. Use my Nikon lenses on it and maybe get a dedicated compact lens for it.

Would the Novoflex one work

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control … details&Q=

Oct 15 13 12:48 pm Link

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Phil Drinkwater

Posts: 4814

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

Really interesting camera. I think there's a good marker for high end mirrorless... I might even end up picking one up at some point!!

Oct 15 13 01:32 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

Smedley Whiplash wrote:

Well, so far, I think Sony EVF in the studio sucks, when used in conjunction with studio strobe.  It's like watching underlit video, and when you do fire a shot, the quick preview is colored blue, so you have to hit "play" to confirm it's shooting correctly. This is when you disable the rear screen simulation of wysiwyg. You can't compose the shot without using that setting (in the studio), because the screen is black. (using the NEX7) I'm not sure if the way the A7 is the same, but it's likely.  It's  feels like "forced chimping".

Outside though, or in available light where the screen is being used to show you exactly what you are shooting, it's dead on, spectacular.

I'm not getting colour issues with mine ... but I am having an equally hard time using it with strobes.  The modelling lights aren't bright enough to support a 1/60th exposure at f/8, so the camera jacks up the ISO on the preview image, making me focus using a noisy-as-hell image.  If I want to shoot at f/11, I need to open up, focus, and then stop down before the shot.  I've resorted to sticking a continuous light in the mix as well, so I have a good enough image to focus.

I figure about 2 more stops of ISO capability would fix this, but even one would make it better.

But I'm using legacy lenses almost exclusively ... so when I stop down to f/8, I'm focusing at f/8.  If I were using native-mount lenses, I suspect that my experiences would more closely resemble yours.

Oct 15 13 01:52 pm Link

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Viator Defessus Photos

Posts: 1259

Houston, Texas, US

Connor Photography wrote:

I hear you.  But I think EVF is here to stay, we just have to get used it.  Just like today's fighter pilots, they use electronic screen.  smile

The first camera I ever bought back in 2006 was a smaller fixed lens system with an EVF. It frustrated me back then and it drives me up the wall now, which is why I can't stand to use that camera anymore. If the EVF gets a LOT better I might grow more tolerant of it, but until then...

Oct 15 13 01:58 pm Link

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Robb Mann

Posts: 12327

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Anyone know if the Sony NEX lens mout is large enough to support full frame? Would any existing NEX lenses work on it? In theory??

Oct 15 13 03:48 pm Link

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Stanley

Posts: 571

Los Angeles, California, US

Fred Greissing wrote:

Hmmm...

Canon 1D-X   
Canon EOS C300 and C500

a 70-200 that puts other brands primes to shame.
17mm tilt shift lens that looks amazing even when used with a MFDB

Oh and Canon didn't team up with those wingnuts at Hasselblad to make looney cameras.

I would not write off Canon just yet.

The 1D X was not a huge departure from what has been made by Canon already.  A lot of people were expecting a higher resolution 1 series, not an amalgamation of the 1D and 1Ds.  Performance wise, it's not overly impressive over the 5D3.  The 5D3 was made with a slow SD Card, glaring omissions of a UHS-1 compatible card reader were done so on purpose because they didn't want to use a UHS-1.

Canon is a huge company, if they wanted to spend a little more money into firmware design, they could afford it and give us something pretty amazing over what the Magic Lantern guys have.  By allowing the Magic Lantern guys to continue their work, they can see what features are popular and basically have no liability when the firmware craps out their cameras.

As far as the C300 and C500, neither are ground breaking cameras.

Have you compared the C500 to the FS700 or the C300 to the FS100 at all?

Oct 15 13 04:43 pm Link

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Robb Mann

Posts: 12327

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Out of the 'big three' Sony is taking the most risks and innovating the most. I would go so far to say that combined Fuji and Sony are the most innovative camera companies today.

Canon and Nikon are too afraid of endangering existing camera sales to risk coming out with a product that directly competes. Thats why we saw them launch the EOS-M and the Nikon 1 while Sony launched the NEX series (which quickly overtook their Alpha DSLRs in sales).

Canon does seem to be suffering from a video fetish of late. Most of the improvements to the 5DIII directly improved video (new sensor) and offered only a little to still photography. The last time Canon and Nikon one-upped each other directly with a model was when Canon launched the 7D to best the D300s. 

Its weird times in the camera industry.

Oct 15 13 04:58 pm Link

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Happy Guy Photos

Posts: 1271

Upland, California, US

Robb Mann wrote:
Out of the 'big three' Sony is taking the most risks and innovating the most. I would go so far to say that combined Fuji and Sony are the most innovative camera companies today.

Canon and Nikon are too afraid of endangering existing camera sales to risk coming out with a product that directly competes. Thats why we saw them launch the EOS-M and the Nikon 1 while Sony launched the NEX series (which quickly overtook their Alpha DSLRs in sales).

Canon does seem to be suffering from a video fetish of late. Most of the improvements to the 5DIII directly improved video (new sensor) and offered only a little to still photography. The last time Canon and Nikon one-upped each other directly with a model was when Canon launched the 7D to best the D300s. 

Its weird times in the camera industry.

I'm actually hoping that Olympus will take a big leap by making a FF mirrorless camera.

Doesn't hurt to dream.

Oct 15 13 05:16 pm Link

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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

Happy Guy Photos wrote:
I'm actually hoping that Olympus will take a big leap by making a FF mirrorless camera.

Doesn't hurt to dream.

I was somewhat disappointed that when Olympus announced the new E-M1.

Oct 15 13 05:43 pm Link

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Viator Defessus Photos

Posts: 1259

Houston, Texas, US

Robb Mann wrote:
The last time Canon and Nikon one-upped each other directly with a model was when Canon launched the 7D to best the D300s.

I don't know if I can agree with you there. The D800 seems like a definite shot at the 5DIII, the D600 humiliates the 6D and the D3200 and D5200 both seem designed to put pressure on the Rebels and the XXD series.

Oct 15 13 06:07 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

Robb Mann wrote:
Anyone know if the Sony NEX lens mout is large enough to support full frame? Would any existing NEX lenses work on it? In theory??

I didn't think it was, but the VG-900 proved me wrong.  I expected something like a 1.2x crop factor.

I should think that this first generation of FF NEX cameras will from CA, vignetting, and softness in the corners when using non-E mount lenses 35mm or wider, as Leica had a similar problem.  The CA and vignetting can be corrected with software when using E mount lenses, so only the softness would be an issue with those.

Of course, that's assuming that (A) that's really the camera we're talking about here, and (B) Sony hasn't already corrected the problem.

Oct 15 13 06:24 pm Link

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Stanley

Posts: 571

Los Angeles, California, US

Someone just posted this pre-order links


BH Photo A7 Pre Order

BH Photo A7r Pre Order

Oct 15 13 11:04 pm Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

Oct 15 13 11:51 pm Link