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John Carrasco

Posts: 17485

San Francisco, California, US

rfordphotos wrote:
Well John, some of us dont think it is quite that simple.

While these are WONDERFUL shots, personally, and of course in my opinion, these are in no way shape form or fashion "headshots" and yet you allowed them in your contest....

https://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/avmphotography1/ancvl/ScreenHunter_10Jun111644_zps6353fdff.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4055/4246517978_3cf5e700c5_o.jpg

I dont think your sample image is actually a headshot, it is a glamor portrait---again in my humble opinion.

If no one else feels like I do, then I will shut the hell up---but you had to delete nearly HALF of today's entries John---I dont think I am the only one confused about your definition....

The sample is still a headshot weather its glamor or not. I've had three images deleted today which is not uncommon for this contest. Yet contestants simply dont follow rules. I feel that I have run this contest properly. Participation is, of course, optional. Thank you for your concern.

Jun 17 14 06:51 pm Link

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rfordphotos

Posts: 8866

Antioch, California, US

John Carrasco wrote:
The sample is still a headshot weather its glamor or not. I've had three images deleted today which is not uncommon for this contest. Yet contestants simply dont follow rules. I feel that I have run this contest properly. Participation is, of course, optional. Thank you for your concern.

John, that is certainly one way to look at it.

Another way to look at it might be that folks ARE reading the rules, but the rules are unclear.

Already today, you have deleted two submissions, with at least one more that should be deleted ___IF___ you are going to stick to your crop line as the deciding factor.

If you actually are interested in resolving the issue---why not post a link to this thread in the contest thread, to this question, and see how the folks who are active in the contest feel?

As you noted, of course, participation IS optional---- but if you keep deleting a significant portion of the daily entries---how much participation do you think you will continue to get????

Jun 18 14 11:40 am Link

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John Carrasco

Posts: 17485

San Francisco, California, US

rfordphotos wrote:
John, that is certainly one way to look at it.

Another way to look at is might be that folks ARE reading the rules, but the rules are unclear.

Already today, you have deleted two submissions, with at least one more that should be deleted ___IF___ you are going to stick to your crop line as the deciding factor.

If you actually are interested in resolving the issue---why not post a link to this thread in the contest thread, to this question, and see how the folks who are active in the contest feel?

As you noted, of course, participation IS optional---- but if you keep deleting a significant portion of the daily entries---how much participation do you think you will continue to get????

Out of courtesy, I'll respond for the last time. How difficult is to see a sample of what is acceptable or not. I'm not interested in resolving anything, the rules are THERE to follow. No complaints from the Head Honcha, either. If people don't want to participate, there are a gazzilion contests they can enter. And since you nor anyone is paying me to run my contests, I'll run them the way I feel is appropriate. Have an awesome day wink.

Jun 18 14 12:59 pm Link

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rfordphotos

Posts: 8866

Antioch, California, US

John Carrasco wrote:
Out of courtesy .. I'll respond for the last time. How difficult is to see a sample of what is acceptable or not. I'm not interested in resolving anything, the rules are THERE to follow. No complaints from the Head Honcha, either. If people don't want to participate, there are a gazzilion contests they can enter. And since you nor anyone is paying for me to run my contests .. I'll run them the way I feel is appropriate. Have an awesome day wink.

Fine John---

Nice to see how you really feel about running a contest for Model Mayhem members--- Hope running your contest boosts your ego sufficiently--

You have a nice day now too John----

Jun 18 14 01:08 pm Link

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DaveDavis

Posts: 21946

Manteca, California, US

John Carrasco wrote:

https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … st18977488

"Host Note: This image is ineligible to win today's contest." Please review the Contest's Version of a HeadShot.

** NOTE ** If I can place a Head or face double its size in an image .. IT's GONE.

But the rules DO NOT STATE "If I can place a Head or face double its size in an image .. " You have an example which looks to me to be from just above the arm pit. Which mine clearly was.....

Jun 22 14 08:53 am Link

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DaveDavis

Posts: 21946

Manteca, California, US

rfordphotos wrote:

Well John, some of us dont think it is quite that simple.

While these are WONDERFUL shots, personally, and of course in my opinion, these are in no way shape form or fashion "headshots" and yet you allowed them in your contest....


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4055/4246517978_3cf5e700c5_o.jpg

I dont think your sample image is actually a headshot, it is a glamor portrait---again in my humble opinion.

If no one else feels like I do, then I will shut the hell up---but you had to delete nearly HALF of today's entries John---I dont think I am the only one confused about your definition....

*grins* Thank you rfordphotos smile

Jun 22 14 08:56 am Link

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John Carrasco

Posts: 17485

San Francisco, California, US

DaveDavis wrote:
But the rules DO NOT STATE "If I can place a Head or face double its size in an image .. " You have an example which looks to me to be from just above the arm pit. Which mine clearly was.....

** NOTE ** If I can place a Head or face double its size in an image .. IT's GONE.

Will put it on the rules as soon as I'm in the airport .. Have a great weekend, Dave. wink

Jun 22 14 09:28 am Link

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John Carrasco

Posts: 17485

San Francisco, California, US

John Carrasco wrote:

** NOTE ** If I can place a Head or face double its size in an image .. IT's GONE.

Will put it on the rules as soon as I'm in the airport .. Have a great weekend, Dave. wink

DONE

Jun 22 14 09:34 am Link

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DaveDavis

Posts: 21946

Manteca, California, US

John Carrasco wrote:

** NOTE ** If I can place a Head or face double its size in an image .. IT's GONE.

Will put it on the rules as soon as I'm in the airport .. Have a great weekend, Dave. wink

Oh, but wait, I do comply 100% with Rule #1, even after you just edited and changed  the rules... Oops!!
https://davedavisphotography.com/images/mm/cierra-hs_measured.jpg

Jun 22 14 10:14 am Link

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DaveDavis

Posts: 21946

Manteca, California, US

John Carrasco wrote:

** NOTE ** If I can place a Head or face double its size in an image .. IT's GONE.

Will put it on the rules as soon as I'm in the airport .. Have a great weekend, Dave. wink

Have a nice weekend/vacation yourself!! smile

Jun 22 14 10:15 am Link

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John Carrasco

Posts: 17485

San Francisco, California, US

DaveDavis wrote:

Have a nice weekend/vacation yourself!! smile

Much appreciated it Dave .. Will be online sporatically to help with the contests.

Jun 22 14 10:51 am Link

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JAMES ROSS PHOTOGRAPHIX

Posts: 9779

Tifton, Georgia, US

Jun 22 14 02:46 pm Link

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Motordrive Photography

Posts: 7087

Lodi, California, US

I would like some of more niche contests to have a continuing thread
instead of a new thread with the date.

and the fantasy/fairytale contests combined

Jun 22 14 03:28 pm Link

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Erin Koski

Posts: 24240

Ojai, California, US

I think that there are only two contests that start a new thread each day. In the case of dark image of the day, votes for one day are accepted after the start time of the next days contest. As such, it would hurt voting to change the format to a single thread and I am reluctant to do this.

Jun 22 14 04:40 pm Link

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Patreshas Editing

Posts: 3021

Frankston, Victoria, Australia

Erin Koski wrote:
I think that there are only two contests that start a new thread each day. In the case of dark image of the day, votes for one day are accepted after the start time of the next days contest. As such, it would hurt voting to change the format to a single thread and I am reluctant to do this.

I see no problem with it being in multiple threads it helps people being able to know if they are allowed to vote or enter that contest and then i am sure that people would find it easier again because you then post on that thread the winner for that days contest I love it keep up the good work. Yes some contests are better in single thread but just like you said Erin your contest allows voting to run into the next days contest to allow people from all parts of the world to vote which i think it marvelous smile It would be too confusing as a single post

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Jun 22 14 08:30 pm Link

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Patreshas Editing

Posts: 3021

Frankston, Victoria, Australia

Motordrive Photography wrote:
I would like some of more niche contests to have a continuing thread
instead of a new thread with the date.

and the fantasy/fairytale contests combined

Fantasy and Fairytale are two different contests run by two different host with two different entrants requirements

I originally had Fairytale as a daily theme but no one wanted it to be a theme

Jun 22 14 08:33 pm Link

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Tytaniafairy

Posts: 4520

Evansville, Indiana, US

Motordrive Photography wrote:
I would like some of more niche contests to have a continuing thread
instead of a new thread with the date.

and the fantasy/fairytale contests combined

I have a new theme every other day for my contest and also it makes it easier and also gives the winner more than a day to shine , kind of like his or her own thread . Also yes they are two very different contests with there own very distinct rules . But thanks for your input .

Jun 22 14 09:35 pm Link

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Tytaniafairy

Posts: 4520

Evansville, Indiana, US

Patreshas Editing wrote:
I see no problem with it being in multiple threads it helps people being able to know if they are allowed to vote or enter that contest and then i am sure that people would find it easier again because you then post on that thread the winner for that days contest I love it keep up the good work. Yes some contests are better in single thread but just like you said Erin your contest allows voting to run into the next days contest to allow people from all parts of the world to vote which i think it marvelous smile It would be too confusing as a single post


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I agree with you .

Jun 22 14 09:36 pm Link

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Retouching Artist

Posts: 167

Gujrānwāla, Punjab, Pakistan

I wanna learn Digital Retouching.
Please tell me what i do ?

Jun 23 14 04:36 am Link

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Patreshas Editing

Posts: 3021

Frankston, Victoria, Australia

Retouching Artist wrote:
I wanna learn Digital Retouching.
Please tell me what i do ?

Do you mean Digital Art Darl

Check out the buddy system and make sure you place that you want help with Digital Art

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Jun 23 14 04:47 am Link

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DaveDavis

Posts: 21946

Manteca, California, US

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DaveDavis

Posts: 21946

Manteca, California, US

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Jun 06 15 12:43 pm Link

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Thomas Van Dyke

Posts: 3233

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Reflections on the nature of "Fashion"  especially as it relates to still photography...
Primary revenue streams for the high end shooters has been for many years Magazines which showcase clothing... Publications such as ELLE, VOGUE, Allure, InStyle, W, and WWD (women's wear daily) which is considered by many as the "Trade Journal" of the industry... Bare in mind that male fashion makes up possibly 25% of the market, magazines such as GQ cater to this segment... Why? Male clothing is more akind to uniforms (think military here) and remains somewhat static over time...   Best way to assess market share is to visit high end retail outlets such as Nordstrom, Macy's etc. and calculate the floor display area relegated to female verse male clothing...  In my market (Washington DC) it has remained static at a 25% / 75% split...

Publications typically have advertising copy and editorial copy... Photographers compete seriously for the advertising assignments while newly emerging talent hope to get noticed with editorial "Stories" which rarely if ever pay, only the credentials of being published have merit...  The two styles are rather different... and shooting editorial is very low stress since there isn't a client in the mix... However advertising is highly stressful and demanding... here the (fashion) models are oft looking off camera axis (invisible persona) and asexual since attention needs to be on the clothing (merchandise)... Editorial however is generally about promoting a lifestyle a.k.a. persona that readers can identify with...  The narratives are compelling, dramatic, and oft surreal...

Is there cross over? absolutely... but it is the publication's editor that makes the call... rest assured they are heavily vested in their advertisers best interest...

But what about fashion shows? They are theater... think circus here... pieces wore on the runway are not meant for the buying public... the off the shelf "ready wear" are dumbed down variants of the show pieces...

Where does the line between Glamour and Fashion exist? 
It doesn't exist... it is totally about the context for which the image is targeted...

Victoria Secret is not considered High Fashion, nor a luxury brand... VS marketing rely on glitz, glamour, smoke and mirrors... it's all about the model (VS Angels)...  not so much about the garments...

Is lingerie fashion?  Again it's context specific... A catalog image for Jockey women's wear is indeed fashion... However the context is focused on selling the garment and is decidedly not about the model (who typically is looking off camera axis)... Working with fashion designers I've oft been told that the moment both elbows go above the shoulders then the line between fashion and glamour has been breached...  canvass catalog work and high end advertising to verify this... and yes there are exceptions however best to keep in mind this will likely never find agreement nor closure... However those who shoot for advertising agencies know and understand exactly what there client(s) needs and expectations are... if they fail to respond appropriately there are a dozen more standing in line for job...

Hope this helps more than confuses...
Best advice? Shoot for a clothing designer...
This is the fast track to comprehending precisely what works and what doesn't in the world of fashion...   

All the best on your journey...

Jun 06 15 02:53 pm Link