Forums > Model Colloquy > Do Models Care About The Photographer's Camera?

Photographer

The Grand Artist

Posts: 468

Fort Worth, Texas, US

I want to hear just from models (even though I know photographers are going to chime in first and most often).

I was wondering if model's care about what kind of camera a photographer is using and what kind of gear he has. We have heard some care if he has a studio or not, so I am wondering if that sentiment goes even further to the camera he has.

For example if you show up to a paid photo shoot and the photographer has a P7100, G16, D3300, 1200D, A37, X-M1 or K1000 and nothing else are you going to question why? What if it is a TF shoot.

Does the type of camera influence what you think of the photographer and their ability to produce images?

Jun 23 14 08:46 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23575

Salem, Oregon, US

for my part i've never had a model inquire about gear. and only one paying customer. i imagine they use your portfolio as a guide plus whatever they hear on the street or can get in the way of references.

when i was getting started shooting models i upgraded from a 5D MK I to a 5D MK II. both cameras can take excellent pictures but i felt more confident with the MK II (especially because of the better LCD).

if i were someone who did shoots with a low-end P&S (and could still get good pictures) then maybe i'd play that up as part of my story. don't let my camera fool you sort of thing.

regarding having a studio, the main thing we noticed when we got one was fewer escorts. and maybe a few models shot with us who wouldn't have felt comfortable at our house but it's not like we suddenly had a huge upsurge of models who were interested just because we had a studio. and there are plenty of local photographers who keep busy shooting models and have never had a studio (they shoot at home or on location).

Jun 23 14 08:58 am Link

Photographer

Laubenheimer

Posts: 9317

New York, New York, US

do i care what kind of makeup or shampoo the model is using?

maybe....if i was into makeup and shampoo.....

if a model is into cameras then they would love to know.....i've worked with plenty of models that are also photographers (or are they photographers that are also models?) and we chat about gear and lighting and expressions and composition, etc.

sometimes i think threads like this seem terribly old fashioned and misguided.

Jun 23 14 09:17 am Link

Model

Rockabella

Posts: 588

Bargara, Queensland, Australia

I have an interest in photography as well, so I normally find myself asking about the gear a photographer is using when on location.

I think the most important thing is your skill; your portfolio should speak for itself. If you have the ability to create amazing images, I don't think it really matters by what means you create them.

Jun 23 14 09:58 am Link

Model

dead and goneeeeeeeeee

Posts: 161

Aniak, Alaska, US

I usually don't care. It's not the gear, but how you work it (har har).
Really. I've seen amazing iPhone shots and horrible shots done with both  expensive lighting and camera.

Jun 23 14 09:58 am Link

Model

Mae Claire

Posts: 16

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I don't know enough about photography to inquire about their gear so it doesn't really matter to me, haha. But I do know some models that do and ask about it. The portfolio of the photographer really just speaks for itself.

Jun 23 14 10:06 am Link

Model

J Jessica

Posts: 2431

Coconut Creek, Florida, US

Meng Ai wrote:
I don't know enough about photography to inquire about their gear

this

Jun 23 14 10:37 am Link

Model

Victoria Elle

Posts: 688

New York, New York, US

No, I don't care. 

The only thing that catches my interest is if someone is shooting wet plate/tin types, but even that does not influence my decision to work with them.  The only thing that does are the images in the photographer's portfolio.

Jun 23 14 10:49 am Link

Photographer

r T p

Posts: 3511

Los Angeles, California, US

Meng Ai wrote:
I don't know enough about photography to inquire about their gear ...


that's ok
... neither do many/most photographers

Jun 23 14 10:55 am Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

If the only gear they ask about is "what one is the key light?" I am happy

Jun 23 14 10:59 am Link

Model

Layla_B

Posts: 411

Eindhoven, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands

Nope. The most important is that the photographer knows how to work with it.
You can take incredible pictures with a 'less good' camera, and the reverse kind of pictures with a super(expensive) camera.
The camera can't take the pictures for you.

And I trust that the photographer knows his gear and he chooses the right things to produce great work.

Jun 23 14 11:10 am Link

Model

Jordan Bunniie

Posts: 1755

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

No. I care about the results, not what you use to achieve them.

Jun 23 14 11:23 am Link

Photographer

Francisco Castro

Posts: 2629

Cincinnati, Ohio, US

There are some photos in my port taken with a point and shoot. Who would like to take a guess which ones they are?

Why would I use a point and shoot? Because I stupidly forgot to plug in the charger of my DSLR's batteries. The batteries were pretty dead. But the model was there, and rather than just write off  the entire day, we decided to make a go at it and see what would happen if we got a little creative with what we had.

Jun 23 14 11:24 am Link

Model

Nicole Nu

Posts: 3981

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

The Grand Artist wrote:
For example if you show up to a paid photo shoot and the photographer has a P7100, G16, D3300, 1200D, A37, X-M1 or K1000 and nothing else are you going to question why? What if it is a TF shoot.

I honest to God have no idea what any of that even means.

No, it doesn't matter.

It matters what you do with said camera.

Jun 23 14 12:13 pm Link

Photographer

fsp

Posts: 3656

New York, New York, US

No, they only care where you're sticking that thing!

Jun 23 14 01:33 pm Link

Model

Isis22

Posts: 3557

Muncie, Indiana, US

I don't care in the slightest. I will say that the photographer I have enjoyed working with the most has a circa 1917 Deardorff and that is why I contacted him. His 50+ years of experience probably doesn't hurt either.

Jun 23 14 01:39 pm Link

Model

Axioma

Posts: 6822

Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

nope

Jun 23 14 01:41 pm Link

Model

Svetlana Muerte

Posts: 928

Austin, Texas, US

Yes, to the extent that the equipment will inform the artwork we produce.

I get excited about projects using older equipment from the film days. I appreciate the effort that goes into searching for the old film and bulbs. It adds to the fun to shoot with someone that interested in older technology. Some people work in Polaroids or on iPhones and such. That would interest me a great deal, too.

I don't really care much about the photographer having the latest fancy-foo equipment. For me, it's either about the finished product or the fun in experimenting with an "unusual" piece of equipment.

Jun 23 14 01:49 pm Link

Photographer

Eyesso

Posts: 1218

Orlando, Florida, US

Also....

Do photographers care about the differences in lipstick brands?

Jun 23 14 02:17 pm Link

Photographer

KOLMANS STUDIOS

Posts: 422

Lüderitz, Karas, Namibia

Well,The 8x10 draw lots of attention in my studio.

Jun 23 14 03:16 pm Link

Model

Southern_Jas

Posts: 28

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

You could break out an old Vivitar 110 camera for all I care.  It's the final product I'm concerned with.

Jun 23 14 04:35 pm Link

Model

Sabryna S

Posts: 311

Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US

I know next to nothing about cameras so it wouldn't entirely matter to me what brand they use....though I'd honestly be a little put off if they just used a cheap point and shoot digital camera like I have at home (and I have had a shoot like that...granted the photos were only going to be used for an eBay site at most, but eh).
To me, the work itself is what matters. And if their work...sucks, then it matters if they are willing to pay me or not. Then it realllly doesn't matter.

Jun 23 14 04:48 pm Link

Model

Sarah Lynn Modeling

Posts: 161

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Yes and no.  If the photographer shows up with a cheap point-and-shoot I would be concerned.  But models should do their research on the photographer they're going to be shooting with to ensure they know the person will be using equipment to produce quality photos.

Jun 23 14 06:06 pm Link

Photographer

FStopKIller

Posts: 14

Chino, California, US

I know A photog that owns a Nikon D40 and is one of the best los angeles photographers in the game. HIs photography is a work of art with a very basic camera.

Its Not the Camera its the Person And creativity behind it.

Jun 24 14 02:47 pm Link

Model

SierraHardy

Posts: 33

Killeen, Texas, US

As long as its not a point and shoot camera I'm okay.

Jun 24 14 03:00 pm Link

Photographer

Risen Phoenix Photo

Posts: 3779

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Sarah Lynn Modeling wrote:
Yes and no.  If the photographer shows up with a cheap point-and-shoot I would be concerned.  But models should do their research on the photographer they're going to be shooting with to ensure they know the person will be using equipment to produce quality photos.

If photographers can shoot quality images with an I Phone they can do the same with a point amd shoot.

Jun 24 14 03:01 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

The Grand Artist wrote:
Do Models Care About The Photographer's Camera?

Some people who don't understand might ridicule or measure you by the size of your equipment.

Some people think little cameras and lack of equipment equate to being a GWC.

---

Some artists use their pencil and don't need a camera.

http://www.pbase.com/click_hamilton/ima … 9/original

Jun 24 14 03:15 pm Link

Photographer

toesup

Posts: 1240

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

I tried talking about equipment to a model.. once..

It was the bit about F numbers and the size of the hole..

Jun 24 14 03:39 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Interesting, after a number of these posts we now know:

Models don't care or know
Clients don't care and many don't know
A lot of photographers care, why remains to be understood

Jun 24 14 03:48 pm Link

Model

Gelsen Aripia

Posts: 1407

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

No.  Not at all.  I care about the way they SEE things.

Jun 24 14 04:05 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
Interesting, after a number of these posts we now know:

Models don't care or know
Clients don't care and many don't know
A lot of photographers care, why remains to be understood

Amateurs worry about equipment.

Professionals worry about money.

Masters worry about light.


Who cares? Just have fun and take more pictures.

bunny

Jun 24 14 04:09 pm Link

Model

Sarah Lynn Modeling

Posts: 161

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
If photographers can shoot quality images with an I Phone they can do the same with a point amd shoot.

I'm sure there are some photographers out there who can shoot amazing, fantastic, high quality shots with an iPhone or a point-and-shoot, but I'm talking about generally speaking here.  There is the concern as well that if all the photographer owns is a cheap point and shoot or iPhone, it would make you wonder how invested this person is in their craft--how seriously they take it.  in my experience, MOST of the time (not ALL the time) the photographers who invest more in their equipment tend to take their photography more seriously, are more experienced, more skilled, and take better photos.  I do understand that it's the photographer's skill, not the cost of the equipment, so let me give another example:  You're looking to hire a chef.  One has saved up and invested in top of the line cookware, the other shows up with some paper plates and plastic utensils.  Would you not be slightly concerned that the one with the cheap paper and plastic would not produce the same result?  Maybe the chef with the cheap cooking utensils is a much better chef.   The point here is perception.  A photographer showing up with super cheap equipment might be perceived as an inferior photographer.  So all I'm saying is that is why my answer to the original question is yes and no:  to an extent, it does matter, because of perception.  But a model should find out the equipment in advance, then there is no surprise.  Problem solved.

Jun 24 14 07:06 pm Link

Model

Isis22

Posts: 3557

Muncie, Indiana, US

Sarah Lynn Modeling wrote:

I'm sure there are some photographers out there who can shoot amazing, fantastic, high quality shots with an iPhone or a point-and-shoot, but I'm talking about generally speaking here.  There is the concern as well that if all the photographer owns is a cheap point and shoot or iPhone, it would make you wonder how invested this person is in their craft--how seriously they take it.  in my experience, MOST of the time (not ALL the time) the photographers who invest more in their equipment tend to take their photography more seriously, are more experienced, more skilled, and take better photos.  I do understand that it's the photographer's skill, not the cost of the equipment, so let me give another example:  You're looking to hire a chef.  One has saved up and invested in top of the line cookware, the other shows up with some paper plates and plastic utensils.  Would you not be slightly concerned that the one with the cheap paper and plastic would not produce the same result?  Maybe the chef with the cheap cooking utensils is a much better chef.   The point here is perception.  A photographer showing up with super cheap equipment might be perceived as an inferior photographer.  So all I'm saying is that is why my answer to the original question is yes and no:  to an extent, it does matter, because of perception.  But a model should find out the equipment in advance, then there is no surprise.  Problem solved.

I care about the results. If a chef has amazing food why do you care how it was prepared? I am not going to insult a photographer by asking about his equipment. If his photographs are good they are good.

Jun 24 14 07:13 pm Link

Photographer

toesup

Posts: 1240

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

Sarah Lynn Modeling wrote:
A photographer showing up with super cheap equipment might be perceived as an inferior photographer.

And he turns up with an I phone.. leaving that $7000 state of the art camera and $10,000 lighting rig at home..
.. just because he wants to 'experiment' a little..

Bad Photographer?..

Jun 24 14 07:42 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 33877

Arcata, California, US

I've had a few inexperienced models eye the camera during breaks or after the shoot. One asked about the controls and what the set looked like through the viewfinder. Another asked to hold the camera to see how heavy it was (and she got very wide-eyed when she found out it was more solid than she ever thought). Neither seemed concerned about the type of camera I was using. I thought their curiosity was sweet.

Jun 24 14 07:46 pm Link

Model

Amber West

Posts: 299

Dumfries, Scotland, United Kingdom

If I'm paid, then frankly my Dear, I don't give a damn.

Jun 25 14 02:36 am Link

Photographer

The Sweaty Sock

Posts: 470

Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom

Models shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about such stuff...(Runs away!)

Jun 25 14 02:44 am Link

Photographer

R I K

Posts: 39

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

The Grand Artist wrote:
Does the type of camera influence what you think of the photographer and their ability to produce images?

I imagine the images would weigh in as being a little more significant.

After all, it's entirely possible to take shit photos with a great camera, is it not.

Wanna come shoot in my basement
https://shadesofsepia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/nikon_1.jpg

Jun 25 14 03:01 am Link

Model

Glass Olive

Posts: 158

Albufeira, Algarve, Portugal

I care about the photographers camera if there's something unique about it. I don't know about the latest digital camera, but I will be interested if it's a polaroid camera, a film camera, a colloidal wet plate camera, an underwater camera, a WW2 era bomber jet camera...stuff like that.

mostly I'm just interested in the outcome of the images. if they look amazing, I don't care if it was shot on a cell phone. I always believe the art is more important than the tool.

Jun 25 14 12:08 pm Link

Model

LeePatrick

Posts: 88

Houston, Texas, US

I don't really care if its your iphone.

to me.

its all about the editing and post work.

Jun 25 14 12:35 pm Link