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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Orestes  wrote:
Landlord provided internet

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/14724315890_02779ac37d_o.png

Who is your landlord? Homeland Security?


Connor Photography wrote:
I think he got that from PS big_smile

Is this a flickr account?

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/147 … c37d_o.png

Aug 13 14 07:00 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Brian Diaz wrote:
This is was my best result in about 10 tests.  The package I'm paying for is supposed to be "up to 105 Mbps."  So I'm getting about 30-40% of that.  Is that good enough?  I'm thinking no.

How's your internet speed?

With all the other variables to consider, what is the relevance of these speed tests?

What are the other significant "weakest links" that affect our Internet access?

I would guess that paying for a higher level service doesn't help us much if we choke it off somewhere else.


I just ran about 5 tests, and they are all basically the same.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688049408.png

Cox is one of the least favorite companies I have to endure as they exploit their monopoly and abuse their customer$$$. Everything is a never-ending negotiation with them as they continually jack around with their automatic rate hikes/promotion hype full of hooks and fine print/general BS.

Every time I call in to try to fix something I get a different bozo with different answers trying to churn my account and sell me something else. Most of them are telemarketers in boiler-rooms who have very limited authority to do anything that lowers my cost or improves my service without selling me an upgrade scheme, or new hardware that has been tweaked so I can't buy anywhere except from them. As a customer, I don't like being milked like a cow. We deserve better.

One thing I've learned with them: once we get something working, don't make any changes. More than likely, it will create more problems to solve and I'm always the guy who has to push that through with a huge additional waste of time. There are entirely too many layers of inane recorded messages and rerouting of my calls before I can find a person with the authority of a supervisor or a qualified technician.

Aug 13 14 07:08 pm Link

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John Photography

Posts: 13811

Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

https://users.on.net/~aviannix37/speedtest.jpg

But the actual download speed I get is usually 1.1

It's unacceptable in this day and age. Copper wires.

Aug 13 14 07:14 pm Link

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Iktan

Posts: 879

New York, New York, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
Who is your landlord? Homeland Security?



Is this a flickr account?

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/147 … c37d_o.png

LOL got it from a gamer forum, they often compare each other and I'm pretty sure they are legit as some of them indeed have no life outside of gaming and computers.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3640031638.png
https://i.imgur.com/YvlaAxQ.png
https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/google-speed-test.png

Aug 13 14 07:19 pm Link

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MerrillMedia

Posts: 8736

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

I've had the same experience with Cox in New Orleans that Click has had with them in San Diego. They pretty much never do what they said they would do and try to raise your rate to ridiculous levels on a regular basis.

I'm going to start recording them every time I talk to them. When I inform them that they are being recorded, I going to tell them its for "quality assurance" - mine.

The telecommunication business seems to have been over-run by liars.

Aug 13 14 07:43 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

MerrillMedia wrote:
I've had the same experience with Cox in New Orleans that Click has had with them in San Diego. They pretty much never do what they said they would do and try to raise your rate to ridiculous levels on a regular basis.

I'm going to start recording them every time I talk to them. When I inform them that they are being recorded, I going to tell them its for "quality assurance" - mine.

The telecommunication business seems to have been over-run by liars.

No doubt in my mind that you are being abused the same way I am.

http://www.forbes.com/profile/anne-cox-chambers/

When we call in, it's not local. Our calls are rerouted to the same pool of people who work the phones. They can be anywhere.

Aug 13 14 07:47 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

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Aug 13 14 07:50 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

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Aug 13 14 07:56 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Sandra Vixen wrote:
The problem with web pages now is that they contain so much junk, an average of 1 to 2MB width of total data transferred with just maybe less than a hundred meaningful bytes (characters) of information relevant to what you really need.

In other words, most (commercial) web pages contain junk data that is transferred for no meaningful reason (other than perhaps ads).

You can check this by opening your network settings and look for something called statistics or number of bytes transferred.

Mark the number you have an open your favorate web page.

Check how much data you transferred after it finishes loading.

Then actually read how much text on the page was meaningful to you. (each character is 1 byte).

I explored several Firefox add-ons and extensions that blocked a lot of this superfluous (to me) data mining and started a thread about it a while back.

There were some that significantly made the loading of pages faster without negative side effects.

Ad-blockers help too. I have not looked into this recently, but I'm currently using Adblock Plus.
https://adblockplus.org/en/firefox

Aug 13 14 07:59 pm Link

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kickfight

Posts: 35054

Portland, Oregon, US

Hm. I ran that test repeatedly, and it gave me approx. 3Mbps for both download and upload.

But I then did an upload to my hosting provider via FireFTP and it told me that my upload speed was closer to 11Mbps.

So I went here and got this back:

Download Speed: 11114 kbps (1389.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 11587 kbps (1448.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 16 ms
Jitter: 3 ms


And then I went here and got this back:

Download Speed: 10976 kbps (1372 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 11482 kbps (1435.3 KB/sec transfer rate)


Then I went to my ISP (Comcast) and used their test tool and got this:

https://stage.results.speedtest.comcast.net/result/594580364.png

Again, Hm. hmm

Aug 13 14 08:00 pm Link

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BeautybyGod

Posts: 3078

Los Angeles, California, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688101297.png

i got about 16 Mb/s... time warner up in Studio City. i think it was somewhat faster until a year or two ago. and i pay extra for a faster connection, too. i've been meaning to call them.

time warner sux.
https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688128241.png

Aug 13 14 08:06 pm Link

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E H

Posts: 847

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Orestes  wrote:
Landlord provided internet

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/14724315890_02779ac37d_o.png

Working at CNAS, lol.

Aug 13 14 08:12 pm Link

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Jay Leavitt

Posts: 6745

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Gryph wrote:
Problem is, most folks don't know the difference between Mb and MB.  The companies advertise 15Mbps, and people assume MegaBytes when the reality is Mega Bits.  So the assumption is that they think they are getting 15 Mega Bytes per second.

1 Byte = 8bits.

Figure advertise a high number of mega bits because people assume the larger number must be really fast, when they don't realize that it isn't what they think.

http://www.numion.com/calculators/units.html

edit: in the link they have in the drop down mbps, I believe that is a typo as it should be Mbps.  Small "m" is Milli.

So going by A-M-P's post, 60Mbps, her speed down the pipe should be 7.5 MBps(Mega Bytes).

Damn Brian, how much you pay for this 13MBps speed?

Held the shift too long, my connection at home is 5Mbps. I still stream youtube upstairs, whilst playing online games, while my wife is downstairs streaming Netflix. I'd like a little more, like 15 (mainly for the boost in upload speeds) ... but the next plan above 5 is 50, not paying for all that shit that I won't use.

Here's my home test (vs work previously)

Note, Netflix is streaming downstairs, and I have 5 actively refreshing livefeeds on this computer. Still more than adequate (coming from an IT professional - CCNA / NET+, technophile.)

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688137878.png


As a direct answer to the OP.... 15/20Mbps is plenty for most households.

15/20Mbps can stream HD video (Netflix, YouTube, etc) to 2-3 devices, while your teenage son is streaming porn... your 2 other children are streaming music and browsing 14 different tabs, updating facebook every 4 seconds whilst instagramming - and your neighbor is downloading tentacle porn off MicroTorrent at 3Mbps off 1,000 seeders.

Aug 13 14 08:16 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 31025

Laguna Beach, California, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
This is fucking unacceptable. It's going to hinder my chances of getting into a good raiding guild in the fall.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3687326499.png

I guess that's what I get for choosing the very cheapest Internet I could find.

Brian Diaz wrote:
I'm surprised you can play more than Words with Friends at that speed...  sad

lol i think my 2400 baud modem was faster than that.

https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/eok3/speedtest_zps81eb3081.jpg

look ma, i'm peeing on a pyramid!

Orestes  wrote:
LOL got it from a gamer forum, they often compare each other and I'm pretty sure they are legit as some of them indeed have no life outside of gaming and computers.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3640031638.png
https://i.imgur.com/YvlaAxQ.png
https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/google-speed-test.png

showoff! tongue

Aug 13 14 08:17 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
What are the other significant "weakest links" that affect our Internet access?

I would guess that paying for a higher level service doesn't help us much if we choke it off somewhere else.

I think it makes a big difference if we are hard wired to our modem, vs through a wireless router, right?

I think Docis 3 is important over the previous generations of modems and routers as well, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS

My latest upgrades for my tenants who use wireless has been an upgrade to built in dual channel routers. I don't use wireless directly myself (except whatever my iphone and desktop might be doing with it in the background), so I don't have first hand information about dual channel as a performance enhancer.

The connection icon of my hard-wired desktop computer shows that I'm also connected to my wireless router from the same modem. I don't know the significance of this, except that someone else is probably invading my privacy hmm

Aug 13 14 08:36 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

Paying for 30.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688162983.png
But the 'grade' makes it clear that the throttle for many, in terms of a-b-c-d ratings is upload speed rather than download.

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
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Aug 13 14 08:37 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 31025

Laguna Beach, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
The connection icon of my hard-wired desktop computer shows that I'm also connected to my wireless router from the same modem. I don't know the significance of this, except that someone else is probably invading my privacy hmm

there's a simple solution to the tin foil hat crowd (of which i am NOT lumping you in with, click).

if you don't want to be seen, get off the net. your isp knows exactly what you're doing, and exactly where you are going, at any moment. your smartphone is also following you around, and seeing what you're doing, and with whom you are doing it.

sometimes i like to think that i could ted kaczynski it (minus the psychopathy), but then i realize that it does indeed benefit me. everything in life (more or less) is a trade-off of some sorts. tongue

1991 wasn't that long ago. if tech advances from then to now suddenly vanished, most people i know would jump off the nearest high tower.

Aug 13 14 08:41 pm Link

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Gryph

Posts: 1696

Phoenix, Arizona, US

-JAY- wrote:
15/20Mbps can stream HD video (Netflix, YouTube, etc) to 2-3 devices, while your teenage son is streaming porn... your 2 other children are streaming music and browsing 14 different tabs, updating facebook every 4 seconds whilst instagramming - and your neighbor is downloading tentacle porn off MicroTorrent at 3Mbps off 1,000 seeders.

Quit peeping through my windows! tongue

Aug 13 14 08:44 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

GK photo wrote:
there's a simple solution to the tin foil hat crowd (of which i am NOT lumping you in with, click).

if you don't want to be seen, get off the net. your isp knows exactly what you're doing, and exactly where you are going, at any moment. your smartphone is also following you around, and seeing what you're doing, and with whom you are doing it.

sometimes i like to think that i could ted kaczynski it (minus the psychopathy), but then i realize that it does indeed benefit me. everything in life (more or less) is a trade-off of some sorts. tongue

I wish I understood these things more.

----

In the meantime, I'm planting more trees and bushes, building more walls and gates, and getting more overhead cover from satellites and drones. I don't like the Google-car and other data collectors coming to check the status of my hemorrhoids through my living room window.

Aug 13 14 08:48 pm Link

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Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688173411.png

This was a lil bit slower than some others I ran. About 15% higher than I'm paying for.

Aug 13 14 08:51 pm Link

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Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

Orestes  wrote:
Landlord provided internet

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3847/14724315890_02779ac37d_o.png

WTF?
Y'all could suck & blow a camel thru that pipe. lol

Aug 13 14 08:52 pm Link

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Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
This is fucking unacceptable. It's going to hinder my chances of getting into a good raiding guild in the fall.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3687326499.png

I guess that's what I get for choosing the very cheapest Internet I could find.

Wow. Is your provider a homing pigeon?

Aug 13 14 08:54 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 31025

Laguna Beach, California, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
This is fucking unacceptable. It's going to hinder my chances of getting into a good raiding guild in the fall.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3687326499.png

I guess that's what I get for choosing the very cheapest Internet I could find.

Cherrystone wrote:
Wow. Is your provider a homing pigeon?

more like:
https://siochana.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/hamster_wheel.jpg
tongue

Aug 13 14 09:03 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 31025

Laguna Beach, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
In the meantime, I'm planting more trees and bushes, building more walls and gates, and getting more overhead cover from satellites and drones. I don't like the Google-car and other data collectors coming to check the status of my hemorrhoids through my living room window.

there have been some pretty funny google cam photos over the last few years. i remember the one where two dorks were (fake) sword fighting in a field, in full wizard garb. smile

Aug 13 14 09:08 pm Link

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Roy Hubbard

Posts: 3199

East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, US

FiOS has been pretty consistently near the 25/25 mark that I pay for.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688225088.png

Aug 13 14 09:28 pm Link

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Paolo D Photography

Posts: 11502

San Francisco, California, US

i think i'm supposed to get 50 Mbps? If not, and I'm on the 25 Mbps plan, ...still not getting even half of that.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688310601.png

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3688321833.png

After those two tests, I tried Comcast's tester.
Still sucks:

https://stage.results.speedtest.comcast.net/result/594690304.png

Somehow, its still fast enough to watch TV on my Roku.
Guess thats good enough for me. *shrugs*

Aug 13 14 10:42 pm Link

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Paolo D Photography

Posts: 11502

San Francisco, California, US

aspergianLens wrote:
I'm getting my full speed, and then some...

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3687408839.png

WTF! and it went all the way to Reno!
We have the same ISP.
My first test barely got better results than Ms. Crowley.

Aug 13 14 11:12 pm Link

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Mr Banner

Posts: 85322

Hayward, California, US

I know I get over 100Mbps at home.  It makes downloading porn easier, but not easy enough.  I need at least 10x that speed at the same price.   AT&T

At work, I am getting around 22.  Not sure if that is because we have 20people online..... Comcast Business

edit, that's strange.  I have either the 18 or 6 Mbps plan.  I should go home and check.  That said, I still know for a fact I still routinely get downloads over 100 at times...

Aug 14 14 02:58 pm Link

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Lohkee

Posts: 14028

Maricopa, Arizona, US

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Aug 14 14 03:11 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Brian Diaz wrote:
First, feel free to share your current internet speed.  But also, let us know what speed you're supposed to be getting "up to."

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3687216757.png

This is was my best result in about 10 tests.  The package I'm paying for is supposed to be "up to 105 Mbps."  So I'm getting about 30-40% of that.  Is that good enough?  I'm thinking no.

How's your internet speed?


www.speedtest.net

Time Warner is bullshit. I have SHIT upload. less than a MB.  I'm in Orange County, CA!! wtf!!

Aug 14 14 03:50 pm Link

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highStrangeness

Posts: 2485

Carmichael, California, US

Paolo Diavolo wrote:

aspergianLens wrote:
I'm getting my full speed, and then some...

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3687408839.png

WTF! and it went all the way to Reno!
We have the same ISP.
My first test barely got better results than Ms. Crowley.

Dunno what your problem might be.

But I tested it even further away --

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3690100092.png

Aug 14 14 04:26 pm Link

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Allen Carbon

Posts: 1532

Wellington, Wellington, New Zealand

I hate you New Zealand.
https://www.speedtest.net/result/3690313209.png

Aug 14 14 07:06 pm Link

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CherryPie

Posts: 15

Columbus, Ohio, US

Christopher Hartman wrote:

Time Warner is bullshit. I have SHIT upload. less than a MB.  I'm in Orange County, CA!! wtf!!

I'd guess you're on their standard plan? $10- more a month would kick that up a good chunk.

Aug 14 14 07:13 pm Link

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Mr Banner

Posts: 85322

Hayward, California, US

okay, so at home I got 10.39 and 0.9!

Aug 14 14 07:58 pm Link

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Kevin Fair

Posts: 2780

Palm Coast, Florida, US

I think the test is kinda messed up. I tried it 2 times back to back. First time my DL speed was 71+, the second time it was in the low 30's.

Aug 15 14 10:20 pm Link

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The Grey Forest

Posts: 542

Igoumenítsa, Kentriki Ellada, Greece

I looked into this a while back when having to deal with Comcast,
notice the (faster than % of the US) or monopolies like Comcast/Cox stating they will give you speeds "up to" for what you pay for...but usually never actually provide the number stated.

They rent customers low quality routers that bottleneck around 50mb so its always better to buy your own + high quality connection wires to your machine.

the fact is... here in America, foreign tourists complain about how filthy-awful-low our internet speeds are ...its true...there is no reason the download and upload speeds shouldn't be the same, at a base of 100/100 average

or bloated fat-cat monopoly Companies too greedy & lazy to rewire their lines with fiber optics for 1000/1000 service ~  when they can continue to bleed customers for a service they THROTTLE BACK in tiers unless you pay a hefty price.  ~  some cities are now providing free wifi for the entire community which benefits all.

I live in the countryside with dialup a lame:
0.81 dwn / 0.67 up

Aug 15 14 11:36 pm Link

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J Jessica

Posts: 2431

Coconut Creek, Florida, US

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Meh

Aug 15 14 11:43 pm Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I just upgraded this morning to a faster service.  It seems faster.
I'll check the speed later.

Aug 16 14 07:21 am Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

If trade agreements like the Trans Pacific Partnership are ratified and Verizon gets its way, you can kiss any download speed you have now goodbye. Fast internet speed will go to the highest bidder. The rest of us will be stuck with dial-up speeds...

Aug 19 14 04:58 am Link

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Caradoc

Posts: 19900

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

Cox recently doubled our speeds here for the same monthly price. The announcement that Google Fiber was coming scared them, I think...

https://www.speedtest.net/result/3699219446.png

I was paying for 50Mbit/s, and this is what I'm getting when paying for 100Mbit/s down - up is about half of what it should be. Not sure why.

Aug 19 14 06:06 am Link