faulkner photography wrote:
dont have to worrie about it now as she has cancelled 2hrs before shot .dont you just love it .

Gaaah. Sucks when that happens.

Is MM active there? Maybe try posting a casting call to see if someone can fill in last minute? I've had that work, but LA might be an easier place for it.

K I C K H A M wrote:
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tl;dr
Talk about photos explicitly beforehand, and in email/ text/ some form of writing. It'll save you the headache.

This. If you don't, you're assuming that both you and the model are on the same page, and you know what happens when you assume.

faulkner photography wrote:
dont have to worrie about it now as she has cancelled 2hrs before shot .dont you just love it .

Bummer.

I almost had the same thing happen this weekend. The model I was scheduled to shoot with went silent. Fortunately I was already in communication with another model who's workable for the planned concept, and even more fortunately we were able to iron all the details out in about 2 hours of phone and email conversation.

Usually a model that goes dark like that means my planned shoot is cancelled.

Julian  W I L D E wrote:
Depends on whether you want the Free Advertising or not.  Think about it.  ;-)

That's the way I look at it.
If you hire a really good model and she uses your stuff on her site, it's nice publicity for you.

Julian  W I L D E wrote:
Depends on whether you want the Free Advertising or not.  Think about it.  ;-)

Exactly!!!!!

Sending out a really well done pic to the model costs a photographer 1 stamp for the email.
Sit back and watch the model's port send you traffic.

or you can hide the pic a way in your port, cackle "mine, Mine, MINE!!!" and watch the smart photographers get all the traffic... and the paid shots

Julian  W I L D E wrote:
Depends on whether you want the Free Advertising or not.  Think about it.  ;-)

JoJo wrote:
Exactly!!!!!

Sending out a really well done pic to the model costs a photographer 1 stamp for the email.
Sit back and watch the model's port send you traffic.

or you can hide the pic a way in your port, cackle "mine, Mine, MINE!!!" and watch the smart photographers get all the traffic... and the paid shots

You're welcome to pay me (as is any model) to shoot, so that I can put the images in my portfolio and give you "free advertising."

BlueMoonPics wrote:

That's the way I look at it.
If you hire a really good model and she uses your stuff on her site, it's nice publicity for you.

This.  I'm 98% TF but if a model like Melissa Trout or Zoe West uses an image of mine, YAY for me.

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

You're expected to give them what you agree on.

Julian  W I L D E wrote:
And besides... going beyond your client's expectations, is a great Business Model.  ;-)

Pretty sure that if I pay someone, I am THEIR client.

Art of the nude wrote:

Julian  W I L D E wrote:
Depends on whether you want the Free Advertising or not.  Think about it.  ;-)

You're welcome to pay me (as is any model) to shoot, so that I can put the images in my portfolio and give you "free advertising."

I think it's funny that you seem to say this as a joke. In the rare occasion I pay a photographer for something I need, I am STOKED if they post it.

Art of the nude wrote:
Pretty sure that if I pay someone, I am THEIR client.

Yeah that didnt make any sense to me either
And how is it "free" advertising when you are paying
If anything you are paying to develop the models port
Reminds me of the clients offering "exposure" in lieu of pay

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

When hiring a model, say specifically what she will be given as her payment.
Put that in writing in the contract/release.
give her a copy.
Refer to it if you are ever asked to give photos when you've given money.

Max Santini wrote:
The model, makeup artist, sttylist and photoshop guy as well as the photographer take active part in the creative process. As such all are entitled to "equal share" of copyright but more accurately, copy right is jointlt owned.

That is not the case in most countries signatory to the Berne convention.

Max Santini wrote:
The money paid to a model in shoot fee, not usage fee in perpetuity (there no such thing) The model is still entiled to have ALL the images and usage fee in all future uses of any image.

That is not the case in most countries signatory to the Berne convention.

Max Santini wrote:
Any true professional out there will know what I have stated here to be correct and true.

That is not the case.

I encourage everyone interested in this topic to do some reading of the laws and official commentary for the country/countries you operate in before accepting any random individual's word on it, no matter what claims they may make.

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

No, but it depends on the situation and rate scale or agreement.

I eventually forward and share a few jpeg copies of final edits for posting later down the line (or right away if I am totally stoked with the results), it's also good exposure for both if the model gets a lot of hits on her port.