Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 


You know what?  You are right!

So what's the professional way to tell a model she's too fat to shoot in lingerie or do nudes?

When they cant fit into the lingerie..
Then shoot nudes!!
If they cant fit in the viefinder
Step back a few yards (:--

Posted by Steve Mills: 
The line between constructive criticism and destructive insults isn't fine. Anyone who can't tell when they cross that line might wisely consider either hiring a spokesperson or getting out of a trade that depends so much on delicate egos.

Posted by Hugh  Jorgen: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 
So what's the professional way to tell a model she's too fat to shoot in lingerie or do nudes?

When they cant fit into the lingerie..
Then shoot nudes!!
If they cant fit in the viefinder
Step back a few yards (:--

LMAO

Posted by theda: 
Since when has the modeling industry been kind and not insulting?

Posted by Steve Mills: 
The line between constructive criticism and destructive insults isn't fine. Anyone who can't tell when they cross that line might wisely consider either hiring a spokesperson or getting out of a trade that depends so much on delicate egos.

I don't believe I said the industry was kind. My remarks point to a lack of professionalism in communication, and a need for more of it. I know of no more delicate ego than the one models work from, and it's important to me as an artist to feed it, not degrade it.

My ego, well, people walk over it all the time.

Posted by Steve Mills: 

Posted by theda: 
Since when has the modeling industry been kind and not insulting?

Posted by Steve Mills: 
The line between constructive criticism and destructive insults isn't fine. Anyone who can't tell when they cross that line might wisely consider either hiring a spokesperson or getting out of a trade that depends so much on delicate egos.

I don't believe I said the industry was kind. My remarks point to a lack of professionalism in communication, and a need for more of it. I know of no more delicate ego than the one models work from, and it's important to me as an artist to feed it, not degrade it.

My ego, well, people walk over it all the time.

Let go of my Ego!!
Wait thats Eggo (:--

Posted by theda: 
Since when has the modeling industry been kind and not insulting?

EXACTLY THEDA!

I am usually tiptoeing around peoples feelings... BUT I have seen so many girls walking out of auditions with tears in their eyes and sometimes wheeping because the booker told them that their thighs are too thick and won't fit into the dress, or that they don't hire plus sized models, or the face is too edgy, or the girl has a chin like a man... etc... etc...

The real life modeling business (not internet modeling) is very harsh, crude, outright insulting and bookers and agents just don't have the time to comfort every fragile soul that doesn't cut the mustard, and on busy days they may see up to a hundred girls.

I mean... I am not telling this directly to you Theda, because I know that you are an insider, I am agreeing and adding to your own statement.

Anyway, what the models often just DON'T GET is that this is a business... it's not about doing a romantic Playboy style shot... it's about selling product in the market place.

The professional models can take even harsh rejection and walk into the NEXT AGENCY, who might have a client that is exactly looking for someone that has the features that were rejected at the previous agency.

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 
How about, "The curvature of your bossoms and the delicate arch of your buttocks, how they silhouette against the landscape with the sun setting remind me of the time I was roaming the countryside in Ithaca communing with the pollen fairies. It was spectacular!"

Can't beat that one!  lol

Thank you kind Sir.

Posted by Lady Atropos: 
Its okay for a photographer or other trained eyes to post HELPFUL comments.... but idiots posting random hate and other tactless comments stink

I agree. How are we as models and photographers supposed to improve when all we get is insults?

Posted by Lady Atropos: 
Its okay for a photographer or other trained eyes to post HELPFUL comments.... but idiots posting random hate and other tactless comments stink

Yeah, I'm in need of a shower.

Posted by Udo R Photography: 
I must admit that I am lost somewhere... maybe I am just slow, but I would like to know more specifically what kind of "rude, crude and unprofessional remarks" it is talked about in this thread.

Is it a comment on a great shaped butt, where people leaving "WOW!", or "Incredible ass!"...

What is the professional version? "That lighting how it enhances our feminine shape... wow... that was well done, do you know what brand of light kit the photographer used?"

I am really wondering... what are those comments... and, BTW, if a female model has a great picture that really gets my attention, I may commend her exactly on even the physical bodypart in question.

If that is deemed unprofessional and offensive, please let me know, because I must be too much of a knuckledragging troglodite to say the professional thing then.

Please help!

Posted by theda: 
I don't have any snide comments. I feel so unloved.  I suggest comments be limited to constructive criticism, but just because I suggest it, doesn't mean it will ever happen.

I keep posting them about you but Hana(my dog for those not in the know) keeps on pulling the plug before I can send them.


But I have a question about this thread.  I Ass-U-Me that we are discussing unsolicited comments for If someone asks for a critique then sometimes brutal honesty is warrented.

But I would never say bad things (well almost never never) about someone out of the blue.

I agree with Udo R. 

And to quote the 80's band Ebn-Ozn from the song AEIOU sometimes Y.  There are over 178 parent languages on the planet with over 1000 dialects,  it is amazing that we comminicate at all.

What is rude to someone is just fine to someone else.  A wow on one site might be fine but on another then it might be rude.   Personally I do not think Hot is that bad but I doubt I would use it. 

But as Venus wrote,  you are able to delete such messages so just go on with life.  Sometimes people need to hear what is turning off SOME people or turning on.  Just me but if a model has mostly nudes then maybe the language might be a slight bit lose.  I am not condoning flat out rude and crude but what might be rude to you might not be to someone else.

I was once yelled at by a Feminasty on the street because I referred to my two dogs as "Girls".  Holy hopping snot,  It actually took me time to understand what she was yelling at.
I have taken many classes with the feminist perspective front and center so I do not think I am totally ignorant to the desire to choose how you are referred to.  But my own dogs!!!!!  I have to call them Women now.  Come women.
Good woman.  Stop barking, woman of great integrity and value in this world.

There is a great book that I recommend to all,  sorry not sure of the author,  there were two actually. 

One is "That is not what I meant".  It is a view how different cultures and societies even within America speak differently and words often mean different things to different people.

Again to post unsolicited comments on a page is rude,  I believe.  But if someone asks for a critique,  especially if they wish to be a land based agencies model and has web cam shots and is 1 foot 5 inces tall(yes,  on omp there is one).
Well then let the truth hit the fan for the model WILL hear worse.

Some of you may not agree with me,  and that is sort of my point.

Stop barking, woman of great integrity and value in this world.

Okay, I can't stop laughing at this.

Posted by marksora: 
I was once yelled at by a Feminasty on the street because I referred to my two dogs as "Girls".  Holy hopping snot,  It actually took me time to understand what she was yelling at.
I have taken many classes with the feminist perspective front and center so I do not think I am totally ignorant to the desire to choose how you are referred to.  But my own dogs!!!!!  I have to call them Women now.  Come women.
Good woman.  Stop barking, woman of great integrity and value in this world.

I call my cats girls. They're under 18. Aren't your dogs under 18? Or do we have to adjust for dog years?

Posted by marksora: 
Again to post unsolicited comments on a page is rude,  I believe.  But if someone asks for a critique, especially if they wish to be a land based agencies model and has web cam shots and is 1 foot 5 inces tall(yes,  on omp there is one).
Well then let the truth hit the fan for the model WILL hear worse.

Isn't posting your work etc. on a website with a comments feature an implied request for comments?

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by Eric Jackson: 
I'ts disturbing to see photographers making rude, unprofessional comments about a models physical attributes. 

If a girl is showing off her boobies or her butt cheeks are hanging out of her shorts, what do you expect us to say?  Nice shoes?

How about, nice personality?  I would love to work with you!

Heh heh heh... Your models have really nice shoes.  Hey, wait a second; I don't see any shoes!  but I do see some...

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by Lady Atropos: 
Its okay for a photographer or other trained eyes to post HELPFUL comments.... but idiots posting random hate and other tactless comments stink

Yeah, I'm in need of a shower.

::::Reese watches VisualMindscapes hovering in the shower:::

"...can't get the dirty off," he cries...

Posted by marksora: 

Posted by theda: 
I don't have any snide comments. I feel so unloved.  I suggest comments be limited to constructive criticism, but just because I suggest it, doesn't mean it will ever happen.

I was once yelled at by a Feminasty on...

:::Reese scribbles "Feminasty" into her NEW WORDS notebook - then gives MarkSora 8 kudo points on his tally score sheet:::

[b]I call my cats girls. They're under 18. Aren't your dogs under 18? Or do we have to adjust for dog years?

Do you allow your cats to be photographed naked?

Posted by AstraDivaJ: 

I call my cats girls. They're under 18. Aren't your dogs under 18? Or do we have to adjust for dog years?

Do you allow your cats to be photographed naked?

All the time. In fact, I never allow them to wear clothes.


See? Not a stitch on them.

Posted By Scott Johnson:
I think commenting on the female form in a professional manner is fine, coming right out and talking about their breasts and butt are quite another. It just makes the photog. cheap and sleezy.

So, saying, "You have really incredible eyes" or "I really love your complexion" is acceptable but "You have fantastic breasts" is crude?

Well, that's just repressed puritanical hogwash. Malarkey and bologna, say I!

If complimenting eyes is okay, then it's perfectly okay to come right out and compliment breasts and butts too. They're just body parts. Why are erogenous zones unmentionable?

One might say it is juvenile to make such comments. But I think it's the opposite. It is a childish mentality to be afraid to verbalize an appreciation for the beauty of human sexuality.

Posted by theda: 

Posted by AstraDivaJ: 

I call my cats girls. They're under 18. Aren't your dogs under 18? Or do we have to adjust for dog years?

Do you allow your cats to be photographed naked?

All the time. In fact, I never allow them to wear clothes.


See? Not a stitch on them.

So would this be considered Kitty Porn? LOL! Couldn't resist.

Posted by theda: 

All the time. In fact, I never allow them to wear clothes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/ … owsill.jpg

See? Not a stitch on them.

That's some hairy pussy!


OH... good one, Alexandra!

Posted by theda: 

Posted by AstraDivaJ: 

I call my cats girls. They're under 18. Aren't your dogs under 18? Or do we have to adjust for dog years?

Do you allow your cats to be photographed naked?

All the time. In fact, I never allow them to wear clothes.


See? Not a stitch on them.

Wondering what that "thing" is at the bottom of the photo. It looks like a...like a...a microphone! What'd you think I was gonna say? Dil_ _? *grin*

Posted by Scott Johnson: 
I think overtly rude comments are wrong. This isn't a nightclub where you try and pick up chicks.

I also get tierd of certain photogs. "bashing" other photogs., although I know it won't stop until those doing the "bashing" are kicked off this site.

it seems like thats like the in-thing these days with photographers, almost like they think it makes them that much more "popular" or boosts their inner ego, because most of the people who are doing it have a bad retention rate with their clients or can barely get new clients at all.

you also have some photographers who have camera's in their possession to help support their hormone habit. sad, but true, i know it's almost the norm here in NYC.

Posted by theda: 

Posted by AstraDivaJ: 

I call my cats girls. They're under 18. Aren't your dogs under 18? Or do we have to adjust for dog years?

Do you allow your cats to be photographed naked?

All the time. In fact, I never allow them to wear clothes.


See? Not a stitch on them.

Well REALLY!!
This is absolutely disgusting!
2 naked pussies touching each other...

Posted by Jing: 
Personally I think that being brutally honest is a good way to go
It develops a thick skin and it forces you to choose whether to believe in yourself or just skimper around and complain when someone makes a remark you don't like to hear

The thing people forget (if they ever knew it in the first place) is that there is a difference between being honest and being an asshole.  A lot of assholes hide behind "I'm just being honest", while those that are honest and polite never find it necessary to hide behind justification.

Posted by LarryB: 

Posted by Jing: 
Personally I think that being brutally honest is a good way to go
It develops a thick skin and it forces you to choose whether to believe in yourself or just skimper around and complain when someone makes a remark you don't like to hear

The thing people forget (if they ever knew it in the first place) is that there is a difference between being honest and being an asshole.  A lot of assholes hide behind "I'm just being honest", while those that are honest and polite never find it necessary to hide behind justification.

Posted by Reese: 
Okay... let me get this right, one can (and no I am not picking an internet forum fight), say "naked pussies" referring to cats and knowing that one is making commentary that is indeed sexually suggestive (a pun if one will) this is okay... but one may not say, nice tits, or ass to a person...  Is it okay to say nice tits to a cow, or ass to a mule? Really, I ask, who gets to draw the line? Is it not interesting that one may be "vulgar" in one way - but not in another - who gets to decide ?

::::Reese whips out "Vote for Reese Censor Czar" sign and starts handing out buttons::::

raises hand..."I do"....its me..i get to choose