Marcia DeFiore wrote:
Underage Model: Hey let's shoot.

OP: Okay.

Underage Model's Mother: Hey you suck.

OP: I hate underage models.



It doesn't follow. . .

Giggles

photiesto wrote:
.... all attempt to follow up and see what her intentions are....

GAETANO CATELLI STUDIOS wrote:
you're kidding, right?

More gigglings

JSmith - Photographer wrote:
No one under 18. PERIOD. No time for headaches.

Uh oh, a "No TFH" thread looms....

d30john wrote:

Living in California, I envy  you for this.

I envy 'em too. Living in MA, we're no better than you shmucks out west when it comes to crappy courts.

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
I have had the exact same problems with models over 18.  I don't understand what the model's age has to do with any of this.

Parents may still have influence, but not legal authority, over models that are 18 or over.

Of course the model has the right to do as mommy or daddy ask at any age.

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
I have had the exact same problems with models over 18.  I don't understand what the model's age has to do with any of this.

Agreed. It's the Chewbacca defense - make up enough nonsense and our brains will shut down

Queens Pictures wrote:
In the age of folks setting people up on the internet and NBC, I would never have reached out to the 17 year old about shooting without FIRST speaking to the parent....i dont understand your judgement

Ummm NBC is setting up child predators.....
Not photographer looking to shoot a few innocent photos.
And she reached out to him... Not the other way around.

you logic does not follow.

Chris Macan wrote:

Ummm NBC is setting up child predators.....
Not photographer looking to shoot a few innocent photos.
And she reached out to him... Not the other way around.

you logic does not follow.

Don't be silly.  Logic has no place here. It's selective reading at its finest.

photiesto wrote:
Despite what I said earlier, i feel compelled to ask... Are you stupid?

In many ways I am.  But, I would have enough common sense to FIRST ask an UNDERAGE model's parent for permission to take their child on a trip with strangers.

photiesto wrote:
Honest to Christ, you either have to be completely and TOTALLY devoid of anything resembling intelligence, or just completely incapable of reading a sentence and figuring out it's meaning.

So, for the last time, in little words and sentences so that you can understand:

Photographer (me) puts out a call, looking for models.

Woman answers call. Wants to pose.

Arrangements are made, details set forth, date is set, shoot is planned.

Here you left out the fact that you knew she was UNDERAGE.  How convenient.

photiesto wrote:
While driving TO shoot, model calls. Turns out, she's still living with her mother - a fact she left out - and her mother wants to meet with me. I agree, without hesitation.

As far as I know, MAJORITY of 17 years old DO live with their parents.  I find it's very cowardly of you trying to shift blame on the model for not telling you she lives at home. This model must be pretty hot, seeing you don't want to risk facing her parents and rejection.  Your excuse of you being independent when you were 16 doesn't fly in my book. She is still an UNDERAGE

photiesto wrote:
At that point, I do everything within my power - when other photographers wouldn't - to make mom happy.

Having that particular model for my shoot didn't pan out. So she was replaced.

End of story.

Now.. I know you're probably too stupid to actually COMPREHEND (that means "understand") what the situation was, but I don't - and never have - felt it necessary to ask every model that comes across my path if I can talk to her mommy before we go off to shoot, so it's actually laughable that you continue to beat the "you should have asked her mommy first" drum, despite having the situation explained to you several times by myself and others.

It's amusing, in a sad sort of way, that the only argument you're able to make is that I somehow tried to maliciously circumvent the mother for the purpose of shooting an underage girl. It's almost as though this scenario excites you somehow, because despite being told CLEARLY that that isn't what happened... you continue to claim that it's exactly what happened.

I never suggest to ask every model's parent(s) permission.  Only those who are UNDERAGE.  Others are suggesting the same too.  Once again you're are trying to skew the argument

photiesto wrote:
Obviously, you're a moron, big words confuse you, and if the context and spelling of your own posts are any indication, you're not terribly educated, which might explain why it is that you just can't grasp what has been explained to you multiple times.

Yawn, sticks and stones...  Everyone knows its easy to name calling while hiding behind the computer screen. Your cheap insults doesn't phase me.  BTW I see you have typos too.  ROTFL. I am enjoying your showing of true colors to the group.

photiesto wrote:
So, recently, I was traveling 300+ miles away from my hometown to shoot in the mountains, and decided to check out a few model ports in hopes of finding someone available to shoot with. After contacting several models, i was in turn contacted by a 17 year old (who was turning 18 within a month or so) who was interested in being part of the shoot which did NOT involve nudity of any kind.

So, the arrangements were made, and I left a day early with the intent of meeting the model, having her look over my portfolio, letting her know what was involved in the project, etc. Halfway from my home the her hometown (the shoot location was another hours' drive past her hometown) my cell rings, and it's her. She's telling me she has to cancel, because of her mother who had apparently decided t was my intention to kidnap her daughter and do horrid things to her.

So, I kind of get on the defensive, and calmly, I explain the fact that I'm married, have kids, my wife works for the catholic school board, gave her my credentials, work history, previous and current employers, etc - I even went so far as to have the models mother contact my parents who live in the same town as her. After half an hour on the phone, I hang up, and fume for a bit.

A few minutes later, the phone rings again, and it's her, telling me her mother wants a sit down and a face to face meet. Not a problem, so we arrange a meet on the south end of town. So, in marches her and her mother, and her mother makes it absolutely clear from the word GO that she is NOT a friendly person. She is cold, hostile, and non-conversational and I spend the next hour defending myself from all her "red flag" accusations. IE: why my home phone number isn't listed in the phone book (My home phone is VIOP) etc.

So, after all of that, they leave, and I sit there, pissed off, feeling like a jerk that just had to prove himself as someone who is NOT a GWC. What pisses me off the most is that I put out an ad for a model, the girl answered the ad AS a model, and then I had to sit there and defend my intentions as though I'd sought out HER. All arrangements were made long before the shoot was to take place, and of this stuff took place last minute on my way to meet the model.. Not to mention that there was other photographers at the shoot, other models, and it was a well chaperoned event. (I even had another photographer from the shoot come to the meeting to confirm everything I'd told them)

Add to all, the girl looks to be at LEAST 24, works full time in a law firm, has her own car, has a port full of work from previous shoots, and is mature well beyond her years and seemed to be well in control of her own modeling career.

As of now, I have yet to hear back from the model, who said (even at the meeting with her mother) that she was still interested in shooting, and would like me to keep her in mind for future projects and what not, has blown me off in all attempt to follow up and see what her intentions are.. (I just got a "I'm taking a hiatus" copout)

So, moral of the story?

At all costs, avoid working with underage models, no matter what her circumstances might be. It was a huge, monumental waste of my time, money and effort. I will never, ever, ever - under any circumstances, even feign interest in working with someone underage again, period.

The moral of the story is you don't make plans to meet up with underage girls to discuss photo shoots without her parents.  or a guardian. or an agent. 

seriously, how pissed off would you have been if your teenage daughter was going to meet up with a grown male photographer she met on the internet!!!????

your rant makes you sound defensive and kinda like a gwc.   there is nothing wrong with working with underage models.  i don't do it often and i don't prefer it, but i have never met or shot with an underage model without them being accompanied by a parent or guardian. 

it's just common sense.

photiesto wrote:

No, actually, because what I failed to mention in my rant was that she (the model) made all appearances of being pissed off/annoyed at the interference her mother was running. She told me she was fed up with her mother Micro-managing her modeling, that she was moving in with room-mates at the end of the week, etc. she made it sound like she had no choice to do as her mother dictated, but would be moving out soon..

*shrug*

She was one of those women who was very photogenic, beautiful, and most of all, was willing to do whatever it took to get the shot. IE, if you asked her to stand barefoot in a knee-deep creek in February, she would. Considering that the shoot before that was a bunch of princesses whining about their hair getting messed up in the wind, I was quite eager to have a model who could take direction and was willing to be uncomfortable for a few minutes in order to get the shot.

dude. what is wrong with you?  she is 17.  and i gotta say, you're sounding pretty creepy...

photiesto wrote:

You fail to see the point.

she made it clear that she was 17 from the get go, yes, but she also told me she was living with her boyfriend, and that the biggest concern was getting time off work, and getting her boyfriend to be ok with it. (He was also set to be an escort, as indicated in her profile - her boyfriend attended all shoots, and actually had a reputation for being extremely helpful and not interfering with shoots)

so, yeah. It might amaze you, but around here, alot of people are out of the nest, on their own and making their own way long before their 18th birthdays. Myself included. I was renting an apartment with roomates/friends before I was 16. And believe me, my parents had absolutely NO say whatsoever about what I did with my life at that point.

yo! my, man!  she is 17!!!!!!  a minor!!!!

d30john wrote:
OK I will tell you of a story what actually happen to my good friend.  She is a 67 years old gramma.  One day while at the community pool with her grand son, who is 10 years old, she saw another girl with a cute hat, so she took a picture.  The next day at the same pool she approach the little girl mother with the print as a gift, saying you daughter was so adorable yesterday so I thought it would be nice to take the photo for you.  Well two days later a sheriff was at her house with paper and notice that she is being sue.  My friends family lawyer immediately suggest for her to settle cause it will cost her more in court.  End the end her act of kindness costed her $7000.

yea cause we all know a 67 y/o woman is taking pics of lil kids for illicit reasons
how much you wanna bet she was sued just b/c the girl's mother saw an opportunity to screw someone out of money?!

Nick Zantop wrote:
I'm shooting with a 17 year old model on Thursday.

This struck me in a creepy kinda way...no offense. LMFAO

photiesto wrote:
So, recently, I was traveling 300+ miles away from my hometown to shoot in the mountains, and decided to check out a few model ports in hopes of finding someone available to shoot with. After contacting several models, i was in turn contacted by a 17 year old (who was turning 18 within a month or so) who was interested in being part of the shoot which did NOT involve nudity of any kind.

So, the arrangements were made, and I left a day early with the intent of meeting the model, having her look over my portfolio, letting her know what was involved in the project, etc. Halfway from my home the her hometown (the shoot location was another hours' drive past her hometown) my cell rings, and it's her. She's telling me she has to cancel, because of her mother who had apparently decided t was my intention to kidnap her daughter and do horrid things to her.

So, I kind of get on the defensive, and calmly, I explain the fact that I'm married, have kids, my wife works for the catholic school board, gave her my credentials, work history, previous and current employers, etc - I even went so far as to have the models mother contact my parents who live in the same town as her. After half an hour on the phone, I hang up, and fume for a bit.

A few minutes later, the phone rings again, and it's her, telling me her mother wants a sit down and a face to face meet. Not a problem, so we arrange a meet on the south end of town. So, in marches her and her mother, and her mother makes it absolutely clear from the word GO that she is NOT a friendly person. She is cold, hostile, and non-conversational and I spend the next hour defending myself from all her "red flag" accusations. IE: why my home phone number isn't listed in the phone book (My home phone is VIOP) etc.

So, after all of that, they leave, and I sit there, pissed off, feeling like a jerk that just had to prove himself as someone who is NOT a GWC. What pisses me off the most is that I put out an ad for a model, the girl answered the ad AS a model, and then I had to sit there and defend my intentions as though I'd sought out HER. All arrangements were made long before the shoot was to take place, and of this stuff took place last minute on my way to meet the model.. Not to mention that there was other photographers at the shoot, other models, and it was a well chaperoned event. (I even had another photographer from the shoot come to the meeting to confirm everything I'd told them)

Add to all, the girl looks to be at LEAST 24, works full time in a law firm, has her own car, has a port full of work from previous shoots, and is mature well beyond her years and seemed to be well in control of her own modeling career.

As of now, I have yet to hear back from the model, who said (even at the meeting with her mother) that she was still interested in shooting, and would like me to keep her in mind for future projects and what not, has blown me off in all attempt to follow up and see what her intentions are.. (I just got a "I'm taking a hiatus" copout)

So, moral of the story?

At all costs, avoid working with underage models, no matter what her circumstances might be. It was a huge, monumental waste of my time, money and effort. I will never, ever, ever - under any circumstances, even feign interest in working with someone underage again, period.

Holy crap that sucks!
she's an idiot

photiesto wrote:

Despite what I said earlier, i feel compelled to ask... Are you stupid?

Honest to Christ, you either have to be completely and TOTALLY devoid of anything resembling intelligence, or just completely incapable of reading a sentence and figuring out it's meaning.

So, for the last time, in little words and sentences so that you can understand:

Photographer (me) puts out a call, looking for models.

Woman answers call. Wants to pose.

Arrangements are made, details set forth, date is set, shoot is planned.

While driving TO shoot, model calls. Turns out, she's still living with her mother - a fact she left out - and her mother wants to meet with me. I agree, without hesitation.

At that point, I do everything within my power - when other photographers wouldn't - to make mom happy.

Having that particular model for my shoot didn't pan out. So she was replaced.

End of story.

Now.. I know you're probably too stupid to actually COMPREHEND (that means "understand") what the situation was, but I don't - and never have - felt it necessary to ask every model that comes across my path if I can talk to her mommy before we go off to shoot, so it's actually laughable that you continue to beat the "you should have asked her mommy first" drum, despite having the situation explained to you several times by myself and others.

It's amusing, in a sad sort of way, that the only argument you're able to make is that I somehow tried to maliciously circumvent the mother for the purpose of shooting an underage girl. It's almost as though this scenario excites you somehow, because despite being told CLEARLY that that isn't what happened... you continue to claim that it's exactly what happened.

Obviously, you're a moron, big words confuse you, and if the context and spelling of your own posts are any indication, you're not terribly educated, which might explain why it is that you just can't grasp what has been explained to you multiple times.

Before you attack another individual's intelligence or talent, you should first fairly assess your own.  While certainly not excluding myself from the argument, I'd venture to say that neither of you possess any real photographic talent -- or at least in the way of a variance of noticeable degree from one another. 

Honestly, I view both of both of you as being blatant 'tards.   

I mean, seriously, if you're working with an underage model, speak with the parent first.  Simple as that, you brought this upon yourself, shut the fuck up.

canto iv wrote:
Before you attack another individual's intelligence or talent, you should first fairly assess your own.  While certainly not excluding myself from the argument, I'd venture to say that neither of you possess any real photographic talent -- or at least in the way of a variance of noticeable degree from one another. 

Honestly, I view both of both of you as being blatant 'tards.   

I mean, seriously, if you're working with an underage model, speak with the parent first.  Simple as that, you brought this upon yourself, shut the fuck up.

Considering the source, I'm not going to lose too much sleep over your comments, really. I had a look at your port, nothing earth shatteringly spectacular. Not saying mine is either, but then - I've only been shooting for a couple years and do it primarily for fun.

photiesto wrote:
So, recently, I was traveling 300+ miles away from my hometown to shoot in the mountains, and decided to check out a few model ports in hopes of finding someone available to shoot with. After contacting several models, i was in turn contacted by a 17 year old (who was turning 18 within a month or so) who was interested in being part of the shoot which did NOT involve nudity of any kind.

So, the arrangements were made, and I left a day early with the intent of meeting the model, having her look over my portfolio, letting her know what was involved in the project, etc. Halfway from my home the her hometown (the shoot location was another hours' drive past her hometown) my cell rings, and it's her. She's telling me she has to cancel, because of her mother who had apparently decided t was my intention to kidnap her daughter and do horrid things to her.

So, I kind of get on the defensive, and calmly, I explain the fact that I'm married, have kids, my wife works for the catholic school board, gave her my credentials, work history, previous and current employers, etc - I even went so far as to have the models mother contact my parents who live in the same town as her. After half an hour on the phone, I hang up, and fume for a bit.

A few minutes later, the phone rings again, and it's her, telling me her mother wants a sit down and a face to face meet. Not a problem, so we arrange a meet on the south end of town. So, in marches her and her mother, and her mother makes it absolutely clear from the word GO that she is NOT a friendly person. She is cold, hostile, and non-conversational and I spend the next hour defending myself from all her "red flag" accusations. IE: why my home phone number isn't listed in the phone book (My home phone is VIOP) etc.

So, after all of that, they leave, and I sit there, pissed off, feeling like a jerk that just had to prove himself as someone who is NOT a GWC. What pisses me off the most is that I put out an ad for a model, the girl answered the ad AS a model, and then I had to sit there and defend my intentions as though I'd sought out HER. All arrangements were made long before the shoot was to take place, and of this stuff took place last minute on my way to meet the model.. Not to mention that there was other photographers at the shoot, other models, and it was a well chaperoned event. (I even had another photographer from the shoot come to the meeting to confirm everything I'd told them)

Add to all, the girl looks to be at LEAST 24, works full time in a law firm, has her own car, has a port full of work from previous shoots, and is mature well beyond her years and seemed to be well in control of her own modeling career.

As of now, I have yet to hear back from the model, who said (even at the meeting with her mother) that she was still interested in shooting, and would like me to keep her in mind for future projects and what not, has blown me off in all attempt to follow up and see what her intentions are.. (I just got a "I'm taking a hiatus" copout)

So, moral of the story?

At all costs, avoid working with underage models, no matter what her circumstances might be. It was a huge, monumental waste of my time, money and effort. I will never, ever, ever - under any circumstances, even feign interest in working with someone underage again, period.

I am sorry that that was your one and only (it seems) experience working with underage models. 

I have worked with more than a few models who were under 18 and they have helped me produce images I am truly happy with.  They more than made up for their lack of experience with their freshness and enthusiasm! 

Also, most of their parents have also been lovely to meet and quite helpful.

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

photiesto wrote:
No, actually, because what I failed to mention in my rant was that she (the model) made all appearances of being pissed off/annoyed at the interference her mother was running. She told me she was fed up with her mother Micro-managing her modeling, that she was moving in with room-mates at the end of the week, etc. she made it sound like she had no choice to do as her mother dictated, but would be moving out soon..

*shrug*

She was one of those women who was very photogenic, beautiful, and most of all, was willing to do whatever it took to get the shot. IE, if you asked her to stand barefoot in a knee-deep creek in February, she would. Considering that the shoot before that was a bunch of princesses whining about their hair getting messed up in the wind, I was quite eager to have a model who could take direction and was willing to be uncomfortable for a few minutes in order to get the shot.

Dan Lippitt wrote:
dude. what is wrong with you?  she is 17.  and i gotta say, you're sounding pretty creepy...

This is the most hypocritical bu//$h!+ I have ever heard from someone with a young boy in HIS own portfolio!: 



When do you think fashion models get started - at the age of 21???

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

photiesto wrote:
So, recently, I was traveling 300+ miles away from my hometown to shoot in the mountains, and decided to check out a few model ports in hopes of finding someone available to shoot with. After contacting several models, i was in turn contacted by a 17 year old (who was turning 18 within a month or so) who was interested in being part of the shoot which did NOT involve nudity of any kind.

So, the arrangements were made, and I left a day early with the intent of meeting the model, having her look over my portfolio, letting her know what was involved in the project, etc. Halfway from my home the her hometown (the shoot location was another hours' drive past her hometown) my cell rings, and it's her. She's telling me she has to cancel, because of her mother who had apparently decided t was my intention to kidnap her daughter and do horrid things to her.

So, I kind of get on the defensive, and calmly, I explain the fact that I'm married, have kids, my wife works for the catholic school board, gave her my credentials, work history, previous and current employers, etc - I even went so far as to have the models mother contact my parents who live in the same town as her. After half an hour on the phone, I hang up, and fume for a bit.

A few minutes later, the phone rings again, and it's her, telling me her mother wants a sit down and a face to face meet. Not a problem, so we arrange a meet on the south end of town. So, in marches her and her mother, and her mother makes it absolutely clear from the word GO that she is NOT a friendly person. She is cold, hostile, and non-conversational and I spend the next hour defending myself from all her "red flag" accusations. IE: why my home phone number isn't listed in the phone book (My home phone is VIOP) etc.

So, after all of that, they leave, and I sit there, pissed off, feeling like a jerk that just had to prove himself as someone who is NOT a GWC. What pisses me off the most is that I put out an ad for a model, the girl answered the ad AS a model, and then I had to sit there and defend my intentions as though I'd sought out HER. All arrangements were made long before the shoot was to take place, and of this stuff took place last minute on my way to meet the model.. Not to mention that there was other photographers at the shoot, other models, and it was a well chaperoned event. (I even had another photographer from the shoot come to the meeting to confirm everything I'd told them)

Add to all, the girl looks to be at LEAST 24, works full time in a law firm, has her own car, has a port full of work from previous shoots, and is mature well beyond her years and seemed to be well in control of her own modeling career.

As of now, I have yet to hear back from the model, who said (even at the meeting with her mother) that she was still interested in shooting, and would like me to keep her in mind for future projects and what not, has blown me off in all attempt to follow up and see what her intentions are.. (I just got a "I'm taking a hiatus" copout)

So, moral of the story?

At all costs, avoid working with underage models, no matter what her circumstances might be. It was a huge, monumental waste of my time, money and effort. I will never, ever, ever - under any circumstances, even feign interest in working with someone underage again, period.

well if it counts, my moms never done such.. nor have i ever bailed :]

photiesto wrote:
So, recently, I was traveling 300+ miles away from my hometown to shoot in the mountains, and decided to check out a few model ports in hopes of finding someone available to shoot with. After contacting several models, i was in turn contacted by a 17 year old (who was turning 18 within a month or so) who was interested in being part of the shoot which did NOT involve nudity of any kind.

So, the arrangements were made, and I left a day early with the intent of meeting the model, having her look over my portfolio, letting her know what was involved in the project, etc. Halfway from my home the her hometown (the shoot location was another hours' drive past her hometown) my cell rings, and it's her. She's telling me she has to cancel, because of her mother who had apparently decided t was my intention to kidnap her daughter and do horrid things to her.

So, I kind of get on the defensive, and calmly, I explain the fact that I'm married, have kids, my wife works for the catholic school board, gave her my credentials, work history, previous and current employers, etc - I even went so far as to have the models mother contact my parents who live in the same town as her. After half an hour on the phone, I hang up, and fume for a bit.

A few minutes later, the phone rings again, and it's her, telling me her mother wants a sit down and a face to face meet. Not a problem, so we arrange a meet on the south end of town. So, in marches her and her mother, and her mother makes it absolutely clear from the word GO that she is NOT a friendly person. She is cold, hostile, and non-conversational and I spend the next hour defending myself from all her "red flag" accusations. IE: why my home phone number isn't listed in the phone book (My home phone is VIOP) etc.

So, after all of that, they leave, and I sit there, pissed off, feeling like a jerk that just had to prove himself as someone who is NOT a GWC. What pisses me off the most is that I put out an ad for a model, the girl answered the ad AS a model, and then I had to sit there and defend my intentions as though I'd sought out HER. All arrangements were made long before the shoot was to take place, and of this stuff took place last minute on my way to meet the model.. Not to mention that there was other photographers at the shoot, other models, and it was a well chaperoned event. (I even had another photographer from the shoot come to the meeting to confirm everything I'd told them)

Add to all, the girl looks to be at LEAST 24, works full time in a law firm, has her own car, has a port full of work from previous shoots, and is mature well beyond her years and seemed to be well in control of her own modeling career.

As of now, I have yet to hear back from the model, who said (even at the meeting with her mother) that she was still interested in shooting, and would like me to keep her in mind for future projects and what not, has blown me off in all attempt to follow up and see what her intentions are.. (I just got a "I'm taking a hiatus" copout)

So, moral of the story?

At all costs, avoid working with underage models, no matter what her circumstances might be. It was a huge, monumental waste of my time, money and effort. I will never, ever, ever - under any circumstances, even feign interest in working with someone underage again, period.

This isn't attack on you but when she canceled that would have been enough for
me.  I'm too old and tired to try and convince someone I'm a decent guy
and give them my parents numbers, ummm, no.  You lost points in her eyes
when you started trying to convince her you were safe.  You then went from
photographer she wanted to shoot with to possible creepy photographer who seems desperate.

Recently a model who contacted me started asking me what types of cameras
I used to shoot with.  I asked her did she know about photography or did
someone tell her to ask this.  I ended our conversation.  I do understand your
feelings.  She's 17 so you wanted mom to know you are a decent guy and a
legit photographer but when you felt that funky vibe cut your losses.

d30john wrote:
So why didn't you check with her mom 1st before driving nearly 300 miles.  You knew she was underage. Teehee.

I think Canada is slightly different on who qualifies as an adult and who lives outside of the household... the 17 year old could have easily been living on her own, hence why the photographer didn't originally assume she was living with the parentals.

Oh, and I'm still free... no arrests yet

JAY carreon wrote:

photiesto wrote:
No, actually, because what I failed to mention in my rant was that she (the model) made all appearances of being pissed off/annoyed at the interference her mother was running. She told me she was fed up with her mother Micro-managing her modeling, that she was moving in with room-mates at the end of the week, etc. she made it sound like she had no choice to do as her mother dictated, but would be moving out soon..

*shrug*

She was one of those women who was very photogenic, beautiful, and most of all, was willing to do whatever it took to get the shot. IE, if you asked her to stand barefoot in a knee-deep creek in February, she would. Considering that the shoot before that was a bunch of princesses whining about their hair getting messed up in the wind, I was quite eager to have a model who could take direction and was willing to be uncomfortable for a few minutes in order to get the shot.

This is the most hypocritical bu//$h!+ I have ever heard from someone with a young boy in HIS own portfolio!: 



When do you think fashion models get started - at the age of 21???

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

Jay, you didn't read what i wrote or understand it.  i have no problems working with underage models.  i have a problem with people who try to go about it the wrong way and then complain when people act in a reasonable and expected manner.

also, the shot you picked out is not a model.  it's a ring bearer at a wedding.

Dan Lippitt wrote:

Jay, you didn't read what i wrote or understand it.  i have no problems working with underage models.  i have a problem with people who try to go about it the wrong way and then complain when people act in a reasonable and expected manner.

also, the shot you picked out is not a model.  it's a ring bearer at a wedding.

Well then you need to make that clear.  You made it sound like working with underage models was the "kiss of death".

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

P.S.  If someone poses in front of your lens, they are a model.

Dan Lippitt wrote:
dude. what is wrong with you?  she is 17.  and i gotta say, you're sounding pretty creepy...

And she will be 18 in a month,
Will it be "less" creepy for him to work with her then?

And I got to say you are sounding pretty high and mighty.
(read preachy with guilty overtones)