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How long do you make a model wait before you send the edited pics to them? This person is not on mm, but the pictures I have (unedited) are missing over 100 hundred shots. (the photog. said he would look for them) and the agreement was i picked 50 out of 360. Now it is pick 10. Which is ok but that wasn't the agreement. but I said that's fine but try to find the rest of the pictures. I received a response saying that he would find them and that was a month ago. the shoot was almost 2 months ago. He stresses not to post the unedited ones. what is the max amount amount of time a photog. should deliver the goods...lol Nov 06 05 05:08 pm Link Depends on the agreement. Also unless the release you signed specifically says he will supply them in a certain amount of time, it is a lost cause. He can take years or decades if he wants. As for how long I take. I start editing no later than the next day and I send the models small versions of edited shots now and then through email as I edit them to let them see without having to wait until they are all finished. The longest it ever took me was about a month and a half with about 200 images. The only reason it took that long is I had to seek a different full time job with immediately pushed me into 12-15 hour days ,7 days a week,for 3 weeks straight.Usually it takes me a couple of weeks maximum. Too bad for him that he is doing this, though. He is ruining his chances to work again with who I think is a great model with a great look. Nov 06 05 05:13 pm Link Definately many variables there. What was the agreement? How extensive is the editing? Photog workload., etc. Regardless however of any of those, the photographer should not make an agreement he/she cannot or will not honor. If no agreement is made for delivery, it helps if the model is little patient. If there is no urgent need for the delivery, it is much better to have a good product than a rushed product. All that to say, "it depends" Nov 06 05 05:18 pm Link In my mind there's no excuse for not getting the images to the model (all of them that were promised) within 7-10 days. Nov 06 05 05:21 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: thank you very much. Nov 06 05 05:21 pm Link Carlton Primm wrote: i agree! Nov 06 05 05:25 pm Link EyeOnYouModels wrote: that's how long it usually takes. Nov 06 05 05:26 pm Link CHIAN wrote: This does not mean that they get all 200 in their final package. I work on the ones I think came out the best then we go through and I see which ones she likes and she usually ends up with between 10-20 images, more depending on if it was TFCD or if I was paid,etc. Nov 06 05 05:30 pm Link EyeOnYouModels wrote: Some of us have full time jobs on top of our photography Nov 06 05 05:30 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: lol.. ok that sounds better Nov 06 05 05:38 pm Link CHIAN wrote: 50 is a lot of pictures. What are you going to do with that many? Usually 2 or 3 per outfit is all you need, and you're only going to post one per outfit. Nov 06 05 05:52 pm Link Paul Ferrara wrote: Nov 06 05 06:06 pm Link I'm wondering how long your session was and how many wardrobe changes? I realize you want to pick yourself but what I like to do is create a web gallery in PS and then let the model pick maybe 10. I can't image needing more than that unless it's a day long shoot? Nov 06 05 06:08 pm Link Paul Ferrara wrote: oh i agree Nov 06 05 06:09 pm Link Bruce Muir wrote: it was about 5 outfits 7 hr shoot. Nov 06 05 06:11 pm Link EyeOnYouModels wrote: My thoughts exactly. Nov 06 05 07:03 pm Link CHIAN wrote: lol,usually I don`t have to edit that many. That number is a combination of shots that are fine right out of the camera,and the ones I have to edit. When I first started though, I would work on everything and give the models tons. I dont do that anymore. I got too picky about what people saw of my work. Nov 06 05 07:10 pm Link There's absolutely no time limit at all if he doesn't plan on delivering them. Unfortunately that's what it sounds like to me...and he's going to "look for them"? That sounds suspicious. As a good will gesture I always have a CD in the mail within a week though finished images may take a month or more. I always communicate fully and in a timely manner and have NEVER had a compliant! Last thing...he'll probably never work with you again and that'll be his loss. Nov 06 05 07:25 pm Link i get my models the shots as fast as possible... but they might receive 4 or 5 shots a week for a couple weeks cause I'm slow. lol as far as te missing shots... maybe they just didn't come out the right way? I usually shoot 2 or 3 rolls of film per photo shoot, and I always have shots that are under-exposed, over-exposed or messed-up through development, among many other things. Of course a 10/360 fraction is a little off. But I definately think 2 months is way too long. Nov 06 05 07:28 pm Link HenryS wrote: will it it be wrong if i posted the unedited shots then? Nov 06 05 07:28 pm Link EyeOnYouModels wrote: Yeah well there's paying work too. I try for two weeks sometimes as much as a month to get them turned around. Nov 06 05 09:33 pm Link CHIAN wrote: The pics probably sucked and he doesn't want to tell you because he is embarrased... Nov 06 05 09:58 pm Link Usually I will provide a contact sheet of thumbnails within a few days. (for TFP) Then I will edit the ones the model likes. Images that I do not like (occasionally I will forget to change the settings after taking readings...old age) are not released. I do not release all images to the model (except in contact sheet) any longer. All of that stated...paid work comes first. Nov 06 05 10:47 pm Link I think it really depends. If it was a tfcd shoot and has paying clients, the tfcd shoot gets put on the back burner. That's not to say your photos aren't worth it, but bills need to be paid. There have been times where I've done a tfcd shoot, then get some commercial work and have to put the tfcd shoot on the back burner. That being said, there's no reason s/he shouldn't be in contact with you letting you know whats going on. Now if he's using the edited or even unedited pics to promote himself, then yea that's wrong. If he's not got any paying gigs, or if you paid him, then he's being a wanker. Nov 07 05 01:59 am Link mag-jr wrote: lol... yeh it was tfcd Nov 07 05 02:03 am Link CHIAN wrote: Then yea he's being a wanker Nov 07 05 02:08 am Link This is why I say anything past 10 days is rediculous.... If you're a pro or semi pro photographer, or just a guy who's a hobbyist for longer than a year. You should know what the frick you're doing by now, ESPECIALLY if you shoot digital. Your shots are supposed to be right and exact WHEN YOU TAKE THEM!!! The only time you should be spending HOURS in photoshop is if you're doing something extra special with the pic(s), not redoing your lighting or taking out skin folds and whatnot. When I hit PS, i'm adding color because that's what I lose (as well as crispness) when I transfer film to CD. 2 minutes at the most per image. If i'm wrong, shoot me. Nov 07 05 08:09 am Link It all depends on the agreement for the shoot. That should be agreed upon and specified in the release signed by both model and photographer after the shoot. I'm going to tell you what I do, but since most of the photos I take are website content photos for my pay-per-view damsel-in-distress sites, this may or may not be typical of what happens.... If I'm shooting content for my websites (which admittedly is 99% of my shooting), I will have sample photos from the shoot edited and up on the site for customers to see within a day or two, and the model can pick them up at their leisure for their portfolio. These photos mostly come from paid shoots, and the model is limited to portfolio use (and sharing with friends, I'm not too picky about it) but they won't get a copy of all of the images edited. For TFP, if the model is willing to wait about 15-20 minutes, and is ok with unedited images, she can have a CD as she walks out of the studio. I actually prefer to do that, vs. having to burn and mail a CD. I usually, for TFP, do not edit images, as most of my TFP shoots are with models who have their own sites and want to use the content we've shot as well on their sites. Nov 07 05 09:28 am Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: Ok, fair enough. But it would only be fair then to let the models know that they won't get their images for _____days/weeks/months? One should always under-promise and over-deliver. Nov 07 05 10:54 am Link My guess is that the photographer too 360 shots, but edited out many do to poor lighting/focus/expresion/blinking and so on. Then when they were questioned on it they did not want to say that many were bad or they may have forgotten about how many were edited out. In any case communication on the photographers part is a must. If it is going to take you a few days/weeks/months longer than you said let the model know and explain it. That said, paid work takes priority, but I still treat my TFP jobs as jobs (paperwork and all). Nov 07 05 12:20 pm Link Ever since I went to digital I have been able to burn a CD of all the unedited shots for the model before she leaves, if it's an outdoor shoot I ask if they (the model and escort) would like to join me for coffee and burn the CD there. I tell them to pick the ones they like and edit and fix anything then e-mail the pic back. This has worked out well for me for about a year now and seems fair for both myself and the model. Nov 07 05 12:51 pm Link 50?!!! Oh my! That's like 50-100 hours of work in Photoshop. The photog that agreed to that was an idiot... Nov 07 05 12:52 pm Link EyeOnYouModels wrote: Paying clients have full images within 10 business days. For TFCD, I quote 3 weeks up front, +/- a week, so models know what to expect before they arrive. I probably process and retouch more images than most, too. To enjoy a personal and social life and promise TFCD work in 7-10 days isn't realistic for everyone and also depends how many images were promised them, how much retouching the model needs, photographer schedule, etc. Nov 07 05 01:21 pm Link Christopher James wrote: Most photographers won't give out unedited photos. You do and that's fine, but many won't, which brings us back to the aforementioned problem Nov 07 05 01:25 pm Link Sounds like the guy under estimated his post production work. Most cases run about 2 weeks (give or take a few days). With 50 images, that's a ton of work. I'd see if you could get someone else to Photoshop the images in lieu of his time miscalculation...which is a nice way of saying he's an idiot..  Nov 07 05 01:29 pm Link Imagemakersphoto wrote: exactly. Nov 07 05 01:51 pm Link Christopher James wrote: that's how it usually goes for me too. Nov 07 05 01:55 pm Link I edit my favorites when I get home from the shoot. I email those for the model to use while she/he waits for the cd. I usually get the cd out within a couple of days and have the model email me the file names that they want edited...So they get their stuff within a week. Nov 07 05 02:12 pm Link Hi Chain, I'm going to kinda jump in on the tail end here with something I may have missed, but doesn't appear to have been covered. Why 100 missing photos. On the good side, that he's honest. 1) out of focus 2) test shots 3) strobes didn't fire 4) you were blinking 5) something exposed that shouldn't have been I try to delete them out because there's not even a chance of using them, and they don't help you with posing, etc. if you study them to learn from. On the bad side, photog withheld the best images, probably to market them somewhere either with or without your knowledge. Again, that may also depend on the release you signed. From the way the guy is acting, sounds like he may be withholding the better photos. Anyway, best wishes. Andy Nov 07 05 03:55 pm Link male-portfolios wrote: Are you KIDDING!?? So, you spend more then an hour per image in PhotoShop!? Nov 07 05 04:29 pm Link |
